Local Government’s Now Opening Debtors Prisons

[bsrsharma]

unpaid debts to local municipalities putting you in jail.

Arraya,

It is not that simple; only those debts that arise from a criminal offense land someone in jail. If property tax is not paid, the government takes away your house for auction – not put you in jail. If you don’t pay a business tax, your business will be closed – not put you in jail.

Driving is always considered a privilege and not a right. A person without the means to adhere to all laws shouldn’t drive. Would you like a railroad, bus, airplane or physician to operate without proper license and insurance? Then why allow a dangerous activity like driving a vehicle on public roads to go without strict laws on license & insurance.

I agree living without driving is difficult; but if enough people complain, may be public transport will improve. In fact, a whole lot of people can be helped by making taxi & shuttle (shared taxi) service easier to operate. The unemployed with good driving record and insurance can help people like these folks get around. That is a market solution to the problem; not by decriminalizing license & insurance requirements. Just look what has happened to California (and many other states) by having illegal immigration (de facto) decriminalized. Do you want that lawlessness on roads with 2000-4000 lb vehicles moving at 60-70 mph next to you?

[Arraya]

I am not advocating letting people drive without insurance. Or people getting to commit offenses, unpunished, if poor. Not in the least. I fully understand crime and punishment.

Again, this has nothing to do with traffic offenses or any type of licensing.

It is about putting people in jail for not having money, when having money will keep you out and increasing fines to offset budget shortfalls.

If you think it is a good idea, that is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But, lets not make it about making illegal acts legal or advocating a lawless society.

I guess it would help the unemployment numbers, though.

[Arraya]

I am not advocating letting people drive without insurance. Or people getting to commit offenses, unpunished, if poor. Not in the least. I fully understand crime and punishment.

Again, this has nothing to do with traffic offenses or any type of licensing.

It is about putting people in jail for not having money, when having money will keep you out and increasing fines to offset budget shortfalls.

If you think it is a good idea, that is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But, lets not make it about making illegal acts legal or advocating a lawless society.

I guess it would help the unemployment numbers, though.

[Arraya]

I am not advocating letting people drive without insurance. Or people getting to commit offenses, unpunished, if poor. Not in the least. I fully understand crime and punishment.

Again, this has nothing to do with traffic offenses or any type of licensing.

It is about putting people in jail for not having money, when having money will keep you out and increasing fines to offset budget shortfalls.

If you think it is a good idea, that is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But, lets not make it about making illegal acts legal or advocating a lawless society.

I guess it would help the unemployment numbers, though.

[Arraya]

I am not advocating letting people drive without insurance. Or people getting to commit offenses, unpunished, if poor. Not in the least. I fully understand crime and punishment.

Again, this has nothing to do with traffic offenses or any type of licensing.

It is about putting people in jail for not having money, when having money will keep you out and increasing fines to offset budget shortfalls.

If you think it is a good idea, that is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But, lets not make it about making illegal acts legal or advocating a lawless society.

I guess it would help the unemployment numbers, though.

[Arraya]

I am not advocating letting people drive without insurance. Or people getting to commit offenses, unpunished, if poor. Not in the least. I fully understand crime and punishment.

Again, this has nothing to do with traffic offenses or any type of licensing.

It is about putting people in jail for not having money, when having money will keep you out and increasing fines to offset budget shortfalls.

If you think it is a good idea, that is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But, lets not make it about making illegal acts legal or advocating a lawless society.

I guess it would help the unemployment numbers, though.

[CA renter]

[quote=bsrsharma]unpaid debts to local municipalities putting you in jail.

Arraya,

It is not that simple; only those debts that arise from a criminal offense land someone in jail. If property tax is not paid, the government takes away your house for auction – not put you in jail. If you don’t pay a business tax, your business will be closed – not put you in jail.

Driving is always considered a privilege and not a right. A person without the means to adhere to all laws shouldn’t drive. Would you like a railroad, bus, airplane or physician to operate without proper license and insurance? Then why allow a dangerous activity like driving a vehicle on public roads to go without strict laws on license & insurance.

I agree living without driving is difficult; but if enough people complain, may be public transport will improve. In fact, a whole lot of people can be helped by making taxi & shuttle (shared taxi) service easier to operate. The unemployed with good driving record and insurance can help people like these folks get around. That is a market solution to the problem; not by decriminalizing license & insurance requirements. Just look what has happened to California (and many other states) by having illegal immigration (de facto) decriminalized. Do you want that lawlessness on roads with 2000-4000 lb vehicles moving at 60-70 mph next to you?[/quote]

Agree 100%.

[CA renter]

[quote=bsrsharma]unpaid debts to local municipalities putting you in jail.

Arraya,

It is not that simple; only those debts that arise from a criminal offense land someone in jail. If property tax is not paid, the government takes away your house for auction – not put you in jail. If you don’t pay a business tax, your business will be closed – not put you in jail.

Driving is always considered a privilege and not a right. A person without the means to adhere to all laws shouldn’t drive. Would you like a railroad, bus, airplane or physician to operate without proper license and insurance? Then why allow a dangerous activity like driving a vehicle on public roads to go without strict laws on license & insurance.

I agree living without driving is difficult; but if enough people complain, may be public transport will improve. In fact, a whole lot of people can be helped by making taxi & shuttle (shared taxi) service easier to operate. The unemployed with good driving record and insurance can help people like these folks get around. That is a market solution to the problem; not by decriminalizing license & insurance requirements. Just look what has happened to California (and many other states) by having illegal immigration (de facto) decriminalized. Do you want that lawlessness on roads with 2000-4000 lb vehicles moving at 60-70 mph next to you?[/quote]

Agree 100%.

[CA renter]

[quote=bsrsharma]unpaid debts to local municipalities putting you in jail.

Arraya,

It is not that simple; only those debts that arise from a criminal offense land someone in jail. If property tax is not paid, the government takes away your house for auction – not put you in jail. If you don’t pay a business tax, your business will be closed – not put you in jail.

Driving is always considered a privilege and not a right. A person without the means to adhere to all laws shouldn’t drive. Would you like a railroad, bus, airplane or physician to operate without proper license and insurance? Then why allow a dangerous activity like driving a vehicle on public roads to go without strict laws on license & insurance.

I agree living without driving is difficult; but if enough people complain, may be public transport will improve. In fact, a whole lot of people can be helped by making taxi & shuttle (shared taxi) service easier to operate. The unemployed with good driving record and insurance can help people like these folks get around. That is a market solution to the problem; not by decriminalizing license & insurance requirements. Just look what has happened to California (and many other states) by having illegal immigration (de facto) decriminalized. Do you want that lawlessness on roads with 2000-4000 lb vehicles moving at 60-70 mph next to you?[/quote]

Agree 100%.

[CA renter]

[quote=bsrsharma]unpaid debts to local municipalities putting you in jail.

Arraya,

It is not that simple; only those debts that arise from a criminal offense land someone in jail. If property tax is not paid, the government takes away your house for auction – not put you in jail. If you don’t pay a business tax, your business will be closed – not put you in jail.

Driving is always considered a privilege and not a right. A person without the means to adhere to all laws shouldn’t drive. Would you like a railroad, bus, airplane or physician to operate without proper license and insurance? Then why allow a dangerous activity like driving a vehicle on public roads to go without strict laws on license & insurance.

I agree living without driving is difficult; but if enough people complain, may be public transport will improve. In fact, a whole lot of people can be helped by making taxi & shuttle (shared taxi) service easier to operate. The unemployed with good driving record and insurance can help people like these folks get around. That is a market solution to the problem; not by decriminalizing license & insurance requirements. Just look what has happened to California (and many other states) by having illegal immigration (de facto) decriminalized. Do you want that lawlessness on roads with 2000-4000 lb vehicles moving at 60-70 mph next to you?[/quote]

Agree 100%.

[CA renter]

[quote=bsrsharma]unpaid debts to local municipalities putting you in jail.

Arraya,

It is not that simple; only those debts that arise from a criminal offense land someone in jail. If property tax is not paid, the government takes away your house for auction – not put you in jail. If you don’t pay a business tax, your business will be closed – not put you in jail.

Driving is always considered a privilege and not a right. A person without the means to adhere to all laws shouldn’t drive. Would you like a railroad, bus, airplane or physician to operate without proper license and insurance? Then why allow a dangerous activity like driving a vehicle on public roads to go without strict laws on license & insurance.

I agree living without driving is difficult; but if enough people complain, may be public transport will improve. In fact, a whole lot of people can be helped by making taxi & shuttle (shared taxi) service easier to operate. The unemployed with good driving record and insurance can help people like these folks get around. That is a market solution to the problem; not by decriminalizing license & insurance requirements. Just look what has happened to California (and many other states) by having illegal immigration (de facto) decriminalized. Do you want that lawlessness on roads with 2000-4000 lb vehicles moving at 60-70 mph next to you?[/quote]

Agree 100%.

[NeetaT]

I agree with “Arraya.” Frankly, I’m tired of being fleeced. My new plan is to starve the government, especially the CA government. I try not to purchase any items that have extra taxes associated with them, cigarettes, alcohol, and other such items. I also have a very good RADAR detector and have my cheaper out of state license plate that is photo proof. If you don’t at least try to mitigate the effects of the unrelenting fleecing, you will not have the money to enjoy life. I try to find any loophole I can not to have my money usurped by CA. I have even stopped fishing due to the ridiculous fees charged for a fishing license. I would not be surprised to see a tax on what are now tax free items, such as groceries, in the future. Please join me in a concerted effort to starve the CA government.

[NeetaT]

I agree with “Arraya.” Frankly, I’m tired of being fleeced. My new plan is to starve the government, especially the CA government. I try not to purchase any items that have extra taxes associated with them, cigarettes, alcohol, and other such items. I also have a very good RADAR detector and have my cheaper out of state license plate that is photo proof. If you don’t at least try to mitigate the effects of the unrelenting fleecing, you will not have the money to enjoy life. I try to find any loophole I can not to have my money usurped by CA. I have even stopped fishing due to the ridiculous fees charged for a fishing license. I would not be surprised to see a tax on what are now tax free items, such as groceries, in the future. Please join me in a concerted effort to starve the CA government.

[NeetaT]

I agree with “Arraya.” Frankly, I’m tired of being fleeced. My new plan is to starve the government, especially the CA government. I try not to purchase any items that have extra taxes associated with them, cigarettes, alcohol, and other such items. I also have a very good RADAR detector and have my cheaper out of state license plate that is photo proof. If you don’t at least try to mitigate the effects of the unrelenting fleecing, you will not have the money to enjoy life. I try to find any loophole I can not to have my money usurped by CA. I have even stopped fishing due to the ridiculous fees charged for a fishing license. I would not be surprised to see a tax on what are now tax free items, such as groceries, in the future. Please join me in a concerted effort to starve the CA government.

[NeetaT]

I agree with “Arraya.” Frankly, I’m tired of being fleeced. My new plan is to starve the government, especially the CA government. I try not to purchase any items that have extra taxes associated with them, cigarettes, alcohol, and other such items. I also have a very good RADAR detector and have my cheaper out of state license plate that is photo proof. If you don’t at least try to mitigate the effects of the unrelenting fleecing, you will not have the money to enjoy life. I try to find any loophole I can not to have my money usurped by CA. I have even stopped fishing due to the ridiculous fees charged for a fishing license. I would not be surprised to see a tax on what are now tax free items, such as groceries, in the future. Please join me in a concerted effort to starve the CA government.

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