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June 9, 2008 at 3:33 PM #220604June 9, 2008 at 3:53 PM #220455waiting for bottomParticipant
I guess my point that every here is missing is that ‘class’ is not solely determined by salary.
I know people who are from well-off families and work as middle school teachers making $125K in total. They are much better off than I as they have no student loans, parents bought them a house and cars, etc.
Class is determined more by net worth than by annual income.
My family makes almost $250K per year and we are definitely not rich.
June 9, 2008 at 3:53 PM #220553waiting for bottomParticipantI guess my point that every here is missing is that ‘class’ is not solely determined by salary.
I know people who are from well-off families and work as middle school teachers making $125K in total. They are much better off than I as they have no student loans, parents bought them a house and cars, etc.
Class is determined more by net worth than by annual income.
My family makes almost $250K per year and we are definitely not rich.
June 9, 2008 at 3:53 PM #220567waiting for bottomParticipantI guess my point that every here is missing is that ‘class’ is not solely determined by salary.
I know people who are from well-off families and work as middle school teachers making $125K in total. They are much better off than I as they have no student loans, parents bought them a house and cars, etc.
Class is determined more by net worth than by annual income.
My family makes almost $250K per year and we are definitely not rich.
June 9, 2008 at 3:53 PM #220598waiting for bottomParticipantI guess my point that every here is missing is that ‘class’ is not solely determined by salary.
I know people who are from well-off families and work as middle school teachers making $125K in total. They are much better off than I as they have no student loans, parents bought them a house and cars, etc.
Class is determined more by net worth than by annual income.
My family makes almost $250K per year and we are definitely not rich.
June 9, 2008 at 3:53 PM #220619waiting for bottomParticipantI guess my point that every here is missing is that ‘class’ is not solely determined by salary.
I know people who are from well-off families and work as middle school teachers making $125K in total. They are much better off than I as they have no student loans, parents bought them a house and cars, etc.
Class is determined more by net worth than by annual income.
My family makes almost $250K per year and we are definitely not rich.
June 9, 2008 at 3:54 PM #220460DWCAPParticipantAluka1992,
The problem with your analagy is that it assumes that everyone gets the same beer and entertainment. In our unequal society (the natural state of things and not “correctable”) the guy paying the most gets his favorite beer first, and it is cold and is a freakin full keg. The next guy gets a pony keg and it is just as cold. Number 8 gets one of those “personal kegs” that heiniken cameout with last year, you know something like 5L. The #7 guy gets a full pint, and while it isnt quite as cold as the richest guy, it sure tastes good. This goes on down to the last three guys who get warm piss water in a shot glass.
You can try to say everyone got a beer, so everyone should pay the same (the natural conclusion of your argument) but what will happen then is the three guys drinking piss water shots will team up either to rob the bar and split the spoils 3 ways, or team up with the 3 guys drinking natty light to bud light (4,5,6) and take the good stuff by force. This has been shown throughout history.
June 9, 2008 at 3:54 PM #220556DWCAPParticipantAluka1992,
The problem with your analagy is that it assumes that everyone gets the same beer and entertainment. In our unequal society (the natural state of things and not “correctable”) the guy paying the most gets his favorite beer first, and it is cold and is a freakin full keg. The next guy gets a pony keg and it is just as cold. Number 8 gets one of those “personal kegs” that heiniken cameout with last year, you know something like 5L. The #7 guy gets a full pint, and while it isnt quite as cold as the richest guy, it sure tastes good. This goes on down to the last three guys who get warm piss water in a shot glass.
You can try to say everyone got a beer, so everyone should pay the same (the natural conclusion of your argument) but what will happen then is the three guys drinking piss water shots will team up either to rob the bar and split the spoils 3 ways, or team up with the 3 guys drinking natty light to bud light (4,5,6) and take the good stuff by force. This has been shown throughout history.
June 9, 2008 at 3:54 PM #220571DWCAPParticipantAluka1992,
The problem with your analagy is that it assumes that everyone gets the same beer and entertainment. In our unequal society (the natural state of things and not “correctable”) the guy paying the most gets his favorite beer first, and it is cold and is a freakin full keg. The next guy gets a pony keg and it is just as cold. Number 8 gets one of those “personal kegs” that heiniken cameout with last year, you know something like 5L. The #7 guy gets a full pint, and while it isnt quite as cold as the richest guy, it sure tastes good. This goes on down to the last three guys who get warm piss water in a shot glass.
You can try to say everyone got a beer, so everyone should pay the same (the natural conclusion of your argument) but what will happen then is the three guys drinking piss water shots will team up either to rob the bar and split the spoils 3 ways, or team up with the 3 guys drinking natty light to bud light (4,5,6) and take the good stuff by force. This has been shown throughout history.
June 9, 2008 at 3:54 PM #220603DWCAPParticipantAluka1992,
The problem with your analagy is that it assumes that everyone gets the same beer and entertainment. In our unequal society (the natural state of things and not “correctable”) the guy paying the most gets his favorite beer first, and it is cold and is a freakin full keg. The next guy gets a pony keg and it is just as cold. Number 8 gets one of those “personal kegs” that heiniken cameout with last year, you know something like 5L. The #7 guy gets a full pint, and while it isnt quite as cold as the richest guy, it sure tastes good. This goes on down to the last three guys who get warm piss water in a shot glass.
You can try to say everyone got a beer, so everyone should pay the same (the natural conclusion of your argument) but what will happen then is the three guys drinking piss water shots will team up either to rob the bar and split the spoils 3 ways, or team up with the 3 guys drinking natty light to bud light (4,5,6) and take the good stuff by force. This has been shown throughout history.
June 9, 2008 at 3:54 PM #220624DWCAPParticipantAluka1992,
The problem with your analagy is that it assumes that everyone gets the same beer and entertainment. In our unequal society (the natural state of things and not “correctable”) the guy paying the most gets his favorite beer first, and it is cold and is a freakin full keg. The next guy gets a pony keg and it is just as cold. Number 8 gets one of those “personal kegs” that heiniken cameout with last year, you know something like 5L. The #7 guy gets a full pint, and while it isnt quite as cold as the richest guy, it sure tastes good. This goes on down to the last three guys who get warm piss water in a shot glass.
You can try to say everyone got a beer, so everyone should pay the same (the natural conclusion of your argument) but what will happen then is the three guys drinking piss water shots will team up either to rob the bar and split the spoils 3 ways, or team up with the 3 guys drinking natty light to bud light (4,5,6) and take the good stuff by force. This has been shown throughout history.
June 9, 2008 at 4:11 PM #220485meadandaleParticipantVery few of us “socialists” are talking about the mechanic shop or restaurant owner, etc.
Yet, the very taxes you are proposing raising would, in many cases, dramatically affect these very people.
I know that, as a consultant, who is incorporated as a one person company, I’m paying more taxes now than ever before–by a wide margin.
Yes, I’m doing better as well…but I’d suggest that some of you who want to raise taxes actually sit down a few times a year and write out a couple of 5 figure checks to the government and see how you feel about it then. That doesn’t even include the payroll taxes I’m paying, that’s just quarterly income taxes.
When you actually have to put pen to paper and write down those large digits on the check you are sending off, it seems a little more real than some arbitrary number you see on your check stub that you never think about.
June 9, 2008 at 4:11 PM #220582meadandaleParticipantVery few of us “socialists” are talking about the mechanic shop or restaurant owner, etc.
Yet, the very taxes you are proposing raising would, in many cases, dramatically affect these very people.
I know that, as a consultant, who is incorporated as a one person company, I’m paying more taxes now than ever before–by a wide margin.
Yes, I’m doing better as well…but I’d suggest that some of you who want to raise taxes actually sit down a few times a year and write out a couple of 5 figure checks to the government and see how you feel about it then. That doesn’t even include the payroll taxes I’m paying, that’s just quarterly income taxes.
When you actually have to put pen to paper and write down those large digits on the check you are sending off, it seems a little more real than some arbitrary number you see on your check stub that you never think about.
June 9, 2008 at 4:11 PM #220596meadandaleParticipantVery few of us “socialists” are talking about the mechanic shop or restaurant owner, etc.
Yet, the very taxes you are proposing raising would, in many cases, dramatically affect these very people.
I know that, as a consultant, who is incorporated as a one person company, I’m paying more taxes now than ever before–by a wide margin.
Yes, I’m doing better as well…but I’d suggest that some of you who want to raise taxes actually sit down a few times a year and write out a couple of 5 figure checks to the government and see how you feel about it then. That doesn’t even include the payroll taxes I’m paying, that’s just quarterly income taxes.
When you actually have to put pen to paper and write down those large digits on the check you are sending off, it seems a little more real than some arbitrary number you see on your check stub that you never think about.
June 9, 2008 at 4:11 PM #220628meadandaleParticipantVery few of us “socialists” are talking about the mechanic shop or restaurant owner, etc.
Yet, the very taxes you are proposing raising would, in many cases, dramatically affect these very people.
I know that, as a consultant, who is incorporated as a one person company, I’m paying more taxes now than ever before–by a wide margin.
Yes, I’m doing better as well…but I’d suggest that some of you who want to raise taxes actually sit down a few times a year and write out a couple of 5 figure checks to the government and see how you feel about it then. That doesn’t even include the payroll taxes I’m paying, that’s just quarterly income taxes.
When you actually have to put pen to paper and write down those large digits on the check you are sending off, it seems a little more real than some arbitrary number you see on your check stub that you never think about.
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