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January 11, 2007 at 5:17 PM #8209January 12, 2007 at 7:17 AM #43302ocrenterParticipant
this thing is huge, 412 investors? assuming an average of 5 properties each, that’s 2000 homes. The newest update from nctimes reports $1.2 billion dollars worth of mortgage fraud. $1.2 billion/2000 homes = average price of $600,000 per home, that makes sense. 2000 homes and each overappraised for a $80,000 profit, that’s $160 million dollar of profit from this fraud case alone.
you would think UT or LA Times would be breaking this, but instead is a little regional paper?
it is just mortgage fraud… if FBI doesn’t care, why should we…
can you publish the link to the story, btw?
January 12, 2007 at 8:14 AM #43307mydogsarelazyParticipantHi OCRenter,
I agree this is just huge, and I don’t understand either why it is not getting more coverage in other papers.
Just one aspect of it that blows my mind is the way that this caused price statistics to balloon upwards.
I don’t know how to properly post a link, but I found the story by search google news for “Murrieta.” It was in the Californian, part of the NCTimes on Jan. 10th.
JS
January 13, 2007 at 2:02 PM #43365blackboxParticipantYep, poor defenseless nurses who just wanted to get into the game! These people (victims) helped keep the bubble going because of their greed, envy, and stupidity. You had no business buying multiple homes, and if you did, in fact, have a business buying bunches of homes during the greatest real estate market bubble in recent history, well….
That’s why most businesses fail; they are a huge risk. Of course, this was like buying a donut shop in a mini-mall that already had 2 donut shops opened and operating. You idiots!January 13, 2007 at 4:01 PM #43369mydogsarelazyParticipantDetails emerge in alleged scam
MORTGAGE: A Temecula woman says hundreds of property investors faced foreclosures and more.
10:00 PM PST on Friday, January 12, 2007
By LESLIE BERKMAN
The Press-EnterpriseAt least 400 investors, many of them part of Southwest Riverside County’s Filipino community, are said to be victims of a mortgage-fraud scheme detailed in a lawsuit amendment filed Friday in Riverside Superior Court
The anonymous plaintiff in the original Jan. 5 filing was identified Friday as Vicky Reiss, a 40-year-old nurse from Temecula. The complaint also extended the list of defendants to include, among others, Stonewood Consulting Inc., Pacific Wealth Management and its operators, James Duncan and Maurice McLeod.
Pacific Wealth Management, a Nevada company named as a defendant, is not affiliated with the San Diego investment company of the same name, according to the suit.
In addition, the Riverside County district attorney is investigating the same investment group for possible violations of the law, said Deputy District Attorney Raymond Ramirez.
Friday afternoon, William H. Sauls, attorney for Stonewood Consulting, and Stonewood President Hendrix Montecastro, were not available for comment. Montecastro is named in the lawsuit as “the principal operator of the entire scheme,” and the contact between the investors and the other defendants.
James Duncan, who is an Orange County resident associated with Jovane Investments, named as a defendant in the original lawsuit, declined comment.
The amended lawsuit said starting about November 2004, the defendants held investor meetings to encourage Temecula and Murrieta residents to purchase houses in the area as investments.
The suit says the defendants falsified loan applications, charged excessive fees and opened lines of credit in the names of the investors.
According to the suit, the properties were appraised above the market value and surplus proceeds from mortgages were routed directly to the investment group rather than the buyers. The lawsuit said the defendants promised to rent out and manage the properties and pay the difference between the rent and the mortgages, an amount that for Reiss totaled $20,000 monthly on five houses.
In late 2006, the lawsuit said, the defendants demanded that the investors, including Reiss, cash out all of their open lines of credit and pay the proceeds to the defendants or face foreclosure. Other investors were told to cash out retirement and other accounts or be financially ruined, the lawsuit said.
Reiss said in an interview that because she depended on the defendants to pay the mortgages, she had difficulty saying no to their demands.
“I felt these people had a noose around my neck,” she said.
Richard Ackerman, Reiss’ lawyer, said in November that Reiss and other investors stopped receiving money from the defendants to pay their mortgages.
According to the lawsuit, at recent meetings with investors, including one on Wednesday, the defendants promised to continue making mortgage payments only on the investors’ primary residences, with the rest of the houses likely going to foreclosure because of the defendants’ alleged inability to release investment funds.
.comJanuary 13, 2007 at 4:23 PM #43370FormerOwnerParticipantThis thing involves about 2,400 houses! Most likely, all or most of the 2,400 will foreclose or become short sales. Another nail in the housing market’s coffin. I wonder how long it will take before these things really start foreclosing en-masse.
January 13, 2007 at 5:43 PM #43372Steve BeeboParticipantFormerOwner –
Do you know for sure that there were 2400 houses involved? Has that figure ever been in print? If not, I have a hard time believing that 2400 houses were involved. I have seen the figure of 400+ investors in the news. Are a husband and wife couple counted as two investors?
I don’t think the Temecula / Murrietta population is much more than 200,000. Even if there are 1000 short sales and/or future REOs created out of this scam, the negative effect on the market in that area would be devastating. The market already blows up there. Every street I drive down in that area seems to have a lot of active listings.
January 13, 2007 at 6:59 PM #43376lendingbubblecontinuesParticipantblackbox…
I like your style. You seem to say what you really feel and I appreciate and respect that. There truly are too many idiots to count…f’em all!
LBC
January 13, 2007 at 7:08 PM #43377FormerOwnerParticipantOne of the articles indicated there were around 400 “investors” who bought from 2 to 8 houses each, indicating there were anywhere from 800 – 3,200 houses involved.
Also, $1.2 billion worth of property / average value of $525K per property = 2,286 houses – not quite 2,400 as I stated above but close. Even if they bought 3 houses each, on average, that’s still 1,200 houses! I agree, that it’s a significant percentage of the housing stock – around 3.5% if my 2,286 is right. Hopefully, more details will emerge to clear up the #’s.
January 29, 2007 at 5:44 PM #44366Steve BeeboParticipant$1.2 Billion lawsuit filed:
January 29, 2007 at 8:21 PM #44373TheBreezeParticipantWow! 5000 residential home loans may go into foreclosure within the next several months. Unreal.
Look out below!
January 29, 2007 at 8:24 PM #44375daveljParticipantWhoa Daddy. If even half of the 5,000 homes in question end up going into foreclosure by the end of this year (as opposed to “the next several months”) that will be an unmitigated disaster for SD/Riverside home prices, as it appears that the majority of the homes involved in this fraud are in SD and Riverside Counties. I’ll say it again, Whoa Daddy.
January 29, 2007 at 8:42 PM #44379daveljParticipantAlso, we must not forget that this is probably the tip of the iceberg. While this may be one of the larger scams of its kind perpetrated by one group, there are many other similar scams that have been perpetrated on a smaller scale by plenty of fraudsters. And they’re all going to unravel over the next couple of years. To quote Borat, ” Niiiice.”
February 8, 2007 at 12:15 PM #44964AnonymousGuestGo to the Riverside County Clerk of Courts website, http://75.28.114.12/OpenAccess/CIVIL/default.asp do a case number search and look up case #RIC463483. RIC is the case code for Riverside Civil courts and 463483 is the case number. Read the declarations filed for a little more info. You will see default notices from lenders including: EMC Mortgage, SLS, Aurora, GMAC and Wells Fargo. I am an employee of the legitimate financial planning company in San Diego which was victimized by the unlawful use of our name. Oh and I happen to own a home in Southwest Riverside County. I am so excited for this to unfold. One of the defendants has been the subject of investigations and injunctions in Iowa and Washington state in the past few years as well.
Don’t you just love people.The entire legal profession…has become so mesmerized with the stimulation of the courtroom contest, that we tend to forget that we ought to be healers of conflict…Trial by adversarial contest must in time go the way of the ancient trial by battle and blood…Our system has become too costly, too painful, too destructive, too inefficient for truly civilized people.”
–Chief Justice Warren Burger, 1984I sincerely hope that this courtroom contest does got he way of blood. I am not a direct victim of these bastards but I am confident that I will be profoundly affected by them for years to come.
JRexFebruary 9, 2007 at 2:21 PM #45028recordsclerkParticipantIt’s seem to me that we are the true victim’s here. Houses are more expensive and loans will cost more for the consumer. These idiots that supposedly fell for the scam (more like willing participants)are crying all the way to the bank. It’s always someone else’s fault. What about the greed. People you bought at the wrong time. Whose fault is that. Please look in the mirror and start pointing that finger. Greed + bad timing + stupid loans = foreclosure.
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