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January 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM #131522January 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM #131243
Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
January 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM #131423Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
January 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM #131431Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
January 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM #131494Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
January 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM #131528Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantIrish: Let me get something right out of the way up front: I did not vote for Dubya in either election. Moreover, I find his conduct in avoiding service during Vietnam reprehensible. I served in the Army for five years, and I consider his conduct cowardice (as I consider Bill Clinton’s as well). That being said, John Kerry grossly inflated his service record, claiming credit where he should not have. Additionally, the comments he made about American servicemen and their actions in Vietnam, were and are unconscionable.
January 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM #131253Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
January 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM #131432Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
January 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM #131444Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
January 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM #131503Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
January 7, 2008 at 7:13 PM #131538Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantRus: I disagree. I think gold makes some excellent points. The problem is that any mention of the underlying motives driving the Left are immediately demonized and deemed racist. Far from it. What he was saying is not only true, but easily proved.
Look at the Left’s embracing of various groups (regardless of substance) and solely because of color, gender or orientation. If you attempt to attack these groups based on their politics, or beliefs, or policies, you become racist, or sexist or homophobic.
While the GOP and the Right are often accused (rightly) of conducting smear campaigns, the Dems and the Left are equally adept.
When confronted with a strong line of attack, Drunkle fell back on a common theme: Accuse the accuser of a more serious, but completely unrelated, flaw. In this case, racism.
This is why having an open discourse and dialogue of any productivity is near dead in this country at this time. It’s sad really.
January 7, 2008 at 7:28 PM #131258NotCranky
ParticipantAllan you have been doing the same thing. That is why I will not debate you. I bet you thought it was because you are more educated? It is easy to point out the biases of others and even stretch them as GD is doing and at the same time make discourse impossible because of your own, which is what you do IMO. Now about that empire thing…
January 7, 2008 at 7:28 PM #131436NotCranky
ParticipantAllan you have been doing the same thing. That is why I will not debate you. I bet you thought it was because you are more educated? It is easy to point out the biases of others and even stretch them as GD is doing and at the same time make discourse impossible because of your own, which is what you do IMO. Now about that empire thing…
January 7, 2008 at 7:28 PM #131447NotCranky
ParticipantAllan you have been doing the same thing. That is why I will not debate you. I bet you thought it was because you are more educated? It is easy to point out the biases of others and even stretch them as GD is doing and at the same time make discourse impossible because of your own, which is what you do IMO. Now about that empire thing…
January 7, 2008 at 7:28 PM #131509NotCranky
ParticipantAllan you have been doing the same thing. That is why I will not debate you. I bet you thought it was because you are more educated? It is easy to point out the biases of others and even stretch them as GD is doing and at the same time make discourse impossible because of your own, which is what you do IMO. Now about that empire thing…
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