Microsoft to lay off 15,000 (17% of work force)

[eyePod]

[quote]Outsourcing is overrated. Normally, I haven’t seen work that I personally would like to do that is outsourced (yet). Insourcing is a completely different thing, which in these days make a lot more sense.
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That all depends. In some industries, like aerospace, with large engineering staff it is extremely widespread. BTW, what is “insourcing”?

[CAwireman]

I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.

Am I ranting here?

[CAwireman]

I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.

Am I ranting here?

[CAwireman]

I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.

Am I ranting here?

[CAwireman]

I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.

Am I ranting here?

[CAwireman]

I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.

Am I ranting here?

[afx114]

[quote=HiggyBaby]I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.[/quote]

I don’t know anyone who uses MS stuff anymore. All the big players are already on open source Linux, MySQL, etc.. I’ve administered and programmed on both MS and open source platforms, and I’m never taking on another MS-based project. When I think of MS and MS-based projects, I think of Office Space. Cubicles and billions of lines of code and an army of monkeys that write and maintain it. And staplers. MS is a slowly dying dinosaur.

As for India, I’ve had to work with a few teams in India on projects and it was nothing but headache and sub-par results. From my experiences, the outsourcing of programming is overrated and a lot of companies are going to be disappointed when trying to save a few bucks

[afx114]

[quote=HiggyBaby]I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.[/quote]

I don’t know anyone who uses MS stuff anymore. All the big players are already on open source Linux, MySQL, etc.. I’ve administered and programmed on both MS and open source platforms, and I’m never taking on another MS-based project. When I think of MS and MS-based projects, I think of Office Space. Cubicles and billions of lines of code and an army of monkeys that write and maintain it. And staplers. MS is a slowly dying dinosaur.

As for India, I’ve had to work with a few teams in India on projects and it was nothing but headache and sub-par results. From my experiences, the outsourcing of programming is overrated and a lot of companies are going to be disappointed when trying to save a few bucks

[afx114]

[quote=HiggyBaby]I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.[/quote]

I don’t know anyone who uses MS stuff anymore. All the big players are already on open source Linux, MySQL, etc.. I’ve administered and programmed on both MS and open source platforms, and I’m never taking on another MS-based project. When I think of MS and MS-based projects, I think of Office Space. Cubicles and billions of lines of code and an army of monkeys that write and maintain it. And staplers. MS is a slowly dying dinosaur.

As for India, I’ve had to work with a few teams in India on projects and it was nothing but headache and sub-par results. From my experiences, the outsourcing of programming is overrated and a lot of companies are going to be disappointed when trying to save a few bucks

[afx114]

[quote=HiggyBaby]I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.[/quote]

I don’t know anyone who uses MS stuff anymore. All the big players are already on open source Linux, MySQL, etc.. I’ve administered and programmed on both MS and open source platforms, and I’m never taking on another MS-based project. When I think of MS and MS-based projects, I think of Office Space. Cubicles and billions of lines of code and an army of monkeys that write and maintain it. And staplers. MS is a slowly dying dinosaur.

As for India, I’ve had to work with a few teams in India on projects and it was nothing but headache and sub-par results. From my experiences, the outsourcing of programming is overrated and a lot of companies are going to be disappointed when trying to save a few bucks

[afx114]

[quote=HiggyBaby]I’ll bet this is Microsoft’s effort to move more deeply into offshoring towards India. This is likely a shift of US jobs to other countries. If true, its not a good sign for us here in the US. And, its more incentive for us to look at competing/public domain offerings like linux, mysql, etc.[/quote]

I don’t know anyone who uses MS stuff anymore. All the big players are already on open source Linux, MySQL, etc.. I’ve administered and programmed on both MS and open source platforms, and I’m never taking on another MS-based project. When I think of MS and MS-based projects, I think of Office Space. Cubicles and billions of lines of code and an army of monkeys that write and maintain it. And staplers. MS is a slowly dying dinosaur.

As for India, I’ve had to work with a few teams in India on projects and it was nothing but headache and sub-par results. From my experiences, the outsourcing of programming is overrated and a lot of companies are going to be disappointed when trying to save a few bucks

[patientrenter]

It sounds like outsourcing has been a mixed bag.

Just to add some balance to the comments trashing outsourcing: The two companies I’ve worked for recently have used Indian programmers on a small scale and have been pleasantly surprised at the good quality and rapid learning. In the long run, more is planned, but in the current environment they will be amongst the first to suffer if expenses need to be reduced. (I work in the first purely private-sector industry to use computers on a large scale, so I suspect what we do is a leading indicator outside the software industry itself.)

[patientrenter]

It sounds like outsourcing has been a mixed bag.

Just to add some balance to the comments trashing outsourcing: The two companies I’ve worked for recently have used Indian programmers on a small scale and have been pleasantly surprised at the good quality and rapid learning. In the long run, more is planned, but in the current environment they will be amongst the first to suffer if expenses need to be reduced. (I work in the first purely private-sector industry to use computers on a large scale, so I suspect what we do is a leading indicator outside the software industry itself.)

[patientrenter]

It sounds like outsourcing has been a mixed bag.

Just to add some balance to the comments trashing outsourcing: The two companies I’ve worked for recently have used Indian programmers on a small scale and have been pleasantly surprised at the good quality and rapid learning. In the long run, more is planned, but in the current environment they will be amongst the first to suffer if expenses need to be reduced. (I work in the first purely private-sector industry to use computers on a large scale, so I suspect what we do is a leading indicator outside the software industry itself.)

[patientrenter]

It sounds like outsourcing has been a mixed bag.

Just to add some balance to the comments trashing outsourcing: The two companies I’ve worked for recently have used Indian programmers on a small scale and have been pleasantly surprised at the good quality and rapid learning. In the long run, more is planned, but in the current environment they will be amongst the first to suffer if expenses need to be reduced. (I work in the first purely private-sector industry to use computers on a large scale, so I suspect what we do is a leading indicator outside the software industry itself.)

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