Obama inspires a nation

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I was a McCain supporter.

But at the same time I knew McCain wasn’t the second comming.

I wish I was wrong about Obama. I want to be so wrong about him. I want him to fix this country but I just don’t see it

I am really am depressed about what I see.

Good Luck everyone,

CE

[Butleroftwo]

[quote=gandalf]Not sure I understand, Butler. Stock market drop is Bush’s fault? Obama’s fault?

Seems to me it’s more closely associated with the housing bubble, credit crisis and economy? You know, things like business cycles, ratio of outstanding debt to capital, financial industry deregulation, bond market conditions, money supply and velocity, fluctuations in commodities, etc.

If you’re mad about Obama, don’t give yourself an ulcer or anything.

How’d you like Bobby Jindal’s speech?[/quote]

The collapse of the stock market is our leaders fault. Bush failed to control it when as a lame duck he caved in to the opposition and abandoned free market principles. Obama is failing because he has no experience or hope for a free market.

The stock market is not controlled by anything that you mentioned. The need to invest controls the market. It goes up when stocks are bought and goes down when stocks are sold. Is that simple enough for you? When the Government controls an industry it also eliminates the profits. Talk of government controls are daily now. Obama offers no hope for a profit so everyone sells.
Recessions happen but this one is different because of the scope of government intervention.
A jobs bill with no jobs, a doubling of the deficit, C02 cap and trade tax, higher taxes for small business owners, higher taxes for all who pay and health care “reform” are just a few of the profit eliminators and double speak that are being pushed through. You can’t even put money in your mattress because inflation is threatening to even find that.

[Butleroftwo]

[quote=gandalf]Not sure I understand, Butler. Stock market drop is Bush’s fault? Obama’s fault?

Seems to me it’s more closely associated with the housing bubble, credit crisis and economy? You know, things like business cycles, ratio of outstanding debt to capital, financial industry deregulation, bond market conditions, money supply and velocity, fluctuations in commodities, etc.

If you’re mad about Obama, don’t give yourself an ulcer or anything.

How’d you like Bobby Jindal’s speech?[/quote]

The collapse of the stock market is our leaders fault. Bush failed to control it when as a lame duck he caved in to the opposition and abandoned free market principles. Obama is failing because he has no experience or hope for a free market.

The stock market is not controlled by anything that you mentioned. The need to invest controls the market. It goes up when stocks are bought and goes down when stocks are sold. Is that simple enough for you? When the Government controls an industry it also eliminates the profits. Talk of government controls are daily now. Obama offers no hope for a profit so everyone sells.
Recessions happen but this one is different because of the scope of government intervention.
A jobs bill with no jobs, a doubling of the deficit, C02 cap and trade tax, higher taxes for small business owners, higher taxes for all who pay and health care “reform” are just a few of the profit eliminators and double speak that are being pushed through. You can’t even put money in your mattress because inflation is threatening to even find that.

[Butleroftwo]

[quote=gandalf]Not sure I understand, Butler. Stock market drop is Bush’s fault? Obama’s fault?

Seems to me it’s more closely associated with the housing bubble, credit crisis and economy? You know, things like business cycles, ratio of outstanding debt to capital, financial industry deregulation, bond market conditions, money supply and velocity, fluctuations in commodities, etc.

If you’re mad about Obama, don’t give yourself an ulcer or anything.

How’d you like Bobby Jindal’s speech?[/quote]

The collapse of the stock market is our leaders fault. Bush failed to control it when as a lame duck he caved in to the opposition and abandoned free market principles. Obama is failing because he has no experience or hope for a free market.

The stock market is not controlled by anything that you mentioned. The need to invest controls the market. It goes up when stocks are bought and goes down when stocks are sold. Is that simple enough for you? When the Government controls an industry it also eliminates the profits. Talk of government controls are daily now. Obama offers no hope for a profit so everyone sells.
Recessions happen but this one is different because of the scope of government intervention.
A jobs bill with no jobs, a doubling of the deficit, C02 cap and trade tax, higher taxes for small business owners, higher taxes for all who pay and health care “reform” are just a few of the profit eliminators and double speak that are being pushed through. You can’t even put money in your mattress because inflation is threatening to even find that.

[Butleroftwo]

[quote=gandalf]Not sure I understand, Butler. Stock market drop is Bush’s fault? Obama’s fault?

Seems to me it’s more closely associated with the housing bubble, credit crisis and economy? You know, things like business cycles, ratio of outstanding debt to capital, financial industry deregulation, bond market conditions, money supply and velocity, fluctuations in commodities, etc.

If you’re mad about Obama, don’t give yourself an ulcer or anything.

How’d you like Bobby Jindal’s speech?[/quote]

The collapse of the stock market is our leaders fault. Bush failed to control it when as a lame duck he caved in to the opposition and abandoned free market principles. Obama is failing because he has no experience or hope for a free market.

The stock market is not controlled by anything that you mentioned. The need to invest controls the market. It goes up when stocks are bought and goes down when stocks are sold. Is that simple enough for you? When the Government controls an industry it also eliminates the profits. Talk of government controls are daily now. Obama offers no hope for a profit so everyone sells.
Recessions happen but this one is different because of the scope of government intervention.
A jobs bill with no jobs, a doubling of the deficit, C02 cap and trade tax, higher taxes for small business owners, higher taxes for all who pay and health care “reform” are just a few of the profit eliminators and double speak that are being pushed through. You can’t even put money in your mattress because inflation is threatening to even find that.

[Butleroftwo]

[quote=gandalf]Not sure I understand, Butler. Stock market drop is Bush’s fault? Obama’s fault?

Seems to me it’s more closely associated with the housing bubble, credit crisis and economy? You know, things like business cycles, ratio of outstanding debt to capital, financial industry deregulation, bond market conditions, money supply and velocity, fluctuations in commodities, etc.

If you’re mad about Obama, don’t give yourself an ulcer or anything.

How’d you like Bobby Jindal’s speech?[/quote]

The collapse of the stock market is our leaders fault. Bush failed to control it when as a lame duck he caved in to the opposition and abandoned free market principles. Obama is failing because he has no experience or hope for a free market.

The stock market is not controlled by anything that you mentioned. The need to invest controls the market. It goes up when stocks are bought and goes down when stocks are sold. Is that simple enough for you? When the Government controls an industry it also eliminates the profits. Talk of government controls are daily now. Obama offers no hope for a profit so everyone sells.
Recessions happen but this one is different because of the scope of government intervention.
A jobs bill with no jobs, a doubling of the deficit, C02 cap and trade tax, higher taxes for small business owners, higher taxes for all who pay and health care “reform” are just a few of the profit eliminators and double speak that are being pushed through. You can’t even put money in your mattress because inflation is threatening to even find that.

[partypup]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Are we so socialized as to have lost that spark of revolution? Or not? If it is the latter, then TPTB had better watch out. Last time I checked, when Americans are roused to righteous fury, you better watch the fuck out.[/quote]

I suspect, Allan, that we have not lost that spark. And I also suspect that the spark is going to be ignited worldwide. What is coming won’t be limited to the United States. We are about to witness a global revolution.

But it won’t happen overnight. Most people will need to suffer more before they come to terms with the need for systemic change.

It’s funny, when I have casually mentioned the concept of revolution to friends over the past year, they become instantly terrified of the prospect. There is a curious form of Stockholm Syndrome occurring. On one hand, they complain incessantly about the fact that they are losing ground, are being hammered by taxes, can’t afford a house or are stuck with a house that’s underwater, and that the primary political parties are now a complete joke. But on the other hand, when I mention the idea of revolution or systemic change that may genuinely benefit them, they instantly recoil: “Well, that sounds kind of scary,” they usually say. WTF?? Living as a slave or a frog in a pot slowly being boiled to death – that’s not scary??

That said, I agree with you that we have reached an inflection point. Something is changing. People are beginning to feel that they have little to lose. And nothing is more frightening to the Powers that Be than millions of angry people who literally have nothing to lose.

Wait until we have food or gas shortages or bank holidays. Right now, the majority of people are moving in a quasi-comfortable state through life as the world around them slowly crumbles along the edges. But sooner or later, the very foundation they stand on will start to give way. And then we will see the spark.

Brace for impact.

[partypup]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Are we so socialized as to have lost that spark of revolution? Or not? If it is the latter, then TPTB had better watch out. Last time I checked, when Americans are roused to righteous fury, you better watch the fuck out.[/quote]

I suspect, Allan, that we have not lost that spark. And I also suspect that the spark is going to be ignited worldwide. What is coming won’t be limited to the United States. We are about to witness a global revolution.

But it won’t happen overnight. Most people will need to suffer more before they come to terms with the need for systemic change.

It’s funny, when I have casually mentioned the concept of revolution to friends over the past year, they become instantly terrified of the prospect. There is a curious form of Stockholm Syndrome occurring. On one hand, they complain incessantly about the fact that they are losing ground, are being hammered by taxes, can’t afford a house or are stuck with a house that’s underwater, and that the primary political parties are now a complete joke. But on the other hand, when I mention the idea of revolution or systemic change that may genuinely benefit them, they instantly recoil: “Well, that sounds kind of scary,” they usually say. WTF?? Living as a slave or a frog in a pot slowly being boiled to death – that’s not scary??

That said, I agree with you that we have reached an inflection point. Something is changing. People are beginning to feel that they have little to lose. And nothing is more frightening to the Powers that Be than millions of angry people who literally have nothing to lose.

Wait until we have food or gas shortages or bank holidays. Right now, the majority of people are moving in a quasi-comfortable state through life as the world around them slowly crumbles along the edges. But sooner or later, the very foundation they stand on will start to give way. And then we will see the spark.

Brace for impact.

[partypup]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Are we so socialized as to have lost that spark of revolution? Or not? If it is the latter, then TPTB had better watch out. Last time I checked, when Americans are roused to righteous fury, you better watch the fuck out.[/quote]

I suspect, Allan, that we have not lost that spark. And I also suspect that the spark is going to be ignited worldwide. What is coming won’t be limited to the United States. We are about to witness a global revolution.

But it won’t happen overnight. Most people will need to suffer more before they come to terms with the need for systemic change.

It’s funny, when I have casually mentioned the concept of revolution to friends over the past year, they become instantly terrified of the prospect. There is a curious form of Stockholm Syndrome occurring. On one hand, they complain incessantly about the fact that they are losing ground, are being hammered by taxes, can’t afford a house or are stuck with a house that’s underwater, and that the primary political parties are now a complete joke. But on the other hand, when I mention the idea of revolution or systemic change that may genuinely benefit them, they instantly recoil: “Well, that sounds kind of scary,” they usually say. WTF?? Living as a slave or a frog in a pot slowly being boiled to death – that’s not scary??

That said, I agree with you that we have reached an inflection point. Something is changing. People are beginning to feel that they have little to lose. And nothing is more frightening to the Powers that Be than millions of angry people who literally have nothing to lose.

Wait until we have food or gas shortages or bank holidays. Right now, the majority of people are moving in a quasi-comfortable state through life as the world around them slowly crumbles along the edges. But sooner or later, the very foundation they stand on will start to give way. And then we will see the spark.

Brace for impact.

[partypup]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Are we so socialized as to have lost that spark of revolution? Or not? If it is the latter, then TPTB had better watch out. Last time I checked, when Americans are roused to righteous fury, you better watch the fuck out.[/quote]

I suspect, Allan, that we have not lost that spark. And I also suspect that the spark is going to be ignited worldwide. What is coming won’t be limited to the United States. We are about to witness a global revolution.

But it won’t happen overnight. Most people will need to suffer more before they come to terms with the need for systemic change.

It’s funny, when I have casually mentioned the concept of revolution to friends over the past year, they become instantly terrified of the prospect. There is a curious form of Stockholm Syndrome occurring. On one hand, they complain incessantly about the fact that they are losing ground, are being hammered by taxes, can’t afford a house or are stuck with a house that’s underwater, and that the primary political parties are now a complete joke. But on the other hand, when I mention the idea of revolution or systemic change that may genuinely benefit them, they instantly recoil: “Well, that sounds kind of scary,” they usually say. WTF?? Living as a slave or a frog in a pot slowly being boiled to death – that’s not scary??

That said, I agree with you that we have reached an inflection point. Something is changing. People are beginning to feel that they have little to lose. And nothing is more frightening to the Powers that Be than millions of angry people who literally have nothing to lose.

Wait until we have food or gas shortages or bank holidays. Right now, the majority of people are moving in a quasi-comfortable state through life as the world around them slowly crumbles along the edges. But sooner or later, the very foundation they stand on will start to give way. And then we will see the spark.

Brace for impact.

[partypup]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Are we so socialized as to have lost that spark of revolution? Or not? If it is the latter, then TPTB had better watch out. Last time I checked, when Americans are roused to righteous fury, you better watch the fuck out.[/quote]

I suspect, Allan, that we have not lost that spark. And I also suspect that the spark is going to be ignited worldwide. What is coming won’t be limited to the United States. We are about to witness a global revolution.

But it won’t happen overnight. Most people will need to suffer more before they come to terms with the need for systemic change.

It’s funny, when I have casually mentioned the concept of revolution to friends over the past year, they become instantly terrified of the prospect. There is a curious form of Stockholm Syndrome occurring. On one hand, they complain incessantly about the fact that they are losing ground, are being hammered by taxes, can’t afford a house or are stuck with a house that’s underwater, and that the primary political parties are now a complete joke. But on the other hand, when I mention the idea of revolution or systemic change that may genuinely benefit them, they instantly recoil: “Well, that sounds kind of scary,” they usually say. WTF?? Living as a slave or a frog in a pot slowly being boiled to death – that’s not scary??

That said, I agree with you that we have reached an inflection point. Something is changing. People are beginning to feel that they have little to lose. And nothing is more frightening to the Powers that Be than millions of angry people who literally have nothing to lose.

Wait until we have food or gas shortages or bank holidays. Right now, the majority of people are moving in a quasi-comfortable state through life as the world around them slowly crumbles along the edges. But sooner or later, the very foundation they stand on will start to give way. And then we will see the spark.

Brace for impact.

[Arraya]

Parypup-I agree. One level they are playing the key stone cop role of bumbling idiots trying to do the impossible. OTOH, They can’t all be that stupid.

Why, things that are unsustainable will eventually become sustainable usually in an unpleasant way if not dealt with. It’s hard to tell the masses that the whole absurdly ridiculous economic arrangement that they have been pushing and swearing by over the past 40 years could only end in collapse or war. It requires constant expansion and energy inputs to keep from collapsing, both of which were in short supply. Ponzi schemes based on infinite debt can’t last forever. It’s childish to even think so.

This state mandated bubble was put in motion under Clinton and absolutely ensured under Bush along with an ill gotten oil grab, which is nice to have if you monetary system is bunk and you need leverage on the world stage.

The die is cast, the Right is giddy over Obama’s imminent failure and the Left is deep in cognitive dissonance as the Bushies where when George was playing his bull in a china shop foreign policy based on lies.

Now the revolution meme is coming out of the Right and I’m sure they will offer a solution to all our problems. It will be a person of faith and campaign slogan will be “blame the black guy” with plenty of scapegoats and boogie men and the masses will flock.

Despite all our rage we are still just rats in a cage….

[Arraya]

Parypup-I agree. One level they are playing the key stone cop role of bumbling idiots trying to do the impossible. OTOH, They can’t all be that stupid.

Why, things that are unsustainable will eventually become sustainable usually in an unpleasant way if not dealt with. It’s hard to tell the masses that the whole absurdly ridiculous economic arrangement that they have been pushing and swearing by over the past 40 years could only end in collapse or war. It requires constant expansion and energy inputs to keep from collapsing, both of which were in short supply. Ponzi schemes based on infinite debt can’t last forever. It’s childish to even think so.

This state mandated bubble was put in motion under Clinton and absolutely ensured under Bush along with an ill gotten oil grab, which is nice to have if you monetary system is bunk and you need leverage on the world stage.

The die is cast, the Right is giddy over Obama’s imminent failure and the Left is deep in cognitive dissonance as the Bushies where when George was playing his bull in a china shop foreign policy based on lies.

Now the revolution meme is coming out of the Right and I’m sure they will offer a solution to all our problems. It will be a person of faith and campaign slogan will be “blame the black guy” with plenty of scapegoats and boogie men and the masses will flock.

Despite all our rage we are still just rats in a cage….

[Arraya]

Parypup-I agree. One level they are playing the key stone cop role of bumbling idiots trying to do the impossible. OTOH, They can’t all be that stupid.

Why, things that are unsustainable will eventually become sustainable usually in an unpleasant way if not dealt with. It’s hard to tell the masses that the whole absurdly ridiculous economic arrangement that they have been pushing and swearing by over the past 40 years could only end in collapse or war. It requires constant expansion and energy inputs to keep from collapsing, both of which were in short supply. Ponzi schemes based on infinite debt can’t last forever. It’s childish to even think so.

This state mandated bubble was put in motion under Clinton and absolutely ensured under Bush along with an ill gotten oil grab, which is nice to have if you monetary system is bunk and you need leverage on the world stage.

The die is cast, the Right is giddy over Obama’s imminent failure and the Left is deep in cognitive dissonance as the Bushies where when George was playing his bull in a china shop foreign policy based on lies.

Now the revolution meme is coming out of the Right and I’m sure they will offer a solution to all our problems. It will be a person of faith and campaign slogan will be “blame the black guy” with plenty of scapegoats and boogie men and the masses will flock.

Despite all our rage we are still just rats in a cage….

[Arraya]

Parypup-I agree. One level they are playing the key stone cop role of bumbling idiots trying to do the impossible. OTOH, They can’t all be that stupid.

Why, things that are unsustainable will eventually become sustainable usually in an unpleasant way if not dealt with. It’s hard to tell the masses that the whole absurdly ridiculous economic arrangement that they have been pushing and swearing by over the past 40 years could only end in collapse or war. It requires constant expansion and energy inputs to keep from collapsing, both of which were in short supply. Ponzi schemes based on infinite debt can’t last forever. It’s childish to even think so.

This state mandated bubble was put in motion under Clinton and absolutely ensured under Bush along with an ill gotten oil grab, which is nice to have if you monetary system is bunk and you need leverage on the world stage.

The die is cast, the Right is giddy over Obama’s imminent failure and the Left is deep in cognitive dissonance as the Bushies where when George was playing his bull in a china shop foreign policy based on lies.

Now the revolution meme is coming out of the Right and I’m sure they will offer a solution to all our problems. It will be a person of faith and campaign slogan will be “blame the black guy” with plenty of scapegoats and boogie men and the masses will flock.

Despite all our rage we are still just rats in a cage….

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