Obama gets peace prize for not being Bush!

[Arraya]

in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.[/quote]

Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.[/quote]

Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.[/quote]

Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.[/quote]

Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.[/quote]

Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.[/quote]

I completely agree Allan.

So isn’t religion kinda of like Marxism?

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.[/quote]

I completely agree Allan.

So isn’t religion kinda of like Marxism?

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.[/quote]

I completely agree Allan.

So isn’t religion kinda of like Marxism?

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.[/quote]

I completely agree Allan.

So isn’t religion kinda of like Marxism?

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.[/quote]

I completely agree Allan.

So isn’t religion kinda of like Marxism?

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.[/quote]

Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.[/quote]

I hold no delusions that statism is the answer for anything. IMO, Human nature is the failing of every social structure as we are witnessing now with capitalism. Pursuit of capital ruined capitalism and the state ruins socialism. My question is what’s next? How about free market socialism?

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.[/quote]

Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.[/quote]

I hold no delusions that statism is the answer for anything. IMO, Human nature is the failing of every social structure as we are witnessing now with capitalism. Pursuit of capital ruined capitalism and the state ruins socialism. My question is what’s next? How about free market socialism?

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.[/quote]

Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.[/quote]

I hold no delusions that statism is the answer for anything. IMO, Human nature is the failing of every social structure as we are witnessing now with capitalism. Pursuit of capital ruined capitalism and the state ruins socialism. My question is what’s next? How about free market socialism?

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.[/quote]

Arraya: Which is the point, right? I had a PoliSci professor comment on Marxism, saying that it overlooked the most important factor: Human nature and that was its greatest failing.

When you look at America’s attempts to legislate good behavior, none of them work. I believe its because you can’t. People are people: Heroic, generous, venal, corrupt, cowardly and everything in between.[/quote]

I hold no delusions that statism is the answer for anything. IMO, Human nature is the failing of every social structure as we are witnessing now with capitalism. Pursuit of capital ruined capitalism and the state ruins socialism. My question is what’s next? How about free market socialism?

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