ObamaCare…coming soon

[GH]

As a self employed person I have to go out every three years or so and get a W2 job with a big company so I can get on COBRA, which is expensive, but affords far better coverage than I can get independently. What we need are large groups and choices creating REAL competition. The groups must and should be completely independent of the employer. An instance of an illness or injury should be covered for the duration of the illness or injury, provided the insured was covered at the onset regardless of if the insured is able to continue coverage. Far too many get injured, lose their jobs and then their insurance etc. The other problem we run into a lot is gouging, where a simple aspirin is charged at a rate of $5 each or prescription drugs cost $500+ a month where the same company sells to clients in Canada for a fraction of the cost. The other big issue, Cash clients are often charged many times more than insured clients, where Insurance should be reserved for ONLY catastrophic illness and regular care should be provided to ALL clients at the same rate. This would also go a long way to allowing smaller providers on the field.

Fines for not participating and reductions in existing coverage, higher taxes etc are not necessary IMO.

[SK in CV]

Overall, it would greatly reduce “free care” at the local ER. I don’t know how it could possibly cause an increase. Universal coverage, except for some undocumented residents and those that choose to pay the penalty for not having coverage (again, I’m sure we agree on the “mandatory” elements of the plan), means that there wouldn’t be any free care for the tens of thousands of currently uninsured that have income and assets in excess of federal poverty guidelines and are now eligible for medicaid (Medi-Cal here in San Diego). It would also “cover” some employed undocumented, with their employers picking up much of the premiums.

Before the current economic downturn, a high percentage of the downtown homeless were a result of the severe cutbacks over the last 25 years to CMH budgets. When my wife worked in mental health, she hated going downtown because she saw too many of her former patients, former residents of mental health facilities, whose funding was eliminated. Now with the Governors proposed plan for the state budget crisis, cuts in the already meager funding put her current patients at adult day health centers at risk for the same fate.

[SK in CV]

Overall, it would greatly reduce “free care” at the local ER. I don’t know how it could possibly cause an increase. Universal coverage, except for some undocumented residents and those that choose to pay the penalty for not having coverage (again, I’m sure we agree on the “mandatory” elements of the plan), means that there wouldn’t be any free care for the tens of thousands of currently uninsured that have income and assets in excess of federal poverty guidelines and are now eligible for medicaid (Medi-Cal here in San Diego). It would also “cover” some employed undocumented, with their employers picking up much of the premiums.

Before the current economic downturn, a high percentage of the downtown homeless were a result of the severe cutbacks over the last 25 years to CMH budgets. When my wife worked in mental health, she hated going downtown because she saw too many of her former patients, former residents of mental health facilities, whose funding was eliminated. Now with the Governors proposed plan for the state budget crisis, cuts in the already meager funding put her current patients at adult day health centers at risk for the same fate.

[SK in CV]

Overall, it would greatly reduce “free care” at the local ER. I don’t know how it could possibly cause an increase. Universal coverage, except for some undocumented residents and those that choose to pay the penalty for not having coverage (again, I’m sure we agree on the “mandatory” elements of the plan), means that there wouldn’t be any free care for the tens of thousands of currently uninsured that have income and assets in excess of federal poverty guidelines and are now eligible for medicaid (Medi-Cal here in San Diego). It would also “cover” some employed undocumented, with their employers picking up much of the premiums.

Before the current economic downturn, a high percentage of the downtown homeless were a result of the severe cutbacks over the last 25 years to CMH budgets. When my wife worked in mental health, she hated going downtown because she saw too many of her former patients, former residents of mental health facilities, whose funding was eliminated. Now with the Governors proposed plan for the state budget crisis, cuts in the already meager funding put her current patients at adult day health centers at risk for the same fate.

[SK in CV]

Overall, it would greatly reduce “free care” at the local ER. I don’t know how it could possibly cause an increase. Universal coverage, except for some undocumented residents and those that choose to pay the penalty for not having coverage (again, I’m sure we agree on the “mandatory” elements of the plan), means that there wouldn’t be any free care for the tens of thousands of currently uninsured that have income and assets in excess of federal poverty guidelines and are now eligible for medicaid (Medi-Cal here in San Diego). It would also “cover” some employed undocumented, with their employers picking up much of the premiums.

Before the current economic downturn, a high percentage of the downtown homeless were a result of the severe cutbacks over the last 25 years to CMH budgets. When my wife worked in mental health, she hated going downtown because she saw too many of her former patients, former residents of mental health facilities, whose funding was eliminated. Now with the Governors proposed plan for the state budget crisis, cuts in the already meager funding put her current patients at adult day health centers at risk for the same fate.

[SK in CV]

Overall, it would greatly reduce “free care” at the local ER. I don’t know how it could possibly cause an increase. Universal coverage, except for some undocumented residents and those that choose to pay the penalty for not having coverage (again, I’m sure we agree on the “mandatory” elements of the plan), means that there wouldn’t be any free care for the tens of thousands of currently uninsured that have income and assets in excess of federal poverty guidelines and are now eligible for medicaid (Medi-Cal here in San Diego). It would also “cover” some employed undocumented, with their employers picking up much of the premiums.

Before the current economic downturn, a high percentage of the downtown homeless were a result of the severe cutbacks over the last 25 years to CMH budgets. When my wife worked in mental health, she hated going downtown because she saw too many of her former patients, former residents of mental health facilities, whose funding was eliminated. Now with the Governors proposed plan for the state budget crisis, cuts in the already meager funding put her current patients at adult day health centers at risk for the same fate.

[Zeitgeist]

I am surprised they are not being sent to some camp in a cattle car in the Obama Health Care Plan. After all, he has no use for the elderly, so why keep the mentally ill. They cannot pay taxes and they are just taking up space. They are incurable. If you do not want to waste a pacemaker on someone who is elderly because it is not worth the cost of the surgery, how can you justify keeping the incurables around. Just asking.

[Zeitgeist]

I am surprised they are not being sent to some camp in a cattle car in the Obama Health Care Plan. After all, he has no use for the elderly, so why keep the mentally ill. They cannot pay taxes and they are just taking up space. They are incurable. If you do not want to waste a pacemaker on someone who is elderly because it is not worth the cost of the surgery, how can you justify keeping the incurables around. Just asking.

[Zeitgeist]

I am surprised they are not being sent to some camp in a cattle car in the Obama Health Care Plan. After all, he has no use for the elderly, so why keep the mentally ill. They cannot pay taxes and they are just taking up space. They are incurable. If you do not want to waste a pacemaker on someone who is elderly because it is not worth the cost of the surgery, how can you justify keeping the incurables around. Just asking.

[Zeitgeist]

I am surprised they are not being sent to some camp in a cattle car in the Obama Health Care Plan. After all, he has no use for the elderly, so why keep the mentally ill. They cannot pay taxes and they are just taking up space. They are incurable. If you do not want to waste a pacemaker on someone who is elderly because it is not worth the cost of the surgery, how can you justify keeping the incurables around. Just asking.

[Zeitgeist]

I am surprised they are not being sent to some camp in a cattle car in the Obama Health Care Plan. After all, he has no use for the elderly, so why keep the mentally ill. They cannot pay taxes and they are just taking up space. They are incurable. If you do not want to waste a pacemaker on someone who is elderly because it is not worth the cost of the surgery, how can you justify keeping the incurables around. Just asking.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I am surprised they are not being sent to some camp in a cattle car in the Obama Health Care Plan. After all, he has no use for the elderly, so why keep the mentally ill. They cannot pay taxes and they are just taking up space. They are incurable. If you do not want to waste a pacemaker on someone who is elderly because it is not worth the cost of the surgery, how can you justify keeping the incurables around. Just asking.[/quote]

I have no idea what any of this refers to. Medicare already exists for the elderly, that would not change. The current House plan doesn’t address the elderly, with the exception of some refined definitions and expanded coverage under medicare. Other than financing problems which have been apparent since at least the early 80’s, it is already a reasonably efficient functioning government plan.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I am surprised they are not being sent to some camp in a cattle car in the Obama Health Care Plan. After all, he has no use for the elderly, so why keep the mentally ill. They cannot pay taxes and they are just taking up space. They are incurable. If you do not want to waste a pacemaker on someone who is elderly because it is not worth the cost of the surgery, how can you justify keeping the incurables around. Just asking.[/quote]

I have no idea what any of this refers to. Medicare already exists for the elderly, that would not change. The current House plan doesn’t address the elderly, with the exception of some refined definitions and expanded coverage under medicare. Other than financing problems which have been apparent since at least the early 80’s, it is already a reasonably efficient functioning government plan.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I am surprised they are not being sent to some camp in a cattle car in the Obama Health Care Plan. After all, he has no use for the elderly, so why keep the mentally ill. They cannot pay taxes and they are just taking up space. They are incurable. If you do not want to waste a pacemaker on someone who is elderly because it is not worth the cost of the surgery, how can you justify keeping the incurables around. Just asking.[/quote]

I have no idea what any of this refers to. Medicare already exists for the elderly, that would not change. The current House plan doesn’t address the elderly, with the exception of some refined definitions and expanded coverage under medicare. Other than financing problems which have been apparent since at least the early 80’s, it is already a reasonably efficient functioning government plan.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I am surprised they are not being sent to some camp in a cattle car in the Obama Health Care Plan. After all, he has no use for the elderly, so why keep the mentally ill. They cannot pay taxes and they are just taking up space. They are incurable. If you do not want to waste a pacemaker on someone who is elderly because it is not worth the cost of the surgery, how can you justify keeping the incurables around. Just asking.[/quote]

I have no idea what any of this refers to. Medicare already exists for the elderly, that would not change. The current House plan doesn’t address the elderly, with the exception of some refined definitions and expanded coverage under medicare. Other than financing problems which have been apparent since at least the early 80’s, it is already a reasonably efficient functioning government plan.

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