Obama’s accomplishments so far

[scaredyclassic]

well, by the logic of of, Obama’s not responsible, it’s the thousands of others who get credit, then, well, what would a president be able to be responsible for or take credit for? Probably close to nothing, since there’s very little he actually does. i don’t have a problem with that. just don’t blame or take credit for anything or expect anything but a few decisions that may or may not have unintended consequences.

what is a “maroon” anyway. did bugs bunny make that up or is there actually a maroon?

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Obama wants to advance his own vote buying program (“advancing a progressive economic and social agenda”), while the Republicans wish to advance their own vote buying agenda (tax cuts for the wealthy and supporting Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money). Hence the gridlock in D.C. we’re presently experiencing.
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I suppose would could look at it your way — each party has a vote buying program.

Perhaps voters ought to hold their elected offices to their campaign promises.

The interesting thing is that, in a democracy, each person equals one vote.

Are there enough wealthy voters in America to elect Republicancs? (Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money are not voters, remember?).

We could arguably say that democratic voters are getting value for their votes (as they should in any fair buy/sell transaction).

I fail to see how middle income and low income voters, especially in the Red States, on the Republican side, are getting value for their votes.

It’s clear that, on the right, the uber wealthy, big business, big oil and big money have bought a vast political machinery of of voter deception.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Obama wants to advance his own vote buying program (“advancing a progressive economic and social agenda”), while the Republicans wish to advance their own vote buying agenda (tax cuts for the wealthy and supporting Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money). Hence the gridlock in D.C. we’re presently experiencing.
[/quote]

I suppose would could look at it your way — each party has a vote buying program.

Perhaps voters ought to hold their elected offices to their campaign promises.

The interesting thing is that, in a democracy, each person equals one vote.

Are there enough wealthy voters in America to elect Republicancs? (Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money are not voters, remember?).

We could arguably say that democratic voters are getting value for their votes (as they should in any fair buy/sell transaction).

I fail to see how middle income and low income voters, especially in the Red States, on the Republican side, are getting value for their votes.

It’s clear that, on the right, the uber wealthy, big business, big oil and big money have bought a vast political machinery of of voter deception.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Obama wants to advance his own vote buying program (“advancing a progressive economic and social agenda”), while the Republicans wish to advance their own vote buying agenda (tax cuts for the wealthy and supporting Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money). Hence the gridlock in D.C. we’re presently experiencing.
[/quote]

I suppose would could look at it your way — each party has a vote buying program.

Perhaps voters ought to hold their elected offices to their campaign promises.

The interesting thing is that, in a democracy, each person equals one vote.

Are there enough wealthy voters in America to elect Republicancs? (Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money are not voters, remember?).

We could arguably say that democratic voters are getting value for their votes (as they should in any fair buy/sell transaction).

I fail to see how middle income and low income voters, especially in the Red States, on the Republican side, are getting value for their votes.

It’s clear that, on the right, the uber wealthy, big business, big oil and big money have bought a vast political machinery of of voter deception.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Obama wants to advance his own vote buying program (“advancing a progressive economic and social agenda”), while the Republicans wish to advance their own vote buying agenda (tax cuts for the wealthy and supporting Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money). Hence the gridlock in D.C. we’re presently experiencing.
[/quote]

I suppose would could look at it your way — each party has a vote buying program.

Perhaps voters ought to hold their elected offices to their campaign promises.

The interesting thing is that, in a democracy, each person equals one vote.

Are there enough wealthy voters in America to elect Republicancs? (Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money are not voters, remember?).

We could arguably say that democratic voters are getting value for their votes (as they should in any fair buy/sell transaction).

I fail to see how middle income and low income voters, especially in the Red States, on the Republican side, are getting value for their votes.

It’s clear that, on the right, the uber wealthy, big business, big oil and big money have bought a vast political machinery of of voter deception.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Obama wants to advance his own vote buying program (“advancing a progressive economic and social agenda”), while the Republicans wish to advance their own vote buying agenda (tax cuts for the wealthy and supporting Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money). Hence the gridlock in D.C. we’re presently experiencing.
[/quote]

I suppose would could look at it your way — each party has a vote buying program.

Perhaps voters ought to hold their elected offices to their campaign promises.

The interesting thing is that, in a democracy, each person equals one vote.

Are there enough wealthy voters in America to elect Republicancs? (Big Business, Big Oil and Big Money are not voters, remember?).

We could arguably say that democratic voters are getting value for their votes (as they should in any fair buy/sell transaction).

I fail to see how middle income and low income voters, especially in the Red States, on the Republican side, are getting value for their votes.

It’s clear that, on the right, the uber wealthy, big business, big oil and big money have bought a vast political machinery of of voter deception.

[scaredyclassic]

my dad was always kind of amused at how people he knew would directly vote against their current financial interests. He said they were all expecting to be rich in the future and didn’t want to have to pay extra taxes. this made him laugh. they can always switch to become republicans after they hit it big, he said.

not saying that voting your interests is good, or even that you can necessarily know your interests. but it is kind of amusing that people in the USA all expect to have tax problems from large source sof income shortly…statsitically, this is not going to be a major problem for most people…

[scaredyclassic]

my dad was always kind of amused at how people he knew would directly vote against their current financial interests. He said they were all expecting to be rich in the future and didn’t want to have to pay extra taxes. this made him laugh. they can always switch to become republicans after they hit it big, he said.

not saying that voting your interests is good, or even that you can necessarily know your interests. but it is kind of amusing that people in the USA all expect to have tax problems from large source sof income shortly…statsitically, this is not going to be a major problem for most people…

[scaredyclassic]

my dad was always kind of amused at how people he knew would directly vote against their current financial interests. He said they were all expecting to be rich in the future and didn’t want to have to pay extra taxes. this made him laugh. they can always switch to become republicans after they hit it big, he said.

not saying that voting your interests is good, or even that you can necessarily know your interests. but it is kind of amusing that people in the USA all expect to have tax problems from large source sof income shortly…statsitically, this is not going to be a major problem for most people…

[scaredyclassic]

my dad was always kind of amused at how people he knew would directly vote against their current financial interests. He said they were all expecting to be rich in the future and didn’t want to have to pay extra taxes. this made him laugh. they can always switch to become republicans after they hit it big, he said.

not saying that voting your interests is good, or even that you can necessarily know your interests. but it is kind of amusing that people in the USA all expect to have tax problems from large source sof income shortly…statsitically, this is not going to be a major problem for most people…

[scaredyclassic]

my dad was always kind of amused at how people he knew would directly vote against their current financial interests. He said they were all expecting to be rich in the future and didn’t want to have to pay extra taxes. this made him laugh. they can always switch to become republicans after they hit it big, he said.

not saying that voting your interests is good, or even that you can necessarily know your interests. but it is kind of amusing that people in the USA all expect to have tax problems from large source sof income shortly…statsitically, this is not going to be a major problem for most people…

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1] But then Bin Laden’s death would not have been 100% certain.[/quote]

Brian: Uh, yeah, it would have. Unfortunately, so would the deaths of possibly dozens (or even hundreds) of innocent civilians in that neighborhood. You can bet your sweet patoot that they would have hosed that area with Hellfire missiles.

Relative to Obama deserving credit for the mission: Think of it as he pulled the trigger, but someone else built the gun. And, it took a long damn time to build the gun and they were building the damn gun looooong before he took office.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1] But then Bin Laden’s death would not have been 100% certain.[/quote]

Brian: Uh, yeah, it would have. Unfortunately, so would the deaths of possibly dozens (or even hundreds) of innocent civilians in that neighborhood. You can bet your sweet patoot that they would have hosed that area with Hellfire missiles.

Relative to Obama deserving credit for the mission: Think of it as he pulled the trigger, but someone else built the gun. And, it took a long damn time to build the gun and they were building the damn gun looooong before he took office.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1] But then Bin Laden’s death would not have been 100% certain.[/quote]

Brian: Uh, yeah, it would have. Unfortunately, so would the deaths of possibly dozens (or even hundreds) of innocent civilians in that neighborhood. You can bet your sweet patoot that they would have hosed that area with Hellfire missiles.

Relative to Obama deserving credit for the mission: Think of it as he pulled the trigger, but someone else built the gun. And, it took a long damn time to build the gun and they were building the damn gun looooong before he took office.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1] But then Bin Laden’s death would not have been 100% certain.[/quote]

Brian: Uh, yeah, it would have. Unfortunately, so would the deaths of possibly dozens (or even hundreds) of innocent civilians in that neighborhood. You can bet your sweet patoot that they would have hosed that area with Hellfire missiles.

Relative to Obama deserving credit for the mission: Think of it as he pulled the trigger, but someone else built the gun. And, it took a long damn time to build the gun and they were building the damn gun looooong before he took office.

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