Obama gets peace prize for not being Bush!

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[quote=briansd1]

I said that cons are blaming Obama for screwing wars that were already screwed up beyond repair.

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They were blaming him for the economy before he took office, what do you want.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen wrote:
almost like the scenario during the last Iraq war.. so we won, now what.. no real good plan for the population of Iraq)

Sounds like nation building. I though that we weren’t going to do that after Kosovo anymore.

Quote is out of context
You are arguing the nits here and ignoring the points. If you go and attack a country and take out its government and military, you have a responsibility to make sure its people are safe. By taking out their military and government, you have created a power vacuum that many exploitative elements(including neighboring countries now that the attacked country does not have an effective military and government) would like to fill. As the ‘attacker’, you have put the people of that country at risk of these elements.
If you are not willing to help ensure the populace remains safe, reconsider the original attack. If you have already committed the attack, follow through with the security of the populace.

If Obama is doing what Bush would have done, then what is the Republican beef?

We, progressives, should be upset.

No beef… as I pointed out.. Conservatives are pointing out that there is really no real change, other than more government in our lives.. and Obama presented himself as ‘yes we can’ to change! The only change the Conservatives are seeing is a further buildup in Afghanistan, a country that really has no tactical value. If you are going to expend money and lives, make it count!

So does it mean that we are sending our men and resources to protect European interests? Wouldn’t that make us gullible?

You said it.. not I…
Though protecting European interest does eventually trickle down to us (stabilizing oil prices in the long run, general foreign market balance). Might be interesting to see the squawking from the Euro block if their oil price goes through the roof. Then they will want us to do something. Right now, it is easier for them to condemn us. The only EU country set up enough to run without foreign oil is France(nuclear) and Norway(oil – they have their own). The second problem of not stabilizing oil is that it would allow Russia a bigger voice in the future of the EU.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen wrote:
almost like the scenario during the last Iraq war.. so we won, now what.. no real good plan for the population of Iraq)

Sounds like nation building. I though that we weren’t going to do that after Kosovo anymore.

Quote is out of context
You are arguing the nits here and ignoring the points. If you go and attack a country and take out its government and military, you have a responsibility to make sure its people are safe. By taking out their military and government, you have created a power vacuum that many exploitative elements(including neighboring countries now that the attacked country does not have an effective military and government) would like to fill. As the ‘attacker’, you have put the people of that country at risk of these elements.
If you are not willing to help ensure the populace remains safe, reconsider the original attack. If you have already committed the attack, follow through with the security of the populace.

If Obama is doing what Bush would have done, then what is the Republican beef?

We, progressives, should be upset.

No beef… as I pointed out.. Conservatives are pointing out that there is really no real change, other than more government in our lives.. and Obama presented himself as ‘yes we can’ to change! The only change the Conservatives are seeing is a further buildup in Afghanistan, a country that really has no tactical value. If you are going to expend money and lives, make it count!

So does it mean that we are sending our men and resources to protect European interests? Wouldn’t that make us gullible?

You said it.. not I…
Though protecting European interest does eventually trickle down to us (stabilizing oil prices in the long run, general foreign market balance). Might be interesting to see the squawking from the Euro block if their oil price goes through the roof. Then they will want us to do something. Right now, it is easier for them to condemn us. The only EU country set up enough to run without foreign oil is France(nuclear) and Norway(oil – they have their own). The second problem of not stabilizing oil is that it would allow Russia a bigger voice in the future of the EU.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen wrote:
almost like the scenario during the last Iraq war.. so we won, now what.. no real good plan for the population of Iraq)

Sounds like nation building. I though that we weren’t going to do that after Kosovo anymore.

Quote is out of context
You are arguing the nits here and ignoring the points. If you go and attack a country and take out its government and military, you have a responsibility to make sure its people are safe. By taking out their military and government, you have created a power vacuum that many exploitative elements(including neighboring countries now that the attacked country does not have an effective military and government) would like to fill. As the ‘attacker’, you have put the people of that country at risk of these elements.
If you are not willing to help ensure the populace remains safe, reconsider the original attack. If you have already committed the attack, follow through with the security of the populace.

If Obama is doing what Bush would have done, then what is the Republican beef?

We, progressives, should be upset.

No beef… as I pointed out.. Conservatives are pointing out that there is really no real change, other than more government in our lives.. and Obama presented himself as ‘yes we can’ to change! The only change the Conservatives are seeing is a further buildup in Afghanistan, a country that really has no tactical value. If you are going to expend money and lives, make it count!

So does it mean that we are sending our men and resources to protect European interests? Wouldn’t that make us gullible?

You said it.. not I…
Though protecting European interest does eventually trickle down to us (stabilizing oil prices in the long run, general foreign market balance). Might be interesting to see the squawking from the Euro block if their oil price goes through the roof. Then they will want us to do something. Right now, it is easier for them to condemn us. The only EU country set up enough to run without foreign oil is France(nuclear) and Norway(oil – they have their own). The second problem of not stabilizing oil is that it would allow Russia a bigger voice in the future of the EU.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen wrote:
almost like the scenario during the last Iraq war.. so we won, now what.. no real good plan for the population of Iraq)

Sounds like nation building. I though that we weren’t going to do that after Kosovo anymore.

Quote is out of context
You are arguing the nits here and ignoring the points. If you go and attack a country and take out its government and military, you have a responsibility to make sure its people are safe. By taking out their military and government, you have created a power vacuum that many exploitative elements(including neighboring countries now that the attacked country does not have an effective military and government) would like to fill. As the ‘attacker’, you have put the people of that country at risk of these elements.
If you are not willing to help ensure the populace remains safe, reconsider the original attack. If you have already committed the attack, follow through with the security of the populace.

If Obama is doing what Bush would have done, then what is the Republican beef?

We, progressives, should be upset.

No beef… as I pointed out.. Conservatives are pointing out that there is really no real change, other than more government in our lives.. and Obama presented himself as ‘yes we can’ to change! The only change the Conservatives are seeing is a further buildup in Afghanistan, a country that really has no tactical value. If you are going to expend money and lives, make it count!

So does it mean that we are sending our men and resources to protect European interests? Wouldn’t that make us gullible?

You said it.. not I…
Though protecting European interest does eventually trickle down to us (stabilizing oil prices in the long run, general foreign market balance). Might be interesting to see the squawking from the Euro block if their oil price goes through the roof. Then they will want us to do something. Right now, it is easier for them to condemn us. The only EU country set up enough to run without foreign oil is France(nuclear) and Norway(oil – they have their own). The second problem of not stabilizing oil is that it would allow Russia a bigger voice in the future of the EU.

[ucodegen]

ucodegen wrote:
almost like the scenario during the last Iraq war.. so we won, now what.. no real good plan for the population of Iraq)

Sounds like nation building. I though that we weren’t going to do that after Kosovo anymore.

Quote is out of context
You are arguing the nits here and ignoring the points. If you go and attack a country and take out its government and military, you have a responsibility to make sure its people are safe. By taking out their military and government, you have created a power vacuum that many exploitative elements(including neighboring countries now that the attacked country does not have an effective military and government) would like to fill. As the ‘attacker’, you have put the people of that country at risk of these elements.
If you are not willing to help ensure the populace remains safe, reconsider the original attack. If you have already committed the attack, follow through with the security of the populace.

If Obama is doing what Bush would have done, then what is the Republican beef?

We, progressives, should be upset.

No beef… as I pointed out.. Conservatives are pointing out that there is really no real change, other than more government in our lives.. and Obama presented himself as ‘yes we can’ to change! The only change the Conservatives are seeing is a further buildup in Afghanistan, a country that really has no tactical value. If you are going to expend money and lives, make it count!

So does it mean that we are sending our men and resources to protect European interests? Wouldn’t that make us gullible?

You said it.. not I…
Though protecting European interest does eventually trickle down to us (stabilizing oil prices in the long run, general foreign market balance). Might be interesting to see the squawking from the Euro block if their oil price goes through the roof. Then they will want us to do something. Right now, it is easier for them to condemn us. The only EU country set up enough to run without foreign oil is France(nuclear) and Norway(oil – they have their own). The second problem of not stabilizing oil is that it would allow Russia a bigger voice in the future of the EU.

[sd_matt]

“I concede that I’m being black and white at times… but all in good fun.;)”

Mmm hmmm.

“I said that cons are blaming Obama for screwing wars that were already screwed up beyond repair.”

Ok I’ll go back and read it.

Intellectually honest? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Either side? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Do you see any similarities between the War on Drugs and Gun control?

What about Abortion (left view) and Gay Marraige (right view)? Think about this one strictly in terms of empathy. Let me repeat this….only in terms of empathy. Putting yourself in someone else’s shoes.

As for Barry it is double lose mostly because he apparently has disregarded his expensive Ivy-League education and surrounded himself with ideologues.

[sd_matt]

“I concede that I’m being black and white at times… but all in good fun.;)”

Mmm hmmm.

“I said that cons are blaming Obama for screwing wars that were already screwed up beyond repair.”

Ok I’ll go back and read it.

Intellectually honest? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Either side? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Do you see any similarities between the War on Drugs and Gun control?

What about Abortion (left view) and Gay Marraige (right view)? Think about this one strictly in terms of empathy. Let me repeat this….only in terms of empathy. Putting yourself in someone else’s shoes.

As for Barry it is double lose mostly because he apparently has disregarded his expensive Ivy-League education and surrounded himself with ideologues.

[sd_matt]

“I concede that I’m being black and white at times… but all in good fun.;)”

Mmm hmmm.

“I said that cons are blaming Obama for screwing wars that were already screwed up beyond repair.”

Ok I’ll go back and read it.

Intellectually honest? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Either side? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Do you see any similarities between the War on Drugs and Gun control?

What about Abortion (left view) and Gay Marraige (right view)? Think about this one strictly in terms of empathy. Let me repeat this….only in terms of empathy. Putting yourself in someone else’s shoes.

As for Barry it is double lose mostly because he apparently has disregarded his expensive Ivy-League education and surrounded himself with ideologues.

[sd_matt]

“I concede that I’m being black and white at times… but all in good fun.;)”

Mmm hmmm.

“I said that cons are blaming Obama for screwing wars that were already screwed up beyond repair.”

Ok I’ll go back and read it.

Intellectually honest? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Either side? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Do you see any similarities between the War on Drugs and Gun control?

What about Abortion (left view) and Gay Marraige (right view)? Think about this one strictly in terms of empathy. Let me repeat this….only in terms of empathy. Putting yourself in someone else’s shoes.

As for Barry it is double lose mostly because he apparently has disregarded his expensive Ivy-League education and surrounded himself with ideologues.

[sd_matt]

“I concede that I’m being black and white at times… but all in good fun.;)”

Mmm hmmm.

“I said that cons are blaming Obama for screwing wars that were already screwed up beyond repair.”

Ok I’ll go back and read it.

Intellectually honest? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Either side? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Do you see any similarities between the War on Drugs and Gun control?

What about Abortion (left view) and Gay Marraige (right view)? Think about this one strictly in terms of empathy. Let me repeat this….only in terms of empathy. Putting yourself in someone else’s shoes.

As for Barry it is double lose mostly because he apparently has disregarded his expensive Ivy-League education and surrounded himself with ideologues.

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]If you go and attack a country and take out its government and military, you have a responsibility to make sure its people are safe. By taking out their military and government, you have created a power vacuum
[/quote]

I thought that we were the liberators of the Iraqi people. Remember the parades of flowers and candy?

Since when did we become the attackers?

[quote=ucodegen]
Though protecting European interest does eventually trickle down to us [/quote]

Oh, ok. Trickle down protection. I’m sure the Europeans love that. We protect them first and some benefits trickle down to us. Why should they lift a finger when we are doing the lifting?

I thought that conservatives believed that our national interests should take first priority.

[quote=ucodegen]
Might be interesting to see the squawking from the Euro block if their oil price goes through the roof. Then they will want us to do something. Right now, it is easier for them to condemn us. [/quote]

So why are we doing all the hard work for the Europeans who don’t appreciate us? So we bitch about their bitching. Our men are dying and our treasure is being spent. Not theirs.

Remember the conservatives’ point on welfare? Never make it an entitlement and you can’t save people despite themselves.

If the Europeans feels that security welfare is an entitlement, then they have no incentives but to sit on their asses and collect the welfare. They don’t even pay taxes for that welfare. What a great deal for them!

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]If you go and attack a country and take out its government and military, you have a responsibility to make sure its people are safe. By taking out their military and government, you have created a power vacuum
[/quote]

I thought that we were the liberators of the Iraqi people. Remember the parades of flowers and candy?

Since when did we become the attackers?

[quote=ucodegen]
Though protecting European interest does eventually trickle down to us [/quote]

Oh, ok. Trickle down protection. I’m sure the Europeans love that. We protect them first and some benefits trickle down to us. Why should they lift a finger when we are doing the lifting?

I thought that conservatives believed that our national interests should take first priority.

[quote=ucodegen]
Might be interesting to see the squawking from the Euro block if their oil price goes through the roof. Then they will want us to do something. Right now, it is easier for them to condemn us. [/quote]

So why are we doing all the hard work for the Europeans who don’t appreciate us? So we bitch about their bitching. Our men are dying and our treasure is being spent. Not theirs.

Remember the conservatives’ point on welfare? Never make it an entitlement and you can’t save people despite themselves.

If the Europeans feels that security welfare is an entitlement, then they have no incentives but to sit on their asses and collect the welfare. They don’t even pay taxes for that welfare. What a great deal for them!

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]If you go and attack a country and take out its government and military, you have a responsibility to make sure its people are safe. By taking out their military and government, you have created a power vacuum
[/quote]

I thought that we were the liberators of the Iraqi people. Remember the parades of flowers and candy?

Since when did we become the attackers?

[quote=ucodegen]
Though protecting European interest does eventually trickle down to us [/quote]

Oh, ok. Trickle down protection. I’m sure the Europeans love that. We protect them first and some benefits trickle down to us. Why should they lift a finger when we are doing the lifting?

I thought that conservatives believed that our national interests should take first priority.

[quote=ucodegen]
Might be interesting to see the squawking from the Euro block if their oil price goes through the roof. Then they will want us to do something. Right now, it is easier for them to condemn us. [/quote]

So why are we doing all the hard work for the Europeans who don’t appreciate us? So we bitch about their bitching. Our men are dying and our treasure is being spent. Not theirs.

Remember the conservatives’ point on welfare? Never make it an entitlement and you can’t save people despite themselves.

If the Europeans feels that security welfare is an entitlement, then they have no incentives but to sit on their asses and collect the welfare. They don’t even pay taxes for that welfare. What a great deal for them!

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]If you go and attack a country and take out its government and military, you have a responsibility to make sure its people are safe. By taking out their military and government, you have created a power vacuum
[/quote]

I thought that we were the liberators of the Iraqi people. Remember the parades of flowers and candy?

Since when did we become the attackers?

[quote=ucodegen]
Though protecting European interest does eventually trickle down to us [/quote]

Oh, ok. Trickle down protection. I’m sure the Europeans love that. We protect them first and some benefits trickle down to us. Why should they lift a finger when we are doing the lifting?

I thought that conservatives believed that our national interests should take first priority.

[quote=ucodegen]
Might be interesting to see the squawking from the Euro block if their oil price goes through the roof. Then they will want us to do something. Right now, it is easier for them to condemn us. [/quote]

So why are we doing all the hard work for the Europeans who don’t appreciate us? So we bitch about their bitching. Our men are dying and our treasure is being spent. Not theirs.

Remember the conservatives’ point on welfare? Never make it an entitlement and you can’t save people despite themselves.

If the Europeans feels that security welfare is an entitlement, then they have no incentives but to sit on their asses and collect the welfare. They don’t even pay taxes for that welfare. What a great deal for them!

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