Naomi Wolf: The End of America

[drunkle]

gold’s post was nothing but ad hom. there was no substance, just character attacks. “referring to a dolt as a dolt” is just another empty ad hom.

you like ann coulter because she is an author of ad hom political attacks against liberals. simple as that.

edit:

4 years ago, i wonder if you would have labeled Rich as such:

The whackjob needs to pay her rent or at least buy food, so she writes BS books. There are a large number of failed academics and academic wanna-be’s that write books predicting the end of the world, culture, religion, freedom, whatever. It’s like listening to an over-educated carnival barker trying to separate you from your ticket just to get a glimpse of some over-hyped circus act.

after all, 4 years ago, RE was still booming, “carnival barkers” like rich and shiller and schiff were just crying wolf because they’re all bitter renters, right?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I never said I like Ann Coulter. I said she was great entertainment value. As to attacking liberals: I have no issue with liberals. I do, however, have an issue with Lefties. There is a big difference.

As to Naomi Wolf: Her scholarship is a joke, the examples cited in her book are downright laughable, and she has been routinely castigated by her more capable peers for pandering to the extreme elements in the feminist movement. With this new book, she is apparently trying to do the same with the Loony Left.

Is that an ad hom attack?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I never said I like Ann Coulter. I said she was great entertainment value. As to attacking liberals: I have no issue with liberals. I do, however, have an issue with Lefties. There is a big difference.

As to Naomi Wolf: Her scholarship is a joke, the examples cited in her book are downright laughable, and she has been routinely castigated by her more capable peers for pandering to the extreme elements in the feminist movement. With this new book, she is apparently trying to do the same with the Loony Left.

Is that an ad hom attack?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I never said I like Ann Coulter. I said she was great entertainment value. As to attacking liberals: I have no issue with liberals. I do, however, have an issue with Lefties. There is a big difference.

As to Naomi Wolf: Her scholarship is a joke, the examples cited in her book are downright laughable, and she has been routinely castigated by her more capable peers for pandering to the extreme elements in the feminist movement. With this new book, she is apparently trying to do the same with the Loony Left.

Is that an ad hom attack?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I never said I like Ann Coulter. I said she was great entertainment value. As to attacking liberals: I have no issue with liberals. I do, however, have an issue with Lefties. There is a big difference.

As to Naomi Wolf: Her scholarship is a joke, the examples cited in her book are downright laughable, and she has been routinely castigated by her more capable peers for pandering to the extreme elements in the feminist movement. With this new book, she is apparently trying to do the same with the Loony Left.

Is that an ad hom attack?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: I never said I like Ann Coulter. I said she was great entertainment value. As to attacking liberals: I have no issue with liberals. I do, however, have an issue with Lefties. There is a big difference.

As to Naomi Wolf: Her scholarship is a joke, the examples cited in her book are downright laughable, and she has been routinely castigated by her more capable peers for pandering to the extreme elements in the feminist movement. With this new book, she is apparently trying to do the same with the Loony Left.

Is that an ad hom attack?

[drunkle]

not as much as gold’s original post. certainly lacking in details, support and substance, however. but judging by his (gold’s) post in the obama thread, i’m seeing the pattern.

qwerty had a good criticism earlier in the thread, one that didn’t require ad hom. your response to his post was also far more evenly written.

[drunkle]

not as much as gold’s original post. certainly lacking in details, support and substance, however. but judging by his (gold’s) post in the obama thread, i’m seeing the pattern.

qwerty had a good criticism earlier in the thread, one that didn’t require ad hom. your response to his post was also far more evenly written.

[drunkle]

not as much as gold’s original post. certainly lacking in details, support and substance, however. but judging by his (gold’s) post in the obama thread, i’m seeing the pattern.

qwerty had a good criticism earlier in the thread, one that didn’t require ad hom. your response to his post was also far more evenly written.

[drunkle]

not as much as gold’s original post. certainly lacking in details, support and substance, however. but judging by his (gold’s) post in the obama thread, i’m seeing the pattern.

qwerty had a good criticism earlier in the thread, one that didn’t require ad hom. your response to his post was also far more evenly written.

[drunkle]

not as much as gold’s original post. certainly lacking in details, support and substance, however. but judging by his (gold’s) post in the obama thread, i’m seeing the pattern.

qwerty had a good criticism earlier in the thread, one that didn’t require ad hom. your response to his post was also far more evenly written.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Fair enough. Rather than pen some overlong response citing chapter and verse, I will confine myself to just hitting the high notes.

In her new book, Wolf uses two extremely preposterous examples as America’s new “fascist drift” and supposed totalitarian repression of “free speaking” individuals. These are Lynne Stewart, who was convicted of aiding and abetting the work of Sheikh Rahman (a convicted terrorist of some note and dedicated anti-American), as well as Adam Gadahn, the self-professed American “voice” of al Qaeda. According to Wolf, the US government’s case against both of these individuals was nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to silence dissent and “free speakers”. She completely ignores the facts of both cases, as well as failing to note that both individuals were convicted by properly empaneled juries under the watchful eye of both journalists and academics, who would have been the first to cry out if anything untoward were to take place.

She also compares certain safety measures in place at various airports as being in line with security measures practiced by Mussolini’s secret police. These include random checks of baggage and verification that items are what they are represented to be. According to her, Mussolini’s police used similar methods as a means of repression and keeping the populace in line. She attempts to conflate the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) with Mussolini’s secret police, as well as drawing parallels between the use of the word “heimat” (homeland) by the Nazis during the 1930s and 1940s, and America’s creation of a Department of “Homeland” Security. Apparently, our use of the word Homeland and the Nazi use of the word Homeland is not a coincidence. Rather it points to our drift into fascism. I guess it is good we didn’t name it the Department of Fatherland Security.

Her scholarship is sloppy in the sense that she inaptly draws her conclusions between present day US and Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy. Simply saying that modern America is “like” fascist Italy or Nazi Germany does not constitute a completed argument. Nor does her hysteria when it comes to implying that somehow the government will come after her personally once it gets wind of her book.

There are quite a few other examples as well. Her book “The Beauty Myth” was shredded by a large number of reviewers (who were largely non-partisan on the issue of feminism), and again largely for the same reasons.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Fair enough. Rather than pen some overlong response citing chapter and verse, I will confine myself to just hitting the high notes.

In her new book, Wolf uses two extremely preposterous examples as America’s new “fascist drift” and supposed totalitarian repression of “free speaking” individuals. These are Lynne Stewart, who was convicted of aiding and abetting the work of Sheikh Rahman (a convicted terrorist of some note and dedicated anti-American), as well as Adam Gadahn, the self-professed American “voice” of al Qaeda. According to Wolf, the US government’s case against both of these individuals was nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to silence dissent and “free speakers”. She completely ignores the facts of both cases, as well as failing to note that both individuals were convicted by properly empaneled juries under the watchful eye of both journalists and academics, who would have been the first to cry out if anything untoward were to take place.

She also compares certain safety measures in place at various airports as being in line with security measures practiced by Mussolini’s secret police. These include random checks of baggage and verification that items are what they are represented to be. According to her, Mussolini’s police used similar methods as a means of repression and keeping the populace in line. She attempts to conflate the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) with Mussolini’s secret police, as well as drawing parallels between the use of the word “heimat” (homeland) by the Nazis during the 1930s and 1940s, and America’s creation of a Department of “Homeland” Security. Apparently, our use of the word Homeland and the Nazi use of the word Homeland is not a coincidence. Rather it points to our drift into fascism. I guess it is good we didn’t name it the Department of Fatherland Security.

Her scholarship is sloppy in the sense that she inaptly draws her conclusions between present day US and Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy. Simply saying that modern America is “like” fascist Italy or Nazi Germany does not constitute a completed argument. Nor does her hysteria when it comes to implying that somehow the government will come after her personally once it gets wind of her book.

There are quite a few other examples as well. Her book “The Beauty Myth” was shredded by a large number of reviewers (who were largely non-partisan on the issue of feminism), and again largely for the same reasons.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Fair enough. Rather than pen some overlong response citing chapter and verse, I will confine myself to just hitting the high notes.

In her new book, Wolf uses two extremely preposterous examples as America’s new “fascist drift” and supposed totalitarian repression of “free speaking” individuals. These are Lynne Stewart, who was convicted of aiding and abetting the work of Sheikh Rahman (a convicted terrorist of some note and dedicated anti-American), as well as Adam Gadahn, the self-professed American “voice” of al Qaeda. According to Wolf, the US government’s case against both of these individuals was nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to silence dissent and “free speakers”. She completely ignores the facts of both cases, as well as failing to note that both individuals were convicted by properly empaneled juries under the watchful eye of both journalists and academics, who would have been the first to cry out if anything untoward were to take place.

She also compares certain safety measures in place at various airports as being in line with security measures practiced by Mussolini’s secret police. These include random checks of baggage and verification that items are what they are represented to be. According to her, Mussolini’s police used similar methods as a means of repression and keeping the populace in line. She attempts to conflate the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) with Mussolini’s secret police, as well as drawing parallels between the use of the word “heimat” (homeland) by the Nazis during the 1930s and 1940s, and America’s creation of a Department of “Homeland” Security. Apparently, our use of the word Homeland and the Nazi use of the word Homeland is not a coincidence. Rather it points to our drift into fascism. I guess it is good we didn’t name it the Department of Fatherland Security.

Her scholarship is sloppy in the sense that she inaptly draws her conclusions between present day US and Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy. Simply saying that modern America is “like” fascist Italy or Nazi Germany does not constitute a completed argument. Nor does her hysteria when it comes to implying that somehow the government will come after her personally once it gets wind of her book.

There are quite a few other examples as well. Her book “The Beauty Myth” was shredded by a large number of reviewers (who were largely non-partisan on the issue of feminism), and again largely for the same reasons.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Fair enough. Rather than pen some overlong response citing chapter and verse, I will confine myself to just hitting the high notes.

In her new book, Wolf uses two extremely preposterous examples as America’s new “fascist drift” and supposed totalitarian repression of “free speaking” individuals. These are Lynne Stewart, who was convicted of aiding and abetting the work of Sheikh Rahman (a convicted terrorist of some note and dedicated anti-American), as well as Adam Gadahn, the self-professed American “voice” of al Qaeda. According to Wolf, the US government’s case against both of these individuals was nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to silence dissent and “free speakers”. She completely ignores the facts of both cases, as well as failing to note that both individuals were convicted by properly empaneled juries under the watchful eye of both journalists and academics, who would have been the first to cry out if anything untoward were to take place.

She also compares certain safety measures in place at various airports as being in line with security measures practiced by Mussolini’s secret police. These include random checks of baggage and verification that items are what they are represented to be. According to her, Mussolini’s police used similar methods as a means of repression and keeping the populace in line. She attempts to conflate the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) with Mussolini’s secret police, as well as drawing parallels between the use of the word “heimat” (homeland) by the Nazis during the 1930s and 1940s, and America’s creation of a Department of “Homeland” Security. Apparently, our use of the word Homeland and the Nazi use of the word Homeland is not a coincidence. Rather it points to our drift into fascism. I guess it is good we didn’t name it the Department of Fatherland Security.

Her scholarship is sloppy in the sense that she inaptly draws her conclusions between present day US and Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy. Simply saying that modern America is “like” fascist Italy or Nazi Germany does not constitute a completed argument. Nor does her hysteria when it comes to implying that somehow the government will come after her personally once it gets wind of her book.

There are quite a few other examples as well. Her book “The Beauty Myth” was shredded by a large number of reviewers (who were largely non-partisan on the issue of feminism), and again largely for the same reasons.

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