Obama gets peace prize for not being Bush!

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]
Looks like someone is using personal attacks when just about all else fails.. baiting doesn’t work. Don’t have time for such low-brow behavior.[/quote]

Personal attack?

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I was expressing concern about where you learned what you know about NATO and the UN.

It would be cause for worry if you learned it in the military.

As the Republicans like to say “May God Bless America”. We’ll need it.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
surveyor, so remind me again who lost Vietnam? And as you said, who did Bin Laden learn the lesson from? Either Nixon or Ford (both Republicans) by my estimation.[/quote]

Let me spell it out for you because frequently I see you having difficulty grasping certain concepts.

As Allan has pointed out many times, the U.S. never lost a military battle. However, many countries and internationalists perceived the U.S. to have lost Vietnam because of the way we left. While there was no doubt of our military prowess, the lesson for many countries was that the U.S. could be beaten.

Enter Somalia. As bin Laden said, hit the nose of the tiger and the tiger runs away. Despite having a vastly superior military, in terms of numbers, equipment, training, and in almost every other way, a much publicized attack and the U.S. runs away. Clinton withdraws all the troops. There are also the attacks on the African embassies. Not much of a response. The bombing of the Cole. “Police action.” All of this behavior points to a country unwilling to take the steps to aggressively defend itself. bin Laden then gets the idea that if he can strike the U.S. deep in its heart, it will eventually withdraw from the middle east and Israel.

Now, do you think bin Laden would have come to this conclusion if we had done a better job at Vietnam? Perhaps, perhaps not.

And let me be clear (using Obama’s favorite words): bin Laden does not see republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives. He just sees filthy infidels. So you can try to blame Vietnam or other ills on the republicans, or conservatives, but that line of thinking makes no difference to bin Laden.

At least with your questions you seem willing to learn. However, willing to learn and learning are two different things.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
surveyor, so remind me again who lost Vietnam? And as you said, who did Bin Laden learn the lesson from? Either Nixon or Ford (both Republicans) by my estimation.[/quote]

Let me spell it out for you because frequently I see you having difficulty grasping certain concepts.

As Allan has pointed out many times, the U.S. never lost a military battle. However, many countries and internationalists perceived the U.S. to have lost Vietnam because of the way we left. While there was no doubt of our military prowess, the lesson for many countries was that the U.S. could be beaten.

Enter Somalia. As bin Laden said, hit the nose of the tiger and the tiger runs away. Despite having a vastly superior military, in terms of numbers, equipment, training, and in almost every other way, a much publicized attack and the U.S. runs away. Clinton withdraws all the troops. There are also the attacks on the African embassies. Not much of a response. The bombing of the Cole. “Police action.” All of this behavior points to a country unwilling to take the steps to aggressively defend itself. bin Laden then gets the idea that if he can strike the U.S. deep in its heart, it will eventually withdraw from the middle east and Israel.

Now, do you think bin Laden would have come to this conclusion if we had done a better job at Vietnam? Perhaps, perhaps not.

And let me be clear (using Obama’s favorite words): bin Laden does not see republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives. He just sees filthy infidels. So you can try to blame Vietnam or other ills on the republicans, or conservatives, but that line of thinking makes no difference to bin Laden.

At least with your questions you seem willing to learn. However, willing to learn and learning are two different things.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
surveyor, so remind me again who lost Vietnam? And as you said, who did Bin Laden learn the lesson from? Either Nixon or Ford (both Republicans) by my estimation.[/quote]

Let me spell it out for you because frequently I see you having difficulty grasping certain concepts.

As Allan has pointed out many times, the U.S. never lost a military battle. However, many countries and internationalists perceived the U.S. to have lost Vietnam because of the way we left. While there was no doubt of our military prowess, the lesson for many countries was that the U.S. could be beaten.

Enter Somalia. As bin Laden said, hit the nose of the tiger and the tiger runs away. Despite having a vastly superior military, in terms of numbers, equipment, training, and in almost every other way, a much publicized attack and the U.S. runs away. Clinton withdraws all the troops. There are also the attacks on the African embassies. Not much of a response. The bombing of the Cole. “Police action.” All of this behavior points to a country unwilling to take the steps to aggressively defend itself. bin Laden then gets the idea that if he can strike the U.S. deep in its heart, it will eventually withdraw from the middle east and Israel.

Now, do you think bin Laden would have come to this conclusion if we had done a better job at Vietnam? Perhaps, perhaps not.

And let me be clear (using Obama’s favorite words): bin Laden does not see republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives. He just sees filthy infidels. So you can try to blame Vietnam or other ills on the republicans, or conservatives, but that line of thinking makes no difference to bin Laden.

At least with your questions you seem willing to learn. However, willing to learn and learning are two different things.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
surveyor, so remind me again who lost Vietnam? And as you said, who did Bin Laden learn the lesson from? Either Nixon or Ford (both Republicans) by my estimation.[/quote]

Let me spell it out for you because frequently I see you having difficulty grasping certain concepts.

As Allan has pointed out many times, the U.S. never lost a military battle. However, many countries and internationalists perceived the U.S. to have lost Vietnam because of the way we left. While there was no doubt of our military prowess, the lesson for many countries was that the U.S. could be beaten.

Enter Somalia. As bin Laden said, hit the nose of the tiger and the tiger runs away. Despite having a vastly superior military, in terms of numbers, equipment, training, and in almost every other way, a much publicized attack and the U.S. runs away. Clinton withdraws all the troops. There are also the attacks on the African embassies. Not much of a response. The bombing of the Cole. “Police action.” All of this behavior points to a country unwilling to take the steps to aggressively defend itself. bin Laden then gets the idea that if he can strike the U.S. deep in its heart, it will eventually withdraw from the middle east and Israel.

Now, do you think bin Laden would have come to this conclusion if we had done a better job at Vietnam? Perhaps, perhaps not.

And let me be clear (using Obama’s favorite words): bin Laden does not see republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives. He just sees filthy infidels. So you can try to blame Vietnam or other ills on the republicans, or conservatives, but that line of thinking makes no difference to bin Laden.

At least with your questions you seem willing to learn. However, willing to learn and learning are two different things.

[surveyor]

[quote=briansd1]
surveyor, so remind me again who lost Vietnam? And as you said, who did Bin Laden learn the lesson from? Either Nixon or Ford (both Republicans) by my estimation.[/quote]

Let me spell it out for you because frequently I see you having difficulty grasping certain concepts.

As Allan has pointed out many times, the U.S. never lost a military battle. However, many countries and internationalists perceived the U.S. to have lost Vietnam because of the way we left. While there was no doubt of our military prowess, the lesson for many countries was that the U.S. could be beaten.

Enter Somalia. As bin Laden said, hit the nose of the tiger and the tiger runs away. Despite having a vastly superior military, in terms of numbers, equipment, training, and in almost every other way, a much publicized attack and the U.S. runs away. Clinton withdraws all the troops. There are also the attacks on the African embassies. Not much of a response. The bombing of the Cole. “Police action.” All of this behavior points to a country unwilling to take the steps to aggressively defend itself. bin Laden then gets the idea that if he can strike the U.S. deep in its heart, it will eventually withdraw from the middle east and Israel.

Now, do you think bin Laden would have come to this conclusion if we had done a better job at Vietnam? Perhaps, perhaps not.

And let me be clear (using Obama’s favorite words): bin Laden does not see republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives. He just sees filthy infidels. So you can try to blame Vietnam or other ills on the republicans, or conservatives, but that line of thinking makes no difference to bin Laden.

At least with your questions you seem willing to learn. However, willing to learn and learning are two different things.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Mandatory Reading:       

BILL MOYERS: Let’s look at this story that I just read from the Associated Press this week about how Treasury Secretary Geithner is on the phone several times a day with a select group of very powerful Wall Street bankers, especially Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs. He will talk to them when Members of Congress have to leave a message on the answering machine.

The interviewees make a strong case that the bankers (particularly the 4 Horsemen) have taken over our government in a financial coup d’etat.

I figure Obama is in one of 3 spots:

1: Bankers showed him 4 bullets and told him that was the retirement package for him and his family if he didn’t do what they say.

2: Bankers slipped into his cabinet and are feeding him a line of BS a mile deep and he doesn’t have a clue.

or 3: He has been in bed with them all along.

If (3), I bet on a revolution in this country at some point.

Thanks to Mish for linking this.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Mandatory Reading:       

BILL MOYERS: Let’s look at this story that I just read from the Associated Press this week about how Treasury Secretary Geithner is on the phone several times a day with a select group of very powerful Wall Street bankers, especially Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs. He will talk to them when Members of Congress have to leave a message on the answering machine.

The interviewees make a strong case that the bankers (particularly the 4 Horsemen) have taken over our government in a financial coup d’etat.

I figure Obama is in one of 3 spots:

1: Bankers showed him 4 bullets and told him that was the retirement package for him and his family if he didn’t do what they say.

2: Bankers slipped into his cabinet and are feeding him a line of BS a mile deep and he doesn’t have a clue.

or 3: He has been in bed with them all along.

If (3), I bet on a revolution in this country at some point.

Thanks to Mish for linking this.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Mandatory Reading:       

BILL MOYERS: Let’s look at this story that I just read from the Associated Press this week about how Treasury Secretary Geithner is on the phone several times a day with a select group of very powerful Wall Street bankers, especially Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs. He will talk to them when Members of Congress have to leave a message on the answering machine.

The interviewees make a strong case that the bankers (particularly the 4 Horsemen) have taken over our government in a financial coup d’etat.

I figure Obama is in one of 3 spots:

1: Bankers showed him 4 bullets and told him that was the retirement package for him and his family if he didn’t do what they say.

2: Bankers slipped into his cabinet and are feeding him a line of BS a mile deep and he doesn’t have a clue.

or 3: He has been in bed with them all along.

If (3), I bet on a revolution in this country at some point.

Thanks to Mish for linking this.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Mandatory Reading:       

BILL MOYERS: Let’s look at this story that I just read from the Associated Press this week about how Treasury Secretary Geithner is on the phone several times a day with a select group of very powerful Wall Street bankers, especially Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs. He will talk to them when Members of Congress have to leave a message on the answering machine.

The interviewees make a strong case that the bankers (particularly the 4 Horsemen) have taken over our government in a financial coup d’etat.

I figure Obama is in one of 3 spots:

1: Bankers showed him 4 bullets and told him that was the retirement package for him and his family if he didn’t do what they say.

2: Bankers slipped into his cabinet and are feeding him a line of BS a mile deep and he doesn’t have a clue.

or 3: He has been in bed with them all along.

If (3), I bet on a revolution in this country at some point.

Thanks to Mish for linking this.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Mandatory Reading:       

BILL MOYERS: Let’s look at this story that I just read from the Associated Press this week about how Treasury Secretary Geithner is on the phone several times a day with a select group of very powerful Wall Street bankers, especially Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs. He will talk to them when Members of Congress have to leave a message on the answering machine.

The interviewees make a strong case that the bankers (particularly the 4 Horsemen) have taken over our government in a financial coup d’etat.

I figure Obama is in one of 3 spots:

1: Bankers showed him 4 bullets and told him that was the retirement package for him and his family if he didn’t do what they say.

2: Bankers slipped into his cabinet and are feeding him a line of BS a mile deep and he doesn’t have a clue.

or 3: He has been in bed with them all along.

If (3), I bet on a revolution in this country at some point.

Thanks to Mish for linking this.

[Arraya]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]Mandatory Reading:       

BILL MOYERS: Let’s look at this story that I just read from the Associated Press this week about how Treasury Secretary Geithner is on the phone several times a day with a select group of very powerful Wall Street bankers, especially Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs. He will talk to them when Members of Congress have to leave a message on the answering machine.

The interviewees make a strong case that the bankers (particularly the 4 Horsemen) have taken over our government in a financial coup d’etat.

I figure Obama is in one of 3 spots:

1: Bankers showed him 4 bullets and told him that was the retirement package for him and his family if he didn’t do what they say.

2: Bankers slipped into his cabinet and are feeding him a line of BS a mile deep and he doesn’t have a clue.

or 3: He has been in bed with them all along.

If (3), I bet on a revolution in this country at some point.

Thanks to Mish for linking this.[/quote]

Or… They brought him into a dark smokey room and showed him the JFK assassination from an angle never scene before. Then asked “Any questions”?

[Arraya]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]Mandatory Reading:       

BILL MOYERS: Let’s look at this story that I just read from the Associated Press this week about how Treasury Secretary Geithner is on the phone several times a day with a select group of very powerful Wall Street bankers, especially Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs. He will talk to them when Members of Congress have to leave a message on the answering machine.

The interviewees make a strong case that the bankers (particularly the 4 Horsemen) have taken over our government in a financial coup d’etat.

I figure Obama is in one of 3 spots:

1: Bankers showed him 4 bullets and told him that was the retirement package for him and his family if he didn’t do what they say.

2: Bankers slipped into his cabinet and are feeding him a line of BS a mile deep and he doesn’t have a clue.

or 3: He has been in bed with them all along.

If (3), I bet on a revolution in this country at some point.

Thanks to Mish for linking this.[/quote]

Or… They brought him into a dark smokey room and showed him the JFK assassination from an angle never scene before. Then asked “Any questions”?

[Arraya]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]Mandatory Reading:       

BILL MOYERS: Let’s look at this story that I just read from the Associated Press this week about how Treasury Secretary Geithner is on the phone several times a day with a select group of very powerful Wall Street bankers, especially Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs. He will talk to them when Members of Congress have to leave a message on the answering machine.

The interviewees make a strong case that the bankers (particularly the 4 Horsemen) have taken over our government in a financial coup d’etat.

I figure Obama is in one of 3 spots:

1: Bankers showed him 4 bullets and told him that was the retirement package for him and his family if he didn’t do what they say.

2: Bankers slipped into his cabinet and are feeding him a line of BS a mile deep and he doesn’t have a clue.

or 3: He has been in bed with them all along.

If (3), I bet on a revolution in this country at some point.

Thanks to Mish for linking this.[/quote]

Or… They brought him into a dark smokey room and showed him the JFK assassination from an angle never scene before. Then asked “Any questions”?

[Arraya]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]Mandatory Reading:       

BILL MOYERS: Let’s look at this story that I just read from the Associated Press this week about how Treasury Secretary Geithner is on the phone several times a day with a select group of very powerful Wall Street bankers, especially Citigroup, J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs. He will talk to them when Members of Congress have to leave a message on the answering machine.

The interviewees make a strong case that the bankers (particularly the 4 Horsemen) have taken over our government in a financial coup d’etat.

I figure Obama is in one of 3 spots:

1: Bankers showed him 4 bullets and told him that was the retirement package for him and his family if he didn’t do what they say.

2: Bankers slipped into his cabinet and are feeding him a line of BS a mile deep and he doesn’t have a clue.

or 3: He has been in bed with them all along.

If (3), I bet on a revolution in this country at some point.

Thanks to Mish for linking this.[/quote]

Or… They brought him into a dark smokey room and showed him the JFK assassination from an angle never scene before. Then asked “Any questions”?

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