ObamaCare…coming soon

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While the Dems certainly don’t need any of the opposition to get it done, would it not be in the best interests of the country to get some valid input and opinions from both sides in order to move towards something that both sides can be happy with?

Unfortunately the only thing being contributed to the discourse by the opposition is yelling, screaming, Hitler, and Grandma killing. It is certainly their right to do so, but what they are contributing besides that I haven’t quite figured out yet. Care to enlighten me?

It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something. They become an embarrassment to their own team.

[SK in CV]

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It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something.[/quote]

I have no affinity for Code Pink, but they’re hardly the same thing. Code Pink showed up with 4 or 5 women at a few dozen events over a 3 or 4 year period. And in most cases they were promptly escorted out.

What the opposition has contributed is fear. And it’s worked quite well. Death panels that don’t exist. Socialized medicine which isn’t part of the plan. Rationed care. Those lies have created fear. It’s hard to fight it when even the Republican who initiated the advance directive clause in the House plan is now running from it. Fear is effective.

[SK in CV]

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It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something.[/quote]

I have no affinity for Code Pink, but they’re hardly the same thing. Code Pink showed up with 4 or 5 women at a few dozen events over a 3 or 4 year period. And in most cases they were promptly escorted out.

What the opposition has contributed is fear. And it’s worked quite well. Death panels that don’t exist. Socialized medicine which isn’t part of the plan. Rationed care. Those lies have created fear. It’s hard to fight it when even the Republican who initiated the advance directive clause in the House plan is now running from it. Fear is effective.

[SK in CV]

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It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something.[/quote]

I have no affinity for Code Pink, but they’re hardly the same thing. Code Pink showed up with 4 or 5 women at a few dozen events over a 3 or 4 year period. And in most cases they were promptly escorted out.

What the opposition has contributed is fear. And it’s worked quite well. Death panels that don’t exist. Socialized medicine which isn’t part of the plan. Rationed care. Those lies have created fear. It’s hard to fight it when even the Republican who initiated the advance directive clause in the House plan is now running from it. Fear is effective.

[SK in CV]

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It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something.[/quote]

I have no affinity for Code Pink, but they’re hardly the same thing. Code Pink showed up with 4 or 5 women at a few dozen events over a 3 or 4 year period. And in most cases they were promptly escorted out.

What the opposition has contributed is fear. And it’s worked quite well. Death panels that don’t exist. Socialized medicine which isn’t part of the plan. Rationed care. Those lies have created fear. It’s hard to fight it when even the Republican who initiated the advance directive clause in the House plan is now running from it. Fear is effective.

[SK in CV]

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It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something.[/quote]

I have no affinity for Code Pink, but they’re hardly the same thing. Code Pink showed up with 4 or 5 women at a few dozen events over a 3 or 4 year period. And in most cases they were promptly escorted out.

What the opposition has contributed is fear. And it’s worked quite well. Death panels that don’t exist. Socialized medicine which isn’t part of the plan. Rationed care. Those lies have created fear. It’s hard to fight it when even the Republican who initiated the advance directive clause in the House plan is now running from it. Fear is effective.

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Agreed. The irony is that all this fear is coming from the supposed tough guy cowboy party. Just like the bully on the playground, as soon as they lose their power they cower in fear.

We need an updated version of FDR’s quote:
“Be very afraid because all we have is fear itself.”

[afx114]

Agreed. The irony is that all this fear is coming from the supposed tough guy cowboy party. Just like the bully on the playground, as soon as they lose their power they cower in fear.

We need an updated version of FDR’s quote:
“Be very afraid because all we have is fear itself.”

[afx114]

Agreed. The irony is that all this fear is coming from the supposed tough guy cowboy party. Just like the bully on the playground, as soon as they lose their power they cower in fear.

We need an updated version of FDR’s quote:
“Be very afraid because all we have is fear itself.”

[afx114]

Agreed. The irony is that all this fear is coming from the supposed tough guy cowboy party. Just like the bully on the playground, as soon as they lose their power they cower in fear.

We need an updated version of FDR’s quote:
“Be very afraid because all we have is fear itself.”

[afx114]

Agreed. The irony is that all this fear is coming from the supposed tough guy cowboy party. Just like the bully on the playground, as soon as they lose their power they cower in fear.

We need an updated version of FDR’s quote:
“Be very afraid because all we have is fear itself.”

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=afx114]
It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something.[/quote]

I have no affinity for Code Pink, but they’re hardly the same thing. Code Pink showed up with 4 or 5 women at a few dozen events over a 3 or 4 year period. And in most cases they were promptly escorted out.

What the opposition has contributed is fear. And it’s worked quite well. Death panels that don’t exist. Socialized medicine which isn’t part of the plan. Rationed care. Those lies have created fear. It’s hard to fight it when even the Republican who initiated the advance directive clause in the House plan is now running from it. Fear is effective.[/quote]

Afx/SK: No disagreement on the Republicans. While conservative, I haven’t supported the Republican Party since 1996. This is a rudderless ship at present, and they are blowing a golden opportunity to seize the initiative from the Dems and make a strong showing in 2010.

Instead, it’s just bloviation and nonsense. SK, you’re completely right about the fear based strategy being employed right now. It not only diminishes any chance of meaningful dialogue on this topic, but it further distances the elements of an already polarized and balkanized country.

As tone deaf as the Republicans have been, though, the Dems are matching them blow for blow. That Hoyer-Pelosi op/ed piece was amazing to me. Is Pelosi really that out of touch?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=afx114]
It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something.[/quote]

I have no affinity for Code Pink, but they’re hardly the same thing. Code Pink showed up with 4 or 5 women at a few dozen events over a 3 or 4 year period. And in most cases they were promptly escorted out.

What the opposition has contributed is fear. And it’s worked quite well. Death panels that don’t exist. Socialized medicine which isn’t part of the plan. Rationed care. Those lies have created fear. It’s hard to fight it when even the Republican who initiated the advance directive clause in the House plan is now running from it. Fear is effective.[/quote]

Afx/SK: No disagreement on the Republicans. While conservative, I haven’t supported the Republican Party since 1996. This is a rudderless ship at present, and they are blowing a golden opportunity to seize the initiative from the Dems and make a strong showing in 2010.

Instead, it’s just bloviation and nonsense. SK, you’re completely right about the fear based strategy being employed right now. It not only diminishes any chance of meaningful dialogue on this topic, but it further distances the elements of an already polarized and balkanized country.

As tone deaf as the Republicans have been, though, the Dems are matching them blow for blow. That Hoyer-Pelosi op/ed piece was amazing to me. Is Pelosi really that out of touch?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=afx114]
It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something.[/quote]

I have no affinity for Code Pink, but they’re hardly the same thing. Code Pink showed up with 4 or 5 women at a few dozen events over a 3 or 4 year period. And in most cases they were promptly escorted out.

What the opposition has contributed is fear. And it’s worked quite well. Death panels that don’t exist. Socialized medicine which isn’t part of the plan. Rationed care. Those lies have created fear. It’s hard to fight it when even the Republican who initiated the advance directive clause in the House plan is now running from it. Fear is effective.[/quote]

Afx/SK: No disagreement on the Republicans. While conservative, I haven’t supported the Republican Party since 1996. This is a rudderless ship at present, and they are blowing a golden opportunity to seize the initiative from the Dems and make a strong showing in 2010.

Instead, it’s just bloviation and nonsense. SK, you’re completely right about the fear based strategy being employed right now. It not only diminishes any chance of meaningful dialogue on this topic, but it further distances the elements of an already polarized and balkanized country.

As tone deaf as the Republicans have been, though, the Dems are matching them blow for blow. That Hoyer-Pelosi op/ed piece was amazing to me. Is Pelosi really that out of touch?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=afx114]
It’s no different than the “Code Pink” crowd. They do nothing but disrupt what should be a civilized debate about a very important issue, and in the end paint themselves as loonies to those who want to actually accomplish something.[/quote]

I have no affinity for Code Pink, but they’re hardly the same thing. Code Pink showed up with 4 or 5 women at a few dozen events over a 3 or 4 year period. And in most cases they were promptly escorted out.

What the opposition has contributed is fear. And it’s worked quite well. Death panels that don’t exist. Socialized medicine which isn’t part of the plan. Rationed care. Those lies have created fear. It’s hard to fight it when even the Republican who initiated the advance directive clause in the House plan is now running from it. Fear is effective.[/quote]

Afx/SK: No disagreement on the Republicans. While conservative, I haven’t supported the Republican Party since 1996. This is a rudderless ship at present, and they are blowing a golden opportunity to seize the initiative from the Dems and make a strong showing in 2010.

Instead, it’s just bloviation and nonsense. SK, you’re completely right about the fear based strategy being employed right now. It not only diminishes any chance of meaningful dialogue on this topic, but it further distances the elements of an already polarized and balkanized country.

As tone deaf as the Republicans have been, though, the Dems are matching them blow for blow. That Hoyer-Pelosi op/ed piece was amazing to me. Is Pelosi really that out of touch?

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