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October 13, 2009 at 5:29 PM #469210October 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM #468407
briansd1
Guest[quote=sd_matt]
You don’t seem to want to address whether or not the far left and far right think the same. Hmmmmm….[/quote]Yes, they are the same in many ways.
But the left is more anchored in reality and the pragmatic needs of human beings and other living matter on earth.
The right is obsessed with God and the afterlife. The right has set the moral bar so high for themselves that they always sound like hypocrites when they fail to set the example.
Abortion. The left wants women to chose no matter what. The right believes that God calls upon them to ban abortion.
Gay marriage. The left believe that gay people deserve equal protection and should be able to marry if that makes them happy. How does that affect straight marriages? The right thinks that God did not intent same sex marriage.
With the right, it’s always about God and eternal damnation.
October 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM #468591Guest[quote=sd_matt]
You don’t seem to want to address whether or not the far left and far right think the same. Hmmmmm….[/quote]Yes, they are the same in many ways.
But the left is more anchored in reality and the pragmatic needs of human beings and other living matter on earth.
The right is obsessed with God and the afterlife. The right has set the moral bar so high for themselves that they always sound like hypocrites when they fail to set the example.
Abortion. The left wants women to chose no matter what. The right believes that God calls upon them to ban abortion.
Gay marriage. The left believe that gay people deserve equal protection and should be able to marry if that makes them happy. How does that affect straight marriages? The right thinks that God did not intent same sex marriage.
With the right, it’s always about God and eternal damnation.
October 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM #468951Guest[quote=sd_matt]
You don’t seem to want to address whether or not the far left and far right think the same. Hmmmmm….[/quote]Yes, they are the same in many ways.
But the left is more anchored in reality and the pragmatic needs of human beings and other living matter on earth.
The right is obsessed with God and the afterlife. The right has set the moral bar so high for themselves that they always sound like hypocrites when they fail to set the example.
Abortion. The left wants women to chose no matter what. The right believes that God calls upon them to ban abortion.
Gay marriage. The left believe that gay people deserve equal protection and should be able to marry if that makes them happy. How does that affect straight marriages? The right thinks that God did not intent same sex marriage.
With the right, it’s always about God and eternal damnation.
October 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM #469022Guest[quote=sd_matt]
You don’t seem to want to address whether or not the far left and far right think the same. Hmmmmm….[/quote]Yes, they are the same in many ways.
But the left is more anchored in reality and the pragmatic needs of human beings and other living matter on earth.
The right is obsessed with God and the afterlife. The right has set the moral bar so high for themselves that they always sound like hypocrites when they fail to set the example.
Abortion. The left wants women to chose no matter what. The right believes that God calls upon them to ban abortion.
Gay marriage. The left believe that gay people deserve equal protection and should be able to marry if that makes them happy. How does that affect straight marriages? The right thinks that God did not intent same sex marriage.
With the right, it’s always about God and eternal damnation.
October 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM #469235Guest[quote=sd_matt]
You don’t seem to want to address whether or not the far left and far right think the same. Hmmmmm….[/quote]Yes, they are the same in many ways.
But the left is more anchored in reality and the pragmatic needs of human beings and other living matter on earth.
The right is obsessed with God and the afterlife. The right has set the moral bar so high for themselves that they always sound like hypocrites when they fail to set the example.
Abortion. The left wants women to chose no matter what. The right believes that God calls upon them to ban abortion.
Gay marriage. The left believe that gay people deserve equal protection and should be able to marry if that makes them happy. How does that affect straight marriages? The right thinks that God did not intent same sex marriage.
With the right, it’s always about God and eternal damnation.
October 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM #468412GuestCricketOnTheHearth, it might come as a surprise to the conservative base that despite all the lip service by leading Republican lawmakers, most Republicans are in support of the bailout programs.
All you have to do is talk to the real estate contractors who live in San Diego. They are Republicans and all hope for more government action to save them from failure.
It’s not too different from Republican Kansan farmers wanting more farm subsidies.
When it comes to money, ideology goes out the window real quick.
October 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM #468596GuestCricketOnTheHearth, it might come as a surprise to the conservative base that despite all the lip service by leading Republican lawmakers, most Republicans are in support of the bailout programs.
All you have to do is talk to the real estate contractors who live in San Diego. They are Republicans and all hope for more government action to save them from failure.
It’s not too different from Republican Kansan farmers wanting more farm subsidies.
When it comes to money, ideology goes out the window real quick.
October 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM #468956GuestCricketOnTheHearth, it might come as a surprise to the conservative base that despite all the lip service by leading Republican lawmakers, most Republicans are in support of the bailout programs.
All you have to do is talk to the real estate contractors who live in San Diego. They are Republicans and all hope for more government action to save them from failure.
It’s not too different from Republican Kansan farmers wanting more farm subsidies.
When it comes to money, ideology goes out the window real quick.
October 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM #469027GuestCricketOnTheHearth, it might come as a surprise to the conservative base that despite all the lip service by leading Republican lawmakers, most Republicans are in support of the bailout programs.
All you have to do is talk to the real estate contractors who live in San Diego. They are Republicans and all hope for more government action to save them from failure.
It’s not too different from Republican Kansan farmers wanting more farm subsidies.
When it comes to money, ideology goes out the window real quick.
October 13, 2009 at 6:49 PM #469240GuestCricketOnTheHearth, it might come as a surprise to the conservative base that despite all the lip service by leading Republican lawmakers, most Republicans are in support of the bailout programs.
All you have to do is talk to the real estate contractors who live in San Diego. They are Republicans and all hope for more government action to save them from failure.
It’s not too different from Republican Kansan farmers wanting more farm subsidies.
When it comes to money, ideology goes out the window real quick.
October 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM #468422surveyor
Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=surveyor][quote=Arraya]If we “won” Vietnam, would anything be different? What would we have won, bragging rights?[/quote]
Bin Ladin said specifically that when he studied American history, that he concluded that America was a paper tiger, that if you bloody its nose, it would run away.
He got that lesson from Vietnam.[/quote]
Do you have a link for that quote because it sounds like a right-wing myth. Here is the only OBL vietnam quote I could find.
[/quote]So just because it contradicts your world view you think it’s a right-wing myth?
Sorry that the facts get in the way. Even from your quote it was obvious that bin Ladin studied history. He may have a sick view of it, but he did study it.
From an interview in 1998:
http://www.meforum.org/435/usama-bin-ladin-american-soldiers-are-paper-tigers
“Bin Ladin: After God honored us with victory in Afghanistan, and justice prevailed against those who slaughtered millions of Muslims in the Muslim republics, Muslim minds no longer believed in the myth of superpowers. The youth no longer saw America as a superpower.After leaving Afghanistan they headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle, thinking that the Americans were like the Russians. They were surprised when the Americans entered with 300,000 troops, and collected other troops from around the world-5,000 from Pakistan, 5,000 from India, 5,000 from Bangladesh, 5,000 from Egypt, Senegal, and others like Saudi Arabia. The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the America soldiers are paper tigers. After a few blows, the Americans ran away in defeat.
After a few blows, they forgot about being the world leader and the leader of the new world order. They left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat, and stopped using such titles. They learned in America that this name [i.e., God] is larger than them.
When this great defeat took place I was in Sudan, and it pleased me very much, just as it pleases all Muslims. God willing, the next victory will be in Hijaz and Najd, [provinces of] Saudi Arabia, and it will cause Americans to forget the horrors of Vietnam and Beirut.”
So realize whatever you feel about how the war started and who started it, there will be huge repercussions based on how it is resolved. If the U.S. leaves Afghanistan and Iraq in shame, then the muslim world will have won a tremendous victory against the great satan. This will result in a huge rallying cry that will increase alQaeda’s popularity and recruitment drive. It will increase attacks against the U.S. and all its allies, esp. Israel.
October 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM #468606Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=surveyor][quote=Arraya]If we “won” Vietnam, would anything be different? What would we have won, bragging rights?[/quote]
Bin Ladin said specifically that when he studied American history, that he concluded that America was a paper tiger, that if you bloody its nose, it would run away.
He got that lesson from Vietnam.[/quote]
Do you have a link for that quote because it sounds like a right-wing myth. Here is the only OBL vietnam quote I could find.
[/quote]So just because it contradicts your world view you think it’s a right-wing myth?
Sorry that the facts get in the way. Even from your quote it was obvious that bin Ladin studied history. He may have a sick view of it, but he did study it.
From an interview in 1998:
http://www.meforum.org/435/usama-bin-ladin-american-soldiers-are-paper-tigers
“Bin Ladin: After God honored us with victory in Afghanistan, and justice prevailed against those who slaughtered millions of Muslims in the Muslim republics, Muslim minds no longer believed in the myth of superpowers. The youth no longer saw America as a superpower.After leaving Afghanistan they headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle, thinking that the Americans were like the Russians. They were surprised when the Americans entered with 300,000 troops, and collected other troops from around the world-5,000 from Pakistan, 5,000 from India, 5,000 from Bangladesh, 5,000 from Egypt, Senegal, and others like Saudi Arabia. The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the America soldiers are paper tigers. After a few blows, the Americans ran away in defeat.
After a few blows, they forgot about being the world leader and the leader of the new world order. They left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat, and stopped using such titles. They learned in America that this name [i.e., God] is larger than them.
When this great defeat took place I was in Sudan, and it pleased me very much, just as it pleases all Muslims. God willing, the next victory will be in Hijaz and Najd, [provinces of] Saudi Arabia, and it will cause Americans to forget the horrors of Vietnam and Beirut.”
So realize whatever you feel about how the war started and who started it, there will be huge repercussions based on how it is resolved. If the U.S. leaves Afghanistan and Iraq in shame, then the muslim world will have won a tremendous victory against the great satan. This will result in a huge rallying cry that will increase alQaeda’s popularity and recruitment drive. It will increase attacks against the U.S. and all its allies, esp. Israel.
October 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM #468966Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=surveyor][quote=Arraya]If we “won” Vietnam, would anything be different? What would we have won, bragging rights?[/quote]
Bin Ladin said specifically that when he studied American history, that he concluded that America was a paper tiger, that if you bloody its nose, it would run away.
He got that lesson from Vietnam.[/quote]
Do you have a link for that quote because it sounds like a right-wing myth. Here is the only OBL vietnam quote I could find.
[/quote]So just because it contradicts your world view you think it’s a right-wing myth?
Sorry that the facts get in the way. Even from your quote it was obvious that bin Ladin studied history. He may have a sick view of it, but he did study it.
From an interview in 1998:
http://www.meforum.org/435/usama-bin-ladin-american-soldiers-are-paper-tigers
“Bin Ladin: After God honored us with victory in Afghanistan, and justice prevailed against those who slaughtered millions of Muslims in the Muslim republics, Muslim minds no longer believed in the myth of superpowers. The youth no longer saw America as a superpower.After leaving Afghanistan they headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle, thinking that the Americans were like the Russians. They were surprised when the Americans entered with 300,000 troops, and collected other troops from around the world-5,000 from Pakistan, 5,000 from India, 5,000 from Bangladesh, 5,000 from Egypt, Senegal, and others like Saudi Arabia. The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the America soldiers are paper tigers. After a few blows, the Americans ran away in defeat.
After a few blows, they forgot about being the world leader and the leader of the new world order. They left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat, and stopped using such titles. They learned in America that this name [i.e., God] is larger than them.
When this great defeat took place I was in Sudan, and it pleased me very much, just as it pleases all Muslims. God willing, the next victory will be in Hijaz and Najd, [provinces of] Saudi Arabia, and it will cause Americans to forget the horrors of Vietnam and Beirut.”
So realize whatever you feel about how the war started and who started it, there will be huge repercussions based on how it is resolved. If the U.S. leaves Afghanistan and Iraq in shame, then the muslim world will have won a tremendous victory against the great satan. This will result in a huge rallying cry that will increase alQaeda’s popularity and recruitment drive. It will increase attacks against the U.S. and all its allies, esp. Israel.
October 13, 2009 at 6:56 PM #469037Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=surveyor][quote=Arraya]If we “won” Vietnam, would anything be different? What would we have won, bragging rights?[/quote]
Bin Ladin said specifically that when he studied American history, that he concluded that America was a paper tiger, that if you bloody its nose, it would run away.
He got that lesson from Vietnam.[/quote]
Do you have a link for that quote because it sounds like a right-wing myth. Here is the only OBL vietnam quote I could find.
[/quote]So just because it contradicts your world view you think it’s a right-wing myth?
Sorry that the facts get in the way. Even from your quote it was obvious that bin Ladin studied history. He may have a sick view of it, but he did study it.
From an interview in 1998:
http://www.meforum.org/435/usama-bin-ladin-american-soldiers-are-paper-tigers
“Bin Ladin: After God honored us with victory in Afghanistan, and justice prevailed against those who slaughtered millions of Muslims in the Muslim republics, Muslim minds no longer believed in the myth of superpowers. The youth no longer saw America as a superpower.After leaving Afghanistan they headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle, thinking that the Americans were like the Russians. They were surprised when the Americans entered with 300,000 troops, and collected other troops from around the world-5,000 from Pakistan, 5,000 from India, 5,000 from Bangladesh, 5,000 from Egypt, Senegal, and others like Saudi Arabia. The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the America soldiers are paper tigers. After a few blows, the Americans ran away in defeat.
After a few blows, they forgot about being the world leader and the leader of the new world order. They left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat, and stopped using such titles. They learned in America that this name [i.e., God] is larger than them.
When this great defeat took place I was in Sudan, and it pleased me very much, just as it pleases all Muslims. God willing, the next victory will be in Hijaz and Najd, [provinces of] Saudi Arabia, and it will cause Americans to forget the horrors of Vietnam and Beirut.”
So realize whatever you feel about how the war started and who started it, there will be huge repercussions based on how it is resolved. If the U.S. leaves Afghanistan and Iraq in shame, then the muslim world will have won a tremendous victory against the great satan. This will result in a huge rallying cry that will increase alQaeda’s popularity and recruitment drive. It will increase attacks against the U.S. and all its allies, esp. Israel.
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