OT: Neighborhood Deterioration – Destination Temecula

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=paramount]This past Friday morning at about 1AM I was awakened in my house by police sirens that were obviously very close by – a little to close in fact.

The next day I asked my neighbors if they knew what had gone on – they had no idea. Finally a blurb in the Press Enterprise appeared on Saturday: a man was attacked and stabbed (attempted murder?)*very* close to my house. He should recover thankfully. Isolated incident? Nope.

Last year there was a shooting in the same general area.

A list of other crimes in my area:

*(2) rapes in the last approx. 2-3 years
*Open air drug dealing
*Gang fights
*Public drunkenness
*Used condoms laying around our park bench areas
*Constant vandalism

and a long list of petty crimes.

I’m just trying to figure out – should I stay or should I go? I don’t want my kids growing up around this crap; and yet these type of things could happen anywhere…[/quote]

Sorry about all this.
It was a boring month and I had to spice it up.
I guess you were right about us Realtors.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Paramount and Temeculaguy– I think that you are both right.

Here is San Diego County’s crime-mapping website, ARJIS. I’m sorry it probably won’t do you much good up in Temecula, but it’s educational, and quite handy for those Piggs in SD County.

What I’ve observed from wandering around the maps in this site is that crime is very concentrate-y. You will get a municipality that overall is very low in crime, yet when you look at a map of it there are regions within it that seem to be hopping with crooks.

Roughly, crime seems to occur more frequently in the following areas:
-Shopping districts
-Near apartment complexes

This is not a hard-and-fast rule, especially with the apartment complexes, as I lived for 7 years in one that was virtually crime-free for the entire time.

There are also some parks, such as the one in the center of Mira Mesa, which seem to have more crime, and of course whole areas which are higher in crime such as central Escondido and the area around University Avenue east of I-805.

So, Paramount, you are probably unfortunate enough to live next to one of these “crime nexuses” in otherwise low-crime Temecula. If you have an acquaintance in the local police force, they may be able (e.g. allowed) to tell you where they have many fewer calls, or perhaps Temecula/Riverside County have an ARJIS-y sort of thing themselves, I don’t know.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Paramount and Temeculaguy– I think that you are both right.

Here is San Diego County’s crime-mapping website, ARJIS. I’m sorry it probably won’t do you much good up in Temecula, but it’s educational, and quite handy for those Piggs in SD County.

What I’ve observed from wandering around the maps in this site is that crime is very concentrate-y. You will get a municipality that overall is very low in crime, yet when you look at a map of it there are regions within it that seem to be hopping with crooks.

Roughly, crime seems to occur more frequently in the following areas:
-Shopping districts
-Near apartment complexes

This is not a hard-and-fast rule, especially with the apartment complexes, as I lived for 7 years in one that was virtually crime-free for the entire time.

There are also some parks, such as the one in the center of Mira Mesa, which seem to have more crime, and of course whole areas which are higher in crime such as central Escondido and the area around University Avenue east of I-805.

So, Paramount, you are probably unfortunate enough to live next to one of these “crime nexuses” in otherwise low-crime Temecula. If you have an acquaintance in the local police force, they may be able (e.g. allowed) to tell you where they have many fewer calls, or perhaps Temecula/Riverside County have an ARJIS-y sort of thing themselves, I don’t know.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Paramount and Temeculaguy– I think that you are both right.

Here is San Diego County’s crime-mapping website, ARJIS. I’m sorry it probably won’t do you much good up in Temecula, but it’s educational, and quite handy for those Piggs in SD County.

What I’ve observed from wandering around the maps in this site is that crime is very concentrate-y. You will get a municipality that overall is very low in crime, yet when you look at a map of it there are regions within it that seem to be hopping with crooks.

Roughly, crime seems to occur more frequently in the following areas:
-Shopping districts
-Near apartment complexes

This is not a hard-and-fast rule, especially with the apartment complexes, as I lived for 7 years in one that was virtually crime-free for the entire time.

There are also some parks, such as the one in the center of Mira Mesa, which seem to have more crime, and of course whole areas which are higher in crime such as central Escondido and the area around University Avenue east of I-805.

So, Paramount, you are probably unfortunate enough to live next to one of these “crime nexuses” in otherwise low-crime Temecula. If you have an acquaintance in the local police force, they may be able (e.g. allowed) to tell you where they have many fewer calls, or perhaps Temecula/Riverside County have an ARJIS-y sort of thing themselves, I don’t know.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Paramount and Temeculaguy– I think that you are both right.

Here is San Diego County’s crime-mapping website, ARJIS. I’m sorry it probably won’t do you much good up in Temecula, but it’s educational, and quite handy for those Piggs in SD County.

What I’ve observed from wandering around the maps in this site is that crime is very concentrate-y. You will get a municipality that overall is very low in crime, yet when you look at a map of it there are regions within it that seem to be hopping with crooks.

Roughly, crime seems to occur more frequently in the following areas:
-Shopping districts
-Near apartment complexes

This is not a hard-and-fast rule, especially with the apartment complexes, as I lived for 7 years in one that was virtually crime-free for the entire time.

There are also some parks, such as the one in the center of Mira Mesa, which seem to have more crime, and of course whole areas which are higher in crime such as central Escondido and the area around University Avenue east of I-805.

So, Paramount, you are probably unfortunate enough to live next to one of these “crime nexuses” in otherwise low-crime Temecula. If you have an acquaintance in the local police force, they may be able (e.g. allowed) to tell you where they have many fewer calls, or perhaps Temecula/Riverside County have an ARJIS-y sort of thing themselves, I don’t know.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

Paramount and Temeculaguy– I think that you are both right.

Here is San Diego County’s crime-mapping website, ARJIS. I’m sorry it probably won’t do you much good up in Temecula, but it’s educational, and quite handy for those Piggs in SD County.

What I’ve observed from wandering around the maps in this site is that crime is very concentrate-y. You will get a municipality that overall is very low in crime, yet when you look at a map of it there are regions within it that seem to be hopping with crooks.

Roughly, crime seems to occur more frequently in the following areas:
-Shopping districts
-Near apartment complexes

This is not a hard-and-fast rule, especially with the apartment complexes, as I lived for 7 years in one that was virtually crime-free for the entire time.

There are also some parks, such as the one in the center of Mira Mesa, which seem to have more crime, and of course whole areas which are higher in crime such as central Escondido and the area around University Avenue east of I-805.

So, Paramount, you are probably unfortunate enough to live next to one of these “crime nexuses” in otherwise low-crime Temecula. If you have an acquaintance in the local police force, they may be able (e.g. allowed) to tell you where they have many fewer calls, or perhaps Temecula/Riverside County have an ARJIS-y sort of thing themselves, I don’t know.

[paramount]

[quote=pri_dk]You live in an urban area with close to a quarter of a million people. And you think there is a high crime rate because there has been 2 rapes in the past three years? Good luck finding someplace safer.[/quote]

No, (2) rapes in the center of our single neighborhood. Plus one stabbing and last year a shooting.

To many gang fights to count, not to mention drug trafficking/dealing.

Again, just in our hood.

[paramount]

[quote=pri_dk]You live in an urban area with close to a quarter of a million people. And you think there is a high crime rate because there has been 2 rapes in the past three years? Good luck finding someplace safer.[/quote]

No, (2) rapes in the center of our single neighborhood. Plus one stabbing and last year a shooting.

To many gang fights to count, not to mention drug trafficking/dealing.

Again, just in our hood.

[paramount]

[quote=pri_dk]You live in an urban area with close to a quarter of a million people. And you think there is a high crime rate because there has been 2 rapes in the past three years? Good luck finding someplace safer.[/quote]

No, (2) rapes in the center of our single neighborhood. Plus one stabbing and last year a shooting.

To many gang fights to count, not to mention drug trafficking/dealing.

Again, just in our hood.

[paramount]

[quote=pri_dk]You live in an urban area with close to a quarter of a million people. And you think there is a high crime rate because there has been 2 rapes in the past three years? Good luck finding someplace safer.[/quote]

No, (2) rapes in the center of our single neighborhood. Plus one stabbing and last year a shooting.

To many gang fights to count, not to mention drug trafficking/dealing.

Again, just in our hood.

[paramount]

[quote=pri_dk]You live in an urban area with close to a quarter of a million people. And you think there is a high crime rate because there has been 2 rapes in the past three years? Good luck finding someplace safer.[/quote]

No, (2) rapes in the center of our single neighborhood. Plus one stabbing and last year a shooting.

To many gang fights to count, not to mention drug trafficking/dealing.

Again, just in our hood.

[svelte]

[quote=temeculaguy][quote=svelte][quote=EconProf]Along these lines….many people wrongly buy into the idea that recessions cause crime. But your cited facts belie that conclusion, as crime rates are thankfully falling most everywhere. The national crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression of the 1930s.[/quote]

This intrigues me…why do crime rates fall during recessions/depressions? It does seem counter-intuitive.[/quote]

svelte, I dont think Econ was asserting that recessions/depressions cause crime to fall, just that they do not cause it to rise, which people tend to believe. It is logical, just not factual. The last ten years of falling crime rates can mostly be attributed to technology. [/quote]

Well, he said the crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression, so I think he was saying recessions/depressions cause it to fall.

Maybe folks get out less when they have no money so they have less opportunity to commit crime? I dunno.

But I do agree with your assertion that technology is decreasing crime.

I have this theory that technology creates opportunity for crime, which gets resolved through even better technology.

Example: autos encouraged mobility which probably increased bank robberies, rapes, and obviously auto theft. Technology has now reduced those through security cameras, DNA testing, and Lojack like devices among other things.

[svelte]

[quote=temeculaguy][quote=svelte][quote=EconProf]Along these lines….many people wrongly buy into the idea that recessions cause crime. But your cited facts belie that conclusion, as crime rates are thankfully falling most everywhere. The national crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression of the 1930s.[/quote]

This intrigues me…why do crime rates fall during recessions/depressions? It does seem counter-intuitive.[/quote]

svelte, I dont think Econ was asserting that recessions/depressions cause crime to fall, just that they do not cause it to rise, which people tend to believe. It is logical, just not factual. The last ten years of falling crime rates can mostly be attributed to technology. [/quote]

Well, he said the crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression, so I think he was saying recessions/depressions cause it to fall.

Maybe folks get out less when they have no money so they have less opportunity to commit crime? I dunno.

But I do agree with your assertion that technology is decreasing crime.

I have this theory that technology creates opportunity for crime, which gets resolved through even better technology.

Example: autos encouraged mobility which probably increased bank robberies, rapes, and obviously auto theft. Technology has now reduced those through security cameras, DNA testing, and Lojack like devices among other things.

[svelte]

[quote=temeculaguy][quote=svelte][quote=EconProf]Along these lines….many people wrongly buy into the idea that recessions cause crime. But your cited facts belie that conclusion, as crime rates are thankfully falling most everywhere. The national crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression of the 1930s.[/quote]

This intrigues me…why do crime rates fall during recessions/depressions? It does seem counter-intuitive.[/quote]

svelte, I dont think Econ was asserting that recessions/depressions cause crime to fall, just that they do not cause it to rise, which people tend to believe. It is logical, just not factual. The last ten years of falling crime rates can mostly be attributed to technology. [/quote]

Well, he said the crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression, so I think he was saying recessions/depressions cause it to fall.

Maybe folks get out less when they have no money so they have less opportunity to commit crime? I dunno.

But I do agree with your assertion that technology is decreasing crime.

I have this theory that technology creates opportunity for crime, which gets resolved through even better technology.

Example: autos encouraged mobility which probably increased bank robberies, rapes, and obviously auto theft. Technology has now reduced those through security cameras, DNA testing, and Lojack like devices among other things.

[svelte]

[quote=temeculaguy][quote=svelte][quote=EconProf]Along these lines….many people wrongly buy into the idea that recessions cause crime. But your cited facts belie that conclusion, as crime rates are thankfully falling most everywhere. The national crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression of the 1930s.[/quote]

This intrigues me…why do crime rates fall during recessions/depressions? It does seem counter-intuitive.[/quote]

svelte, I dont think Econ was asserting that recessions/depressions cause crime to fall, just that they do not cause it to rise, which people tend to believe. It is logical, just not factual. The last ten years of falling crime rates can mostly be attributed to technology. [/quote]

Well, he said the crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression, so I think he was saying recessions/depressions cause it to fall.

Maybe folks get out less when they have no money so they have less opportunity to commit crime? I dunno.

But I do agree with your assertion that technology is decreasing crime.

I have this theory that technology creates opportunity for crime, which gets resolved through even better technology.

Example: autos encouraged mobility which probably increased bank robberies, rapes, and obviously auto theft. Technology has now reduced those through security cameras, DNA testing, and Lojack like devices among other things.

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