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[scaredyclassic]

Subway noise is worse.

Or that house near the train in the triplets of Belleville film.

[scaredyclassic]

I’d prefer not to live next to a slaughterhouse but if the price is right…

[scaredyclassic]

Sdsu 1st day today. Kid is living in what looks like a Melrose pl. Party complex … I want to live there even if it were astride a freeway..

[zk]

[quote=bearishgurl]zk, you’re making the same tired, circular argument.
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If my argument seems tired, it’s probably only because I keep having to explain it to you. It’s really not that complicated. As far as circular, you’ll have to explain why you think that. I’m fairly certain you think that because you (still) don’t understand my argument.
[quote=bearishgurl]

Are you trying to say that that ONLY houses WITH freeway noise which possess all the “requirements” (including price range) of the OP are available? We don’t even know what the his/her “requirements” or price range is!
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No, of course not. I used a hypothetical example of a house that has everything a buyer (not necessarily the OP – we’re discussing the broader issue of “tradeoffs,” not necessarily exactly what the OP wants) might want, but is affordable to the buyer because it’s discounted due to freeway noise. A more likely example would be a house near the freeway with one extra feature – say, a big yard – being similarly priced to (an otherwise identical) one with a small yard farther from a freeway.
[quote=bearishgurl]

What school attendance area are you referring to and what is so special about these three public schools (elem/middle/HS) that would cause buyers to choose to make offers on single family homes to raise their families in which had fatal flaws over listed homes which didn’t? Do these schools have gold-plated steps to the front door? Do the teachers there all have doctorates??
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I’m not referring to any particular school attendance area. I made that clear in a previous post. I’m referring to any school attendance area that a buyer might want for whatever reason they want it for.

[quote=bearishgurl]
Given the congestion and overcrowding up there, a better question might be, do each of those 3 schools guarantee a slot for each student who resides within their attendance boundaries?

And how do you know that a particular school district is what the OP is seeking or even if he/she has any kids?
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Again, we’re discussing the broader issue of tradeoffs. That transition was made early in the thread. I don’t know what school district the OP is seeking nor whether he has any kids. There are other issues besides schools involved in the tradeoff discussion, such as house size, yard size, freeway noise, climate, etc.
[quote=bearishgurl]

Its seems here that you may be trying to put yourself in the OP’s shoes and so stated here what YOU would do in order to live in a particular school attendance area.
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That’s just a flailing rant with no basis in fact.

[quote=bearishgurl]

Maybe the OP just wants to live closer to work. Until they come back with some feedback, you’re just spinning your wheels.[/quote]
Or I’m discussing a broader issue. Did you bring Chula Vista schools into the discussion because you thought they had something to do with what the OP wanted? Or were you just spinning your wheels? Or were you discussing a broader issue?

[quote=bearishgurl]zk, I’d like to know what you think is a “higher priority” than quiet enjoyment of one’s real property.

Leave the school attendance area out of the equation for a moment, since CA public school districts can basically place your student anywhere they have room for them so school placement is essentially out of a parents’ control.
What would be the reasons you would choose to make offers on a house with incessant freeway noise (or under a busy military or commercial flight path) over a house which didn’t have these flaws?
Name the pros and cons (and guesstimate price differences) of each property. Thanks.
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Well, let’s say you’ve got 6 kids. You want to live in a low-crime area. Let’s say you’re an indoor-type family. You want to live near your work, because traffic is bad. The only house that you can afford near work with enough room for you and your family has a small yard and is near a freeway. The back yard is pretty noisy, but you’ve got double-paned windows, and inside it’s not too bad. I think that many reasonable people in that situation would wisely choose that house because it was the best fit for their priorities.

The pros are enough room for your family and a short commute (more time for your family). The cons are freeway noise and a small back yard.

The house in the quiet neighborhood is similar and priced the same, but could be lacking either square footage or proximity to work. A buyer such as this might wisely and gladly give up quietness and a big back yard for enough room for their family or more time with their family. For them, if time for family and room for family are more important than quietness and yard size, it could very well be the best decision.

[flyer]

[quote=flu][quote=flyer]Oh, I agree with all of that flu.

Personlly, I believe connections are extremely important in life. In fact, that’s exactly how my kids got into their chosen careers. Regardless of education, none of them would be where they are (doing what they love) without them.

I was simply responding to the commonly held belief that going to a particular school in a partcular district holds the magical key to a perfect destiny. It may contribute, but it’s definitely not the ultimate determining factor.

edit: I was responding to the deleted post.[/quote]

I was in a bad mood..at work.. wasn’t directed at you…I removed the snarky comment…because well, I’m sick and tired of people telling me to “work smarter”. lol…..There wasn’t many times I wish I was born into a billionaire’s family…Today pushed me closer to that edge…[/quote]

Understand, flu. I honestly didn’t take it that way, and completely understand why you’d want to do everything possible for your kids to give them the best life possible–whatever it takes. I think, as parents, we all feel the same, and are very grateful to have the resources to do so.

[flyer]

[quote=bearishgurl]I totally agree with flyer that success in life post college (after obtaining a degree) is where the rubber meets the road.

So far, I haven’t had any “boomerang” kid(s) on my doorstep needing a place to live due to being too busy “making bank” in the Silicon Valley. You are entirely correct, flyer, that “connections” are ultimately what gets a recent college graduate’s foot in the door … it doesn’t matter WHO made the “connection” … only that it was made. After that, it is all on them so “work ethic” also matters. No hiring mgr in the “real world” is going to give one whit about where their job applicants attended elem school, middle school or even HS.

My last kid is leaving for college next month and I don’t expect them to ever return to SD County to live, either, when so much better opportunities exist elsewhere in the state.[/quote]

I’m glad to hear all of your kids are doing so well, BG. You should be very proud.

[FlyerInHi]

Connections are good for the average joe, of average intelligence.

Some kids are extremely intelligent. They may not have the social skills to make it in the “real” world. So good schools are essential for those smart kids to achieve their potential.

We want smart kids who will become thinkers and scientists to succeed. That’s how we accelerate innovation and progress.

[flyer]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Connections are good for the average joe, of average intelligence.

Some kids are extremely intelligent. They may not have the social skills to make it in the “real” world. So good schools are essential for those smart kids to achieve their potential.

We want smart kids who will become thinkers and scientists to succeed. That’s how we accelerate innovation and progress.[/quote]

That might be true in some cases, but our kids, and others we know are extremely intelligent (our daughter graduated from Stanford Med) and “connections” have still made a huge difference for all of them.

IMO, as long as your kids achieve what they set out to do–regardless of whether they want to be a scientist, an attorney, a teacher, a doctor, a pro athlete, an engineer, a pilot, an actor, a writer or anything else–as long as they are successful in their chosen field–that’s what really matters.

[zk]

[quote=zk]
Well, let’s say you’ve got 6 kids. You want to live in a low-crime area. Let’s say you’re an indoor-type family. You want to live near your work, because traffic is bad. The only house that you can afford near work with enough room for you and your family has a small yard and is near a freeway. The back yard is pretty noisy, but you’ve got double-paned windows, and inside it’s not too bad. I think that many reasonable people in that situation would wisely choose that house because it was the best fit for their priorities.

The pros are enough room for your family and a short commute (more time for your family). The cons are freeway noise and a small back yard.

The house in the quiet neighborhood is similar and priced the same, but could be lacking either square footage or proximity to work. A buyer such as this might wisely and gladly give up quietness and a big back yard for enough room for their family or more time with their family. For them, if time for family and room for family are more important than quietness and yard size, it could very well be the best decision.[/quote]

I tried to make that a more realistic scenario, and in the process I made it too complicated and put in too many factors.

To illustrate my argument (it’s not really my argument, it’s more of a basic real estate concept), probably the simplest example is the best. You have kids and want to live near work so that you have more time to spend with them. All the quiet neighborhoods near your work are too expensive for you. There are a couple streets in one neighborhood that back up to the freeway. It’s noisy, and hence cheaper. You decide to live there because you’re an indoor-type family and the noise doesn’t bother you too much, and it allows you to have a shorter commute and therefore spend more time with your family. The noise bothers you a little, despite your double-paned windows and the fact that you don’t spend much time in your back yard. But you’re willing to make a trade-off. You’ll take that extra noise so that you can spend more time with your family.

Just one of countless scenarios that involve people making trade-offs when selecting a home. Some of them involve freeway noise, and some of them don’t.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=scaredyclassic]I’d prefer not to live next to a slaughterhouse but if the price is right…[/quote]

Well, scaredy, the price is never right. It seems that some Piggs may choose to “make a tradeoff for the sake of their family” to live in the path of of the likes of “Slaughterhouse Cyn” Rd. off SR-67, the junkyard capital in SD County of both American and Japanese vehicles, lol …. i.e. Lakeside, CA, or similarly situated … roll on, folks …

Caltrans insists that the corridor analysis address each issue and improvement separately. But not one of those issues or improvements studied speaks to the need for a center median anywhere on SR 67 other than a 1.5-mile stretch between Slaughterhouse Canyon and Scripps Poway Parkway. In June 2009, Caltrans completed a project study project/project development report that proposes to add one general-purpose lane in each director from Mapleview to Highland Valley Road/Dye Road.

http://patch.com/california/poway/you-can-t-fix-reckless#.VAAIn6M0_z0

Do Piggs actually realize that two elementary school children were killed crossing the street to their school back in the day by a young speeding motorist on SR-67?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.true-crime/f5G_Bhxv2Zo/

The “Slaughterhouse exit” off SR 67 and surrounds are a sure deathtrap for motorists and pedestrians alike. The fwy was built thru a residential area in Lakeside, CA, which was never configured to accommodate those biz/schools which already existed. In other words, no “service road” existed at the time of the several fatalities in the vicinity that occurred (over and above the deaths of two schoolchildren) due to this (unrestricted) fwy going though.

This is just another classic example of “economic obsolesence,” folks, exacerbated by the new fwy in the presence of both (former) residential construction and (former) school construction.

Our local leaders have not generally been cognizant of the ramifications of their individual votes. Thus, the homebuying contingent who “settle” for incessant “freeway noise” because they “insist” on newer consruction in their price range generally get the bottom of the barrel in local home selection if they choose to buy it. Why?? There isn’t anything in that realm that is located in desirable land in SD County because it has long ago been spoken for.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=scaredyclassic]I’d prefer not to live next to a slaughterhouse but if the price is right…[/quote]

Well, scaredy, the price is never right. It seems that some Piggs may choose to “make a tradeoff for the sake of their family” to live in the path of of the likes of “Slaughterhouse Cyn” Rd. off SR-67, the junkyard capital in SD County of both American and Japanese vehicles, lol …. i.e. Lakeside, CA, or similarly situated … roll on, folks …

Caltrans insists that the corridor analysis address each issue and improvement separately. But not one of those issues or improvements studied speaks to the need for a center median anywhere on SR 67 other than a 1.5-mile stretch between Slaughterhouse Canyon and Scripps Poway Parkway. In June 2009, Caltrans completed a project study project/project development report that proposes to add one general-purpose lane in each director from Mapleview to Highland Valley Road/Dye Road.

http://patch.com/california/poway/you-can-t-fix-reckless#.VAAIn6M0_z0

Do Piggs actually realize that two elementary school children were killed crossing the street to their school back in the day by a young speeding motorist on SR-67?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.true-crime/f5G_Bhxv2Zo/

The “Slaughterhouse exit” off SR 67 and surrounds are a sure deathtrap for motorists and pedestrians alike. The fwy was built thru a residential area in Lakeside, CA, which was never configured to accommodate those biz/schools which already existed. In other words, no “service road” existed at the time of the several fatalities in the vicinity that occurred (over and above the deaths of two schoolchildren) due to this (unrestricted) fwy going though.

This is just another classic example of “economic obsolesence,” folks, exacerbated by the new fwy in the presence of both (former) residential construction and (former) school construction.

Our local leaders have not generally been cognizant of the ramifications of their individual votes. Thus, the homebuying contingent who “settle” for incessant “freeway noise” because they “insist” on newer consruction in their price range generally get the bottom of the barrel in local home selection if they choose to buy it. Why?? There isn’t anything in that realm that is located in desirable land in SD County because it has long ago been spoken for.[/quote]

i’ll take it at 25% off. make a good rental.

[zk]

[quote=bearishgurl] Thus, the homebuying contingent who “settle” for incessant “freeway noise” because they “insist” on newer consruction in their price range generally get the bottom of the barrel in local home selection if they choose to buy it. Why?? There isn’t anything in that realm that is located in desirable land in SD County because it has long ago been spoken for.[/quote]

Settle? Sure. But pretty much everyone who’s not rich is settling in some way when they choose their house.

Because they insist on newer home construction? Wow! Let me see if I have your reasoning right: There’s no good land left in SD. So all the houses being built now (newer construction) are near freeways. So if people buy near a freeway, it’s because they “insist” on newer construction. Do I have that right? Is that how you came to the conclusion that…

“the homebuying contingent who “settle” for incessant “freeway noise” because they “insist” on newer consruction in their price range”…?

If that’s how you came to that conclusion, then… well, then you’re a nut. If that’s not how you came to that conclusion, I’d be very interested to hear how you did. It’s fascinating to see that you can’t seem to imagine a person buying a house near a freeway for a good tradeoff (more time with their family), but it’s easy for you to see them buying one for (what you see as) a bad tradeoff (they “insist” on newer construction).

Newer construction is not usually why people choose a home near a freeway. They choose it for a multitude of reasons, most of them likely good, solid reasons. There are plenty of homes near freeways in older areas, and people buy those houses regularly. And most of them probably for good reasons.

You say, “bottom of the barrel in local home selection” as if it’s necessarily a bad thing. If I’d rather live in the worst house in a fairly nice part of Chula Vista than the best house in a bad part of National City (or in a noisy neighborhood near my work so I have more time to spend with my family rather than in a quiet neighborhood farther away), that could easily be a wise choice.

[zk]

[quote=bearishgurl]

Well, scaredy, the price is never right. It seems that some Piggs may choose to “make a tradeoff for the sake of their family” to live in the path of of the likes of “Slaughterhouse Cyn” Rd. off SR-67…
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Which Piggs would that be?

You’re like a polarizing radio talk show host with that attempt at “debate.” You take a person’s comments/ideas (people make tradeoffs for their families) and turn them into “people make tradeoffs for their families and live in deadly places.” Now, your average idiot who listens to polarizing talk show hosts, they can’t see that what you’ve just done is bullshit. They just start thinking that anybody who makes a tradeoff when buying a house is willing to risk the lives of their kids. They think, “man, what horrible people.”

But you’re on piggington. Not only are most people here smarter than that, but also you can’t just cut them off and have them not say anything more, like a radio host can. So, if you come up with weak, lame bullshit like the above (and like pretty much everything you’ve come up with on this thread, from your incorrect understanding of how economic obsolescence relates to buying and selling a home near a freeway to your defensive, puffed up bragging about your local schools (which, according to you, should be meaningless anyway since “CA public school districts can basically place your student anywhere they have room for them so school placement is essentially out of a parents’ control”) to your shrill harping about other schools to your hilarious contention that your feelings weren’t involved to your unsubstantiated claim that my arguments were circular to your assumption that people buy new homes near a freeway because they insist on newer construction), then people will call you on it. As you can see.

And yet you try. You are to be commended for your perseverance. I look forward to your next comment (although I must admit that I’m looking forward even more to my response to your next comment).

[scaredyclassic]

I did not settle in picking my wife. She had the proper features

Nor the house. It was perfect.

Everything in my life is unsettled.

I guess I’m lucky and unstable in life.

[Coronita]

I had to settle to live in the slums of Carmel Valley. I have a tiny front lawn, I have a very tiny backyard, and I have no air conditioning. I don’t have a nice driveway to park 4…sometimes 5 cars..And the stucco exterior is crumbling..I’m too lazy to water my lawn….Nor can I afford to… So green rattle can for me….And I have way too many walls on the inside…..

AN, on the other hand lives in a palace in MM.. He has the finer luxuries of life… Pool, A/C real yards…Solar electricty…And probably has much fewer walls than I do….

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