MMoore movie SiCKO

[no_such_reality]

What about the firemen, the roads, etc.? Do you think everything should be privitized?

No, some things are too much of a public consumption item (economists call it a public good) to effectively privatize.

Firemen, police, are examples, they also give a good indication of the kinds of problems we will have with a massive health care union if it governmentized. The pension and compensation issues and their effects on State taxes and budget will affect the housing market.

Eventually, universal health care will become necessary just to get out from under the health care commitments of the civil service employees.

My concerns are really pretty simple on the process. Unfortunately, anything touching our government currently becomes a political football and IMHO, gets corrupted by special interests whether those interests are the big unions, big corporations or extreme fringe of the two major parties.

The example of the doctor being rewarded for getting people to quit smoking is great, however in our system, how come I have a gut feeling that’ll get turned into incentive pay for getting girls to sign “vows of chastity” to prevent unwed pregnancy?

Like others, I fight a bit with my weight and chlosterol levels. My doctor works with me. It is work. Unfortunately, IMHO, too many Americans want an easy solution, eating better, excersizing, keeping track, takes work. Walking through Target and picking up the magic “Alli” is easy, and judging by the decimated shelves, many are going with that ‘solution’.

Watch the superbowl, what do you see? Ads for Beer, Soda, Chips, and ED pills. Are we really dumb enough that we cannot connect the dots from lack of moderation in Beer, Soda, & Chips to the need for the last product?

Have we avoided the hard conversations in the schools long enough that the schools have outsourced their lunch menu printing program to McDonalds, which is willing to do it because of the advertising space and captured youth impressions?

There are many weaknesses in our currently system and many point directly back to the end consumer’s behavior. Unfortunately, our society is mass consumption oriented, people over-use services when the cost to them is low.

To make it worse, we’ve burdened our system will a mass of uninsured and illegals going to the most expensive point of service becuase they cannot be denied.

My original concern isn’t about universal healthcare, it was about a very narrow and one sided view experience has taught me to expect from MM. My past experience has also lead to my first post about the decision necessary in any universal program.

[no_such_reality]

What about the firemen, the roads, etc.? Do you think everything should be privitized?

No, some things are too much of a public consumption item (economists call it a public good) to effectively privatize.

Firemen, police, are examples, they also give a good indication of the kinds of problems we will have with a massive health care union if it governmentized. The pension and compensation issues and their effects on State taxes and budget will affect the housing market.

Eventually, universal health care will become necessary just to get out from under the health care commitments of the civil service employees.

My concerns are really pretty simple on the process. Unfortunately, anything touching our government currently becomes a political football and IMHO, gets corrupted by special interests whether those interests are the big unions, big corporations or extreme fringe of the two major parties.

The example of the doctor being rewarded for getting people to quit smoking is great, however in our system, how come I have a gut feeling that’ll get turned into incentive pay for getting girls to sign “vows of chastity” to prevent unwed pregnancy?

Like others, I fight a bit with my weight and chlosterol levels. My doctor works with me. It is work. Unfortunately, IMHO, too many Americans want an easy solution, eating better, excersizing, keeping track, takes work. Walking through Target and picking up the magic “Alli” is easy, and judging by the decimated shelves, many are going with that ‘solution’.

Watch the superbowl, what do you see? Ads for Beer, Soda, Chips, and ED pills. Are we really dumb enough that we cannot connect the dots from lack of moderation in Beer, Soda, & Chips to the need for the last product?

Have we avoided the hard conversations in the schools long enough that the schools have outsourced their lunch menu printing program to McDonalds, which is willing to do it because of the advertising space and captured youth impressions?

There are many weaknesses in our currently system and many point directly back to the end consumer’s behavior. Unfortunately, our society is mass consumption oriented, people over-use services when the cost to them is low.

To make it worse, we’ve burdened our system will a mass of uninsured and illegals going to the most expensive point of service becuase they cannot be denied.

My original concern isn’t about universal healthcare, it was about a very narrow and one sided view experience has taught me to expect from MM. My past experience has also lead to my first post about the decision necessary in any universal program.

[Peace]

What’s wrong with the Medicare system – its track record, and my experience with my elderly parents and in-laws has been really good. Just expand the Medicare system to cover everybody. Plus, when everybody is covered – including our elected representatives, and all those who have been lucky enough to experience the good in our medical system, you can bet that medical service will not suffer. Why compare a universal health care system with public schools, the better comparison would be to compare it to the already in existence universal model.

To say that you fear our medical system will become corrupted sounds like you don’t think the current system is corrupted. There are so many levels of payment for the same treatment, it’s about time so ultimate authority figures this out.

I believe that if something isn’t done our medical system will be the loser because international medical/dental care is catching on quick – more and more people will “outsource” their medical care. The word is out that you can get better care for less money in many cases already.

Medical care should not compete in a capatalist system because the economic model is… the bigger the damand, the bigger the price, the bigger the profit. But in our medical care system it works like this: the bigger the demand, the bigger the price, but the lesser the profit.

Also, in a universal (single payer – government) system the government will have an incentive to finally get behind serious “public health” policies – like the Dr. in England making bonus pay for getting his patients healthy.

[Peace]

What’s wrong with the Medicare system – its track record, and my experience with my elderly parents and in-laws has been really good. Just expand the Medicare system to cover everybody. Plus, when everybody is covered – including our elected representatives, and all those who have been lucky enough to experience the good in our medical system, you can bet that medical service will not suffer. Why compare a universal health care system with public schools, the better comparison would be to compare it to the already in existence universal model.

To say that you fear our medical system will become corrupted sounds like you don’t think the current system is corrupted. There are so many levels of payment for the same treatment, it’s about time so ultimate authority figures this out.

I believe that if something isn’t done our medical system will be the loser because international medical/dental care is catching on quick – more and more people will “outsource” their medical care. The word is out that you can get better care for less money in many cases already.

Medical care should not compete in a capatalist system because the economic model is… the bigger the damand, the bigger the price, the bigger the profit. But in our medical care system it works like this: the bigger the demand, the bigger the price, but the lesser the profit.

Also, in a universal (single payer – government) system the government will have an incentive to finally get behind serious “public health” policies – like the Dr. in England making bonus pay for getting his patients healthy.

[Anonymous]

That’s right, folks. Let’s solely rely upon policemen to protect us. Turn in those handguns and shotguns. Quit practicing self-defense. Work on your holster-draw move with your cell phone, so that you can make a quicker call to 911.

Puhleeze.

[Anonymous]

That’s right, folks. Let’s solely rely upon policemen to protect us. Turn in those handguns and shotguns. Quit practicing self-defense. Work on your holster-draw move with your cell phone, so that you can make a quicker call to 911.

Puhleeze.

[Peace]

The argument that if we were to have a universal system, then everybody would be going to the doctor for every little ailment. How rediculous is that? Like everyone goes to to doctor for fun – at this time I have very good PPO coverage and no one in my family has been to a doctor in over a year.

The better policy would be to fine people who don’t go to the doctor – people who don’t go to the doctor when necessary and in a timely fashion cost a lot more.

And to say we’ll bring on all those illegals is also a stupid argument because they are getting care at emergency rooms as it is, showing up when they are really sick (after working in the kitchens of the restaurants where you eat) instead of seeing a doctor right away.

We could control a lot of our sicknesses with readily available healthcare.

[Peace]

The argument that if we were to have a universal system, then everybody would be going to the doctor for every little ailment. How rediculous is that? Like everyone goes to to doctor for fun – at this time I have very good PPO coverage and no one in my family has been to a doctor in over a year.

The better policy would be to fine people who don’t go to the doctor – people who don’t go to the doctor when necessary and in a timely fashion cost a lot more.

And to say we’ll bring on all those illegals is also a stupid argument because they are getting care at emergency rooms as it is, showing up when they are really sick (after working in the kitchens of the restaurants where you eat) instead of seeing a doctor right away.

We could control a lot of our sicknesses with readily available healthcare.

[PerryChase]

I watched the _Sicko_ last night. I wanted Michael Moore to have a good opening weekend so that he would keep on making these types of movies.

Health care in America is great if you have a good family doctor who can refer your to top-notch specialists, if you need them.

Otherwise, I agree with uncomfortably numb, the health system is geared towards keeping patients drugged for life.

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Some personal stories. My uncle (84 yo) lives in France. He had a stroke and he’s paralyzed on the right side. He’s able to stay at home because everyday a nurse comes and see him twice per day. Once a day, he has a helper help with laundry, cleaning and chores. It’s a big help to my aunt who also cares for her husband.

The French complain a lot but they are generally a happy bunch. They don’t complain because they are depressed. They complain because they are intellectually curious and they see the injustice. Big difference.

Middle-class French care about quality of life, but middle class Americans want that new truck and that big-screen TV.

France has some of the best doctors and some top Pharmas. Charlie Rose got his heart mitral valve repair in Paris. You’d think that with all his connections, he’d get the best doctors in America.

For sure, one makes more money as a business exec in America. Upper-Middle folks also do better materially in America. However, I’d much rather be middle-middle and lower-middle in France.

What’s funny to me is that the “heartland” Americans tend to vote against their economic interests for the rich. I guess, they can always pray for good health and hope for faith-based organizations to help them in tough times.

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A friend’s parents live in Vancouver, Canada. The dad has leukemia and never had to wait to see a doctor. He walks right in during appointment time. In fact, he jumps ahead of the line because of his health situation. It looks like he beat the disease and is he’s now in good health.

And at 80 years of age, he’s still healthy enough to take road trips to the USofA twice a year. And yes, they do buy temporary health insurance when they visit.

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The people with bad teeth or no teeth in America are the ones in the “Heartland” and the South. In San Diego that would be El Cajon, Santee, Lakeside and Ramona. Many of them are former enlisted/drafted military personnel, but they didn’t serve long enough to get dental coverage.

[PerryChase]

I watched the _Sicko_ last night. I wanted Michael Moore to have a good opening weekend so that he would keep on making these types of movies.

Health care in America is great if you have a good family doctor who can refer your to top-notch specialists, if you need them.

Otherwise, I agree with uncomfortably numb, the health system is geared towards keeping patients drugged for life.

——-

Some personal stories. My uncle (84 yo) lives in France. He had a stroke and he’s paralyzed on the right side. He’s able to stay at home because everyday a nurse comes and see him twice per day. Once a day, he has a helper help with laundry, cleaning and chores. It’s a big help to my aunt who also cares for her husband.

The French complain a lot but they are generally a happy bunch. They don’t complain because they are depressed. They complain because they are intellectually curious and they see the injustice. Big difference.

Middle-class French care about quality of life, but middle class Americans want that new truck and that big-screen TV.

France has some of the best doctors and some top Pharmas. Charlie Rose got his heart mitral valve repair in Paris. You’d think that with all his connections, he’d get the best doctors in America.

For sure, one makes more money as a business exec in America. Upper-Middle folks also do better materially in America. However, I’d much rather be middle-middle and lower-middle in France.

What’s funny to me is that the “heartland” Americans tend to vote against their economic interests for the rich. I guess, they can always pray for good health and hope for faith-based organizations to help them in tough times.

——–

A friend’s parents live in Vancouver, Canada. The dad has leukemia and never had to wait to see a doctor. He walks right in during appointment time. In fact, he jumps ahead of the line because of his health situation. It looks like he beat the disease and is he’s now in good health.

And at 80 years of age, he’s still healthy enough to take road trips to the USofA twice a year. And yes, they do buy temporary health insurance when they visit.

——–

The people with bad teeth or no teeth in America are the ones in the “Heartland” and the South. In San Diego that would be El Cajon, Santee, Lakeside and Ramona. Many of them are former enlisted/drafted military personnel, but they didn’t serve long enough to get dental coverage.

[speedingpullet]

No-such-Reality said:

“As another pointed out, the bulk of the stuff running on PBS under the brand names “Nova” or “Nature” blow Gore away.

PBS does better documentation without the conspiracy overtones, IMHO.”

That’ll be because most of the Nova’s you see are actually repackaged “Horizon” programmes from the BBC….

All they do is re-narrate it by someone with an american accent, and change the metric measurements into US Imperial.

Because, apparently, Americans have difficulty in understanding a perfect Recieved English accent (a la BBC announcers) and become confused when people talk about Kilos, Metres, etc… 😉

Next time you watch one, see if you recognise the narrator in the credits. Chances are it will be Andrew Sachs, and then you’ll know for sure it was made in the UK.

[speedingpullet]

No-such-Reality said:

“As another pointed out, the bulk of the stuff running on PBS under the brand names “Nova” or “Nature” blow Gore away.

PBS does better documentation without the conspiracy overtones, IMHO.”

That’ll be because most of the Nova’s you see are actually repackaged “Horizon” programmes from the BBC….

All they do is re-narrate it by someone with an american accent, and change the metric measurements into US Imperial.

Because, apparently, Americans have difficulty in understanding a perfect Recieved English accent (a la BBC announcers) and become confused when people talk about Kilos, Metres, etc… 😉

Next time you watch one, see if you recognise the narrator in the credits. Chances are it will be Andrew Sachs, and then you’ll know for sure it was made in the UK.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

The Medical system in the UK is working extremistly well. Three doctors were central in the bomb plots and airport attack there this week.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

The Medical system in the UK is working extremistly well. Three doctors were central in the bomb plots and airport attack there this week.

[no_such_reality]

The argument that if we were to have a universal system, then everybody would be going to the doctor for every little ailment.

Ask the British: Health Care Rationing “British doctors will take the historic step of admitting for the first time that many health treatments will be rationed in the future because the NHS cannot cope with spiralling demand from patients.”

Or ask about “Nice” Court challenge over Alzheimer’s drugs

Of course, they’ve made great improvements since the late 90s, when in 1998, there literally wasn’t an intensive care bed available in a hospital anywhere in the country. Or surgery waits were at 2 years. Remarkable Recovery Now they’re down to 2 weeks.

They do have their own King Drew horror stories as recently as 2005.

But in a parting shot from the NHS leader published today, maybe the doctors there aren’t as dedicated to the patient as we think. Hewitt cautions Brown against NHS policy change “Leaked correspondence revealed yesterday that she said the NHS remained a “paternalistic” service which too often served the “tribal” interests of doctors and managers instead of patients’ needs.”

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