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July 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM #439231July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM #438472
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Participant“WASHINGTON — President Obama tried Tuesday to sell his health care plan to older Americans, as members of Congress said they were deluged with calls from constituents worried that their Medicare benefits might be cut to help finance coverage for the uninsured.(July 29, 2009)”
“The outpouring of concern over Medicare came as House Democratic leaders tried to assuage the concerns of fiscally conservative House Democrats who have held up action on health care legislation while they press for changes to reduce the cost of the bill, estimated at $1 trillion over 10 years.”
“But some liberal Democrats, like Senators John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, expressed reservations about concessions being made by Democrats to keep a few Republicans on board.”
“Mr. Rockefeller said he was unhappy that the legislation would end the Children’s Health Insurance Program and could reduce the scope of benefits for 11 million children in the program”
“Asked if he would support the bill, Mr. Rockefeller shot back a somber, stony look. “Can’t you see the joy on my face?” he asked.”
“The House bill would cut more than $160 billion over 10 years from the projected growth of Medicare payments to insurance companies that manage care for more than 10 million of the 45 million Medicare beneficiaries.”
“But Robert E. Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, a trade group, said that if Congress made those cuts, “beneficiaries would face higher premiums and reductions in benefits, and in some parts of the country, they might lose access to their Medicare Advantage plans.” When Congress cut Medicare payments in the past, he said, insurers withdrew from some counties.”
July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM #438675Participant“WASHINGTON — President Obama tried Tuesday to sell his health care plan to older Americans, as members of Congress said they were deluged with calls from constituents worried that their Medicare benefits might be cut to help finance coverage for the uninsured.(July 29, 2009)”
“The outpouring of concern over Medicare came as House Democratic leaders tried to assuage the concerns of fiscally conservative House Democrats who have held up action on health care legislation while they press for changes to reduce the cost of the bill, estimated at $1 trillion over 10 years.”
“But some liberal Democrats, like Senators John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, expressed reservations about concessions being made by Democrats to keep a few Republicans on board.”
“Mr. Rockefeller said he was unhappy that the legislation would end the Children’s Health Insurance Program and could reduce the scope of benefits for 11 million children in the program”
“Asked if he would support the bill, Mr. Rockefeller shot back a somber, stony look. “Can’t you see the joy on my face?” he asked.”
“The House bill would cut more than $160 billion over 10 years from the projected growth of Medicare payments to insurance companies that manage care for more than 10 million of the 45 million Medicare beneficiaries.”
“But Robert E. Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, a trade group, said that if Congress made those cuts, “beneficiaries would face higher premiums and reductions in benefits, and in some parts of the country, they might lose access to their Medicare Advantage plans.” When Congress cut Medicare payments in the past, he said, insurers withdrew from some counties.”
July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM #438999Participant“WASHINGTON — President Obama tried Tuesday to sell his health care plan to older Americans, as members of Congress said they were deluged with calls from constituents worried that their Medicare benefits might be cut to help finance coverage for the uninsured.(July 29, 2009)”
“The outpouring of concern over Medicare came as House Democratic leaders tried to assuage the concerns of fiscally conservative House Democrats who have held up action on health care legislation while they press for changes to reduce the cost of the bill, estimated at $1 trillion over 10 years.”
“But some liberal Democrats, like Senators John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, expressed reservations about concessions being made by Democrats to keep a few Republicans on board.”
“Mr. Rockefeller said he was unhappy that the legislation would end the Children’s Health Insurance Program and could reduce the scope of benefits for 11 million children in the program”
“Asked if he would support the bill, Mr. Rockefeller shot back a somber, stony look. “Can’t you see the joy on my face?” he asked.”
“The House bill would cut more than $160 billion over 10 years from the projected growth of Medicare payments to insurance companies that manage care for more than 10 million of the 45 million Medicare beneficiaries.”
“But Robert E. Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, a trade group, said that if Congress made those cuts, “beneficiaries would face higher premiums and reductions in benefits, and in some parts of the country, they might lose access to their Medicare Advantage plans.” When Congress cut Medicare payments in the past, he said, insurers withdrew from some counties.”
July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM #439071Participant“WASHINGTON — President Obama tried Tuesday to sell his health care plan to older Americans, as members of Congress said they were deluged with calls from constituents worried that their Medicare benefits might be cut to help finance coverage for the uninsured.(July 29, 2009)”
“The outpouring of concern over Medicare came as House Democratic leaders tried to assuage the concerns of fiscally conservative House Democrats who have held up action on health care legislation while they press for changes to reduce the cost of the bill, estimated at $1 trillion over 10 years.”
“But some liberal Democrats, like Senators John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, expressed reservations about concessions being made by Democrats to keep a few Republicans on board.”
“Mr. Rockefeller said he was unhappy that the legislation would end the Children’s Health Insurance Program and could reduce the scope of benefits for 11 million children in the program”
“Asked if he would support the bill, Mr. Rockefeller shot back a somber, stony look. “Can’t you see the joy on my face?” he asked.”
“The House bill would cut more than $160 billion over 10 years from the projected growth of Medicare payments to insurance companies that manage care for more than 10 million of the 45 million Medicare beneficiaries.”
“But Robert E. Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, a trade group, said that if Congress made those cuts, “beneficiaries would face higher premiums and reductions in benefits, and in some parts of the country, they might lose access to their Medicare Advantage plans.” When Congress cut Medicare payments in the past, he said, insurers withdrew from some counties.”
July 29, 2009 at 1:41 PM #439241Participant“WASHINGTON — President Obama tried Tuesday to sell his health care plan to older Americans, as members of Congress said they were deluged with calls from constituents worried that their Medicare benefits might be cut to help finance coverage for the uninsured.(July 29, 2009)”
“The outpouring of concern over Medicare came as House Democratic leaders tried to assuage the concerns of fiscally conservative House Democrats who have held up action on health care legislation while they press for changes to reduce the cost of the bill, estimated at $1 trillion over 10 years.”
“But some liberal Democrats, like Senators John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, expressed reservations about concessions being made by Democrats to keep a few Republicans on board.”
“Mr. Rockefeller said he was unhappy that the legislation would end the Children’s Health Insurance Program and could reduce the scope of benefits for 11 million children in the program”
“Asked if he would support the bill, Mr. Rockefeller shot back a somber, stony look. “Can’t you see the joy on my face?” he asked.”
“The House bill would cut more than $160 billion over 10 years from the projected growth of Medicare payments to insurance companies that manage care for more than 10 million of the 45 million Medicare beneficiaries.”
“But Robert E. Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans, a trade group, said that if Congress made those cuts, “beneficiaries would face higher premiums and reductions in benefits, and in some parts of the country, they might lose access to their Medicare Advantage plans.” When Congress cut Medicare payments in the past, he said, insurers withdrew from some counties.”
July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM #438482Aecetia
ParticipantHey TG Will you still support the health care bill when they tax your wine? Well will you?
Smokers and diet-soda drinkers would escape higher taxes under a new proposal for how to pay for President Barack Obama’s sweeping health reform overhaul. But if you drink alcohol or sugary drinks, you might have to pay up under a plan released Monday by the Senate Finance Committee.
The committee proposed slapping an excise tax on “sugar-sweetened beverages” for the first time, and imposing a uniform tax across wine, beer and liquor, which are currently taxed a different levels.Wealthy individuals or workers with expensive health plans may have to pay taxes on their employer-provided insurance for the first time. Health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts could also lose some of their tax benefits.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgWH98ne
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgVjrsTY
July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM #438685ParticipantHey TG Will you still support the health care bill when they tax your wine? Well will you?
Smokers and diet-soda drinkers would escape higher taxes under a new proposal for how to pay for President Barack Obama’s sweeping health reform overhaul. But if you drink alcohol or sugary drinks, you might have to pay up under a plan released Monday by the Senate Finance Committee.
The committee proposed slapping an excise tax on “sugar-sweetened beverages” for the first time, and imposing a uniform tax across wine, beer and liquor, which are currently taxed a different levels.Wealthy individuals or workers with expensive health plans may have to pay taxes on their employer-provided insurance for the first time. Health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts could also lose some of their tax benefits.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgWH98ne
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgVjrsTY
July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM #439009ParticipantHey TG Will you still support the health care bill when they tax your wine? Well will you?
Smokers and diet-soda drinkers would escape higher taxes under a new proposal for how to pay for President Barack Obama’s sweeping health reform overhaul. But if you drink alcohol or sugary drinks, you might have to pay up under a plan released Monday by the Senate Finance Committee.
The committee proposed slapping an excise tax on “sugar-sweetened beverages” for the first time, and imposing a uniform tax across wine, beer and liquor, which are currently taxed a different levels.Wealthy individuals or workers with expensive health plans may have to pay taxes on their employer-provided insurance for the first time. Health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts could also lose some of their tax benefits.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgWH98ne
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgVjrsTY
July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM #439081ParticipantHey TG Will you still support the health care bill when they tax your wine? Well will you?
Smokers and diet-soda drinkers would escape higher taxes under a new proposal for how to pay for President Barack Obama’s sweeping health reform overhaul. But if you drink alcohol or sugary drinks, you might have to pay up under a plan released Monday by the Senate Finance Committee.
The committee proposed slapping an excise tax on “sugar-sweetened beverages” for the first time, and imposing a uniform tax across wine, beer and liquor, which are currently taxed a different levels.Wealthy individuals or workers with expensive health plans may have to pay taxes on their employer-provided insurance for the first time. Health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts could also lose some of their tax benefits.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgWH98ne
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgVjrsTY
July 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM #439251ParticipantHey TG Will you still support the health care bill when they tax your wine? Well will you?
Smokers and diet-soda drinkers would escape higher taxes under a new proposal for how to pay for President Barack Obama’s sweeping health reform overhaul. But if you drink alcohol or sugary drinks, you might have to pay up under a plan released Monday by the Senate Finance Committee.
The committee proposed slapping an excise tax on “sugar-sweetened beverages” for the first time, and imposing a uniform tax across wine, beer and liquor, which are currently taxed a different levels.Wealthy individuals or workers with expensive health plans may have to pay taxes on their employer-provided insurance for the first time. Health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts could also lose some of their tax benefits.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgWH98ne
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22675.html#ixzz0MgVjrsTY
July 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM #438487an
Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=AN]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.[/quote]Ok so you believe we do not need to do anything? status quo?
I read somewhere about health care in Canada or Europe that mentioned an overweight patient. A patient was considered over weight by his Primary care doctor so she was put on a 2 Year long coaching program to bring her weight down. I assume it was something like come in regularly for weight check up and tell us what you eat and how much you exercise etc. I guess that’s taking away liberty from the woman?
Many many not being able to afford health care, getting kicked out from insurance when you really need it, I’d say that’s pretty crap.[/quote]
Did you even read my post?July 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM #438689Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=AN]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.[/quote]Ok so you believe we do not need to do anything? status quo?
I read somewhere about health care in Canada or Europe that mentioned an overweight patient. A patient was considered over weight by his Primary care doctor so she was put on a 2 Year long coaching program to bring her weight down. I assume it was something like come in regularly for weight check up and tell us what you eat and how much you exercise etc. I guess that’s taking away liberty from the woman?
Many many not being able to afford health care, getting kicked out from insurance when you really need it, I’d say that’s pretty crap.[/quote]
Did you even read my post?July 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM #439014Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=AN]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.[/quote]Ok so you believe we do not need to do anything? status quo?
I read somewhere about health care in Canada or Europe that mentioned an overweight patient. A patient was considered over weight by his Primary care doctor so she was put on a 2 Year long coaching program to bring her weight down. I assume it was something like come in regularly for weight check up and tell us what you eat and how much you exercise etc. I guess that’s taking away liberty from the woman?
Many many not being able to afford health care, getting kicked out from insurance when you really need it, I’d say that’s pretty crap.[/quote]
Did you even read my post?July 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM #439086Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=AN]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.[/quote]Ok so you believe we do not need to do anything? status quo?
I read somewhere about health care in Canada or Europe that mentioned an overweight patient. A patient was considered over weight by his Primary care doctor so she was put on a 2 Year long coaching program to bring her weight down. I assume it was something like come in regularly for weight check up and tell us what you eat and how much you exercise etc. I guess that’s taking away liberty from the woman?
Many many not being able to afford health care, getting kicked out from insurance when you really need it, I’d say that’s pretty crap.[/quote]
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