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February 27, 2007 at 10:03 PM #8486February 27, 2007 at 10:41 PM #46457BoratParticipant
That’s pretty bad, and it reminds me of when Sting used to lead the “Save The Rain Forests” movement. Of course Sting gets to be a famous and wealthy rock star in part because his country cut down all of their trees a long time ago in order to build and advance their country and provide him with a good, safe environment to live in; now he travels to the Amazon to tell the quaint little natives to keep their rain forests intact so that wealthy westerners can come look at them living in their primitive, “natural” state. Many of the people in developing areas just want a car, a fridge, and air conditioning like everyone else.
This hypocrisy, however, doesn’t invalidate what either Sting or Al Gore are saying — it is true that man is on a collision course with nature and that if we don’t moderate our resource use, we are going to be in for some hard times. The elephant in the room that no one will talk about is birth control/population control but that’s a topic for another day…
February 27, 2007 at 11:02 PM #46460PerryChaseParticipantIf I were the Brazilians, I’d say pay me to save the trees for you. What are they worth to you?
Al Gore’s energy consumption is not that much for a rich guy. They have a staff and each person uses energy. All by itself the data presented is meaningless. How does it compare to the energy usage of a home of similar size in the same climate?
You may have a good reason to drive a big truck. What Al Gore is saying is that we should require the auto industry to improve the mileage of that big truck so you can still do whatever you need to do without consuming as much energy. I don’t see any hypocrisy in that. The same goes for housing insulation, lighting and appliances.
I agree with Borat. The best way to save the planet is to limit the number of newborns. I’ve done my part. I have no kids.
February 28, 2007 at 12:46 AM #46462chewie83ParticipantAl Gore said at the awards ceremony that it isn’t a political issue, it is a moral issue. He lectured Americans that it is our moral duty to reduce our energy consumption. He is just a big phoney.
February 28, 2007 at 7:01 AM #46465Steve BeeboParticipantWhen Al gets up to 300 pounds, (probably by around next weekend), he’ll tell us that we eat too much, too.
BIG, BIG phoney.
February 28, 2007 at 7:22 AM #46468PDParticipantHe should be turning his home into a showplace for alternative energy. Otherwise, his consumption makes him look foolish.
I like how PerryChase gave Gore a free ride on this one because he is a rich guy. I guess all rich people can consume as much as they want, according to Perry. Therefore, since Amercians are richer than most of the world, we can consume as much as we want! Yippie!! Hummers for everyone!! Let poor people tighten their belts, they are used to it!
February 28, 2007 at 8:44 AM #46480greekfireParticipantPerry, I like the old spin-technique to a slide-step maneuver. Are you sure you aren't a politician? I studied the environment in my undergrad days and I personally think it is an issue that we just can't poo-poo about. However, the message that many of the elitists (on both sides) provide just does not resonate with me and many other average Americans because they simply do not practice what they preach.
Regarding population growth, I am in favor of smart, responsible growth. I even have a website devoted to the issue of population called PopulationWar.com (http://populationwar.com/). There are articles related to population growth as well as a forum to sound off on. – shameless plug :-)…I need some traffic!
February 28, 2007 at 8:49 AM #46482(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantPerryChase was right. Rich people are different.
Us regular people need to switch from driving our F350 extended cab pick-ups and start driving Prius’ … to compensate for rich people’s energy use.P.S. – This is not just a liberal issue. All politicians are hypocrites.
February 28, 2007 at 12:55 PM #46515PerryChaseParticipantLife is all about paradoxes. So what, you don’t want to listen to Gore because he lives in a big house and consumes a lot of energy?
Do you stop going to church because of some sex scandals?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070228-9999-7n28diocese.htmlYou guys are missing the point on the environment. The key is not to deny the obvious and start transitioning to new technologies so we don’t have to make sacrifices and lower our standard of living in the future.
I’ve made improvements to my house and I’ve cut my energy use about 50% from 10 years ago. It’s not affected my lifestyle one bit. In fact, I run the air-conditioner more often now; so, if anything, my standard of living improved.
Let’s all do our little part rather than trying to kill the messenger because we’re too lazy to examine our own behavior.
February 28, 2007 at 1:01 PM #46517PDParticipantUh, the point here is that Gore needs to examine his own behavior. He is setting himself up a moral standard bearer yet he is a huge consumer of energy. He needs to clean up his own act or else he has no legitimacy.
The church does not lose legitimacy because of a bad priest (unles it condones bad behavior). However, the priest loses legitimacy.
The green movement does not lose legitimacy because Gore consumes pigish amount of enegry. Gore himself loses legitimacy.
February 28, 2007 at 1:17 PM #46520ucodegenParticipantOn a previous post, (Global Warming) I was posting that global warming was not significantly due to C02 as many think.. that being said, I don’t think we can ignore energy consumption.
It was previously stated that a rich man’s consumption is intrinsically different. I disagree. If Gore truly believes what he preaches.. he would be ‘walking the walk’ as well.
To back this up.. introduce the website of someone who talks the talk AND walks the walk.. it is the website to his house, and he has it connected to his power controllers. He knows how much he is generating and consuming at any particular time.. and lets you know too!
Negative values means that he is putting that amount of energy back into the grid (net generator).
http://www2.solarwarrior.com/solarstatus.htmlThis guy made his money during the dot com period.. and some of it to literally walk the walk..
February 28, 2007 at 1:47 PM #46522PerryChaseParticipantI can accept your point of view, PD.
It would be interesting to see how Al Gore’s house stacks up to other similar houses in terms of energy use.
I believe that Al Gore lives in his old family home. What would you expect him to do? Raze the house and turn the land into a park, then move to a small apartment? Would it not be an even greater waste of resources to destroy what’s already built?
I don’t think that an environmentalist should never drive an SUV or live in a big house. Just like I don’t believe that one who fights hunger should starve himself or deny himself delicious dishes.
The Pope lives in gilded luxury at the Vatican and travels on private jet. Is his message of humility, piety, modesty and charity any less powerful because he doesn’t live in a hut?
February 28, 2007 at 1:57 PM #46524FutureSDguyParticipantPerryChase makes a gosh darn excellent point: focus on the message not the messenger.
I distinguish between hypocracy and double-standards. Beneficial hypocracy can recognize a weakness of self but is still committed to general betterment. Double-standards recognizes a weakness of self and does nothing about it.
Analogy: “I think everyone should at drive the speed limit, but I still drive too fast” is better than “I think everyone else except me should drive at the speed limit.”
Gore is guilty of a double-standard, and in this case, it’s worse because the nature of his hypocracy is still beneficial. (i.e. the message is still good, but the messenger is a lazy liar.) (BTW, I mean “good” on the assumption that CO2 reduction is really needed.)
February 28, 2007 at 2:11 PM #46526AnonymousGuestI hope everyone has seen his move, “Inconvenient Truth.” I just recently experienced it and was disturbed by the presentation. I approached the movie from the standpoint that it was going to be an objective, dispassionate display of evidence that irrefutably establishes that global warming is occurring, that it’s cause is unquestionably, human CO2 emissions, and that most scientists accept that reality. In fact, in the interest of full disclosure, I accept the premise and the arguments.
However, what was disconcerting about the film is that it was to a large extent all about Al Gore. The viewer gets to hear about Gore’s young son’s brush with death and Gore’s older sister’s death from lung cancer due to smoking. So what! What do those two events have to do with global warming? In the context of the film, it’s as though those events are just thrown in to make the viewer feel sorry for Al Gore. And, there are other examples of the typical Clintonesque “the poor children” approach to rationalizing arguments. There’s the polar bear that drowns because he can’t swim to the next ice floe and some other baby animal or animals (I can’t remember the details of which) are going to die because of global warming.
What is scary about my reaction to the film is that I find myself agreeing with Sean Hannity in seeing the film more as a “cult of personality” tribute to Al Gore rather than being a believable documentary about the underlying subject. (What’s scary about that is that I disagree with Sean Hannity about just about every other conceivable subject under the sun.)
While I tend to think that politically I differ from most of the others who have posted on this subject, I find myself agreeing with those posters who take issue with politicians and celebrities who use the issues of the day as a way in which to advance their own careers. Further, I agree with those posters who point out the hypocrisy of telling those in the third world and emerging economies that they have to conduct themselves in a certain way so that the affluent lifestyle which we have established for ourselves is preserved and unaffected.
But then, it’s all going to become a moot point when the real estate implosion drags down every other aspect of the American economy.
February 28, 2007 at 2:16 PM #46527PerryChaseParticipantBelow is how the Anonymous Liberal puts it.
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Monday, February 26, 2007
Gore’s Energy Use
(Updated below)The right-wing noise machine really is a remarkable thing to behold. Al Gore wins an Oscar, gets some well-deserved recognition for his efforts, and within hours the Republican noise machine is already in full smear mode, trying to undercut Gore’s message by attacking him personally.
It began this morning when a group that no one has ever heard of–the Tennessee Center for Policy Research–issued a press release claiming that Al Gore’s utility bills reveal that his house in Nashville uses 20 times more energy than the average American household. This, according to the group, makes Al Gore an enormous hypocrite.
The press release, which apparently went to every right-wing flack on the planet, was featured prominently on the Drudge Report and was the topic de jour on conservative talk radio and cable news. The right-wing blogosphere didn’t miss a beat either. Before long Glenn Reynolds, Townhall, Free Republic, Hot Air, and all the other usual suspects were linking to the story and ridiculing Gore (here’s a memeorandum snapshot).
This is a textbook example of the mindless swarming behavior that is so typical among right-wing partisan flacks. First, everyone on the right–from top to bottom–simply assumed that the content of this press release, which was put out by an organization none of them had ever heard of before, was factually accurate. Actually, that probably gives them too much credit. It’s not that they assumed it was accurate, it’s that they didn’t care. The press release was chock-full of truthiness, and that was good enough.
The press release claimed that Al Gore’s home in Nashville consumed 221,000 kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity last year compared to a national average of 10,656 kWh per household. I have no idea whether the number cited for Gore’s house is correct, but let’s assume it is. The 10,656 number comes from data published by the Department of Energy. But it’s an average of all households nationwide (including apartment units and mobile homes) and across all climate regions. As it turns out, the region in which Gore lives–the East South Central–has the highest per household energy usage of any climate region in the country, a good 50% higher than the national average quoted in the press release (I assume this is due to the combination of cold winters and hot, muggy summers). So that’s misleading in and of itself.
Moreover, Gore lives in a large home (10,000 sq. ft.). If you look at the data, it’s clear that Gore’s energy usage per square foot (even assuming the 221,000 kWh number is accurate) is well within the average range for his climate region. So all this accusation boils down to is a claim that it is somehow “hypocritical” for Al Gore to live in a large house.
That’s awfully weak. Gore’s a former Senator and Vice President of the United States. Does he have to move into a studio apartment before he has the right to talk about climate change?
And more importantly, as Think Progress reports, even this watered-down hypocrisy charge entirely misses the point. What Al Gore wants people to do is reduce the carbon footprint of their residence as much as possible and then purchase carbon offsets to reduce the remaining footprint to zero. Gore has installed solar panels in his home, he uses fluorescent light bulbs and other energy saving technology, and he purchases his energy from Green Power Switch, a provider which utilizes solar and wind power. He then purchases carbon offsets to reduce his remaining carbon footprint to zero.
Could Gore use less overall energy if he and Tipper moved into a one-bedroom apartment? Of course. But he’s not asking people to move into smaller homes. He’s asking them to reduce their carbon footprints, which is exactly what he has done. He practices what he preaches.
And last but not least, I’m always amazed by the triumphalism displayed by right-wingers when they think they’ve managed to humiliate a messenger, as if doing so somehow undermines the message itself. It’s bizarre. I mean, suppose Al Gore was caught tomorrow driving around the country in a fleet of Hummers that run on solid coal. Would that somehow invalidate decades of scientific research? Could the inhabitants of low-lying Pacific Islands suddenly breath a sigh of relief? It’s sad what passes for logic these days on the Right.
For more on this topic and the shady group behind this smear, see this excellent post by Dave Johnson.
http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2007/02/a_far_too_conve.htm
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