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December 14, 2007 at 11:20 PM #117722December 15, 2007 at 7:52 AM #117640JumbyParticipant
WOW indeed. I have more respect for Cramer now.
December 15, 2007 at 7:52 AM #117766JumbyParticipantWOW indeed. I have more respect for Cramer now.
December 15, 2007 at 7:52 AM #117802JumbyParticipantWOW indeed. I have more respect for Cramer now.
December 15, 2007 at 7:52 AM #117842JumbyParticipantWOW indeed. I have more respect for Cramer now.
December 15, 2007 at 7:52 AM #117865JumbyParticipantWOW indeed. I have more respect for Cramer now.
December 15, 2007 at 9:05 AM #117710condogrrlParticipantI’m with pbnative on Ron Paul. You men may not care if women’s bodies are controlled by the government, but for women, a person’s stand on abortion is THE litmus test. How would all you men like it if ALL women said no to intercourse without safe and legal abortions?
I don’t think abortion should be the preferable form of birth control, but it has to be available for cases of rape and all other cases of intercourse that is coerced.
That life begins at conception happens to be Ron Paul’s personal belief, but it is not everyone’s belief, and is not the belief of many other currently practiced religions, all of which are patriarchal.
December 15, 2007 at 9:05 AM #117836condogrrlParticipantI’m with pbnative on Ron Paul. You men may not care if women’s bodies are controlled by the government, but for women, a person’s stand on abortion is THE litmus test. How would all you men like it if ALL women said no to intercourse without safe and legal abortions?
I don’t think abortion should be the preferable form of birth control, but it has to be available for cases of rape and all other cases of intercourse that is coerced.
That life begins at conception happens to be Ron Paul’s personal belief, but it is not everyone’s belief, and is not the belief of many other currently practiced religions, all of which are patriarchal.
December 15, 2007 at 9:05 AM #117873condogrrlParticipantI’m with pbnative on Ron Paul. You men may not care if women’s bodies are controlled by the government, but for women, a person’s stand on abortion is THE litmus test. How would all you men like it if ALL women said no to intercourse without safe and legal abortions?
I don’t think abortion should be the preferable form of birth control, but it has to be available for cases of rape and all other cases of intercourse that is coerced.
That life begins at conception happens to be Ron Paul’s personal belief, but it is not everyone’s belief, and is not the belief of many other currently practiced religions, all of which are patriarchal.
December 15, 2007 at 9:05 AM #117912condogrrlParticipantI’m with pbnative on Ron Paul. You men may not care if women’s bodies are controlled by the government, but for women, a person’s stand on abortion is THE litmus test. How would all you men like it if ALL women said no to intercourse without safe and legal abortions?
I don’t think abortion should be the preferable form of birth control, but it has to be available for cases of rape and all other cases of intercourse that is coerced.
That life begins at conception happens to be Ron Paul’s personal belief, but it is not everyone’s belief, and is not the belief of many other currently practiced religions, all of which are patriarchal.
December 15, 2007 at 9:05 AM #117934condogrrlParticipantI’m with pbnative on Ron Paul. You men may not care if women’s bodies are controlled by the government, but for women, a person’s stand on abortion is THE litmus test. How would all you men like it if ALL women said no to intercourse without safe and legal abortions?
I don’t think abortion should be the preferable form of birth control, but it has to be available for cases of rape and all other cases of intercourse that is coerced.
That life begins at conception happens to be Ron Paul’s personal belief, but it is not everyone’s belief, and is not the belief of many other currently practiced religions, all of which are patriarchal.
December 15, 2007 at 10:05 AM #117730NotCrankyParticipantO.K. Allan.
I had to take time to process the last few posts we exchanged.Maybe we had a bit of a misunderstanding on the appeasement issue.
I agree that many choices in conflict are between bad and worse. I also suppose that U.S. military dominance creates a feeling of responsibility to act when ‘humanity’ is being violated, even when innocent blood must be shed to pursue something better than the ‘worst’ imbalance. My cynicism comes from the observation that the first U.S. priority is to be self serving or focus on preservation of our imperial power. Sometimes this priority coincides with achieving something better than the ‘worst’.Most obviously WW2. In those cases it’s easy to advertise strength and moral willingness as a means to cover up our primary self serving goals. I think We also deny that strength and moral willingness could be a component of our adversaries’ motivation. Therefore, we feel justified to clothe our self preservation in the robes of justice but clothe those who dare to be different in the black robes of terror. Sometimes our endeavors have nothing to do with how the other parties fare, but only to promote our strategic or economic benefit. Also our goverment frequently fails to interevne when there is obviously good cause for the same wrong reason of self interest and self preservation and also including appeasement of lesser dominant forces.
Ultimately I believe our imperial path is not sancrosant in any way relative to how it has been done before or how another nation might have done it in our stead or will do it in the future. My idealist problem, with this is that we pave the way for war, that might be avoidable , when we deny it.December 15, 2007 at 10:05 AM #117856NotCrankyParticipantO.K. Allan.
I had to take time to process the last few posts we exchanged.Maybe we had a bit of a misunderstanding on the appeasement issue.
I agree that many choices in conflict are between bad and worse. I also suppose that U.S. military dominance creates a feeling of responsibility to act when ‘humanity’ is being violated, even when innocent blood must be shed to pursue something better than the ‘worst’ imbalance. My cynicism comes from the observation that the first U.S. priority is to be self serving or focus on preservation of our imperial power. Sometimes this priority coincides with achieving something better than the ‘worst’.Most obviously WW2. In those cases it’s easy to advertise strength and moral willingness as a means to cover up our primary self serving goals. I think We also deny that strength and moral willingness could be a component of our adversaries’ motivation. Therefore, we feel justified to clothe our self preservation in the robes of justice but clothe those who dare to be different in the black robes of terror. Sometimes our endeavors have nothing to do with how the other parties fare, but only to promote our strategic or economic benefit. Also our goverment frequently fails to interevne when there is obviously good cause for the same wrong reason of self interest and self preservation and also including appeasement of lesser dominant forces.
Ultimately I believe our imperial path is not sancrosant in any way relative to how it has been done before or how another nation might have done it in our stead or will do it in the future. My idealist problem, with this is that we pave the way for war, that might be avoidable , when we deny it.December 15, 2007 at 10:05 AM #117892NotCrankyParticipantO.K. Allan.
I had to take time to process the last few posts we exchanged.Maybe we had a bit of a misunderstanding on the appeasement issue.
I agree that many choices in conflict are between bad and worse. I also suppose that U.S. military dominance creates a feeling of responsibility to act when ‘humanity’ is being violated, even when innocent blood must be shed to pursue something better than the ‘worst’ imbalance. My cynicism comes from the observation that the first U.S. priority is to be self serving or focus on preservation of our imperial power. Sometimes this priority coincides with achieving something better than the ‘worst’.Most obviously WW2. In those cases it’s easy to advertise strength and moral willingness as a means to cover up our primary self serving goals. I think We also deny that strength and moral willingness could be a component of our adversaries’ motivation. Therefore, we feel justified to clothe our self preservation in the robes of justice but clothe those who dare to be different in the black robes of terror. Sometimes our endeavors have nothing to do with how the other parties fare, but only to promote our strategic or economic benefit. Also our goverment frequently fails to interevne when there is obviously good cause for the same wrong reason of self interest and self preservation and also including appeasement of lesser dominant forces.
Ultimately I believe our imperial path is not sancrosant in any way relative to how it has been done before or how another nation might have done it in our stead or will do it in the future. My idealist problem, with this is that we pave the way for war, that might be avoidable , when we deny it.December 15, 2007 at 10:05 AM #117933NotCrankyParticipantO.K. Allan.
I had to take time to process the last few posts we exchanged.Maybe we had a bit of a misunderstanding on the appeasement issue.
I agree that many choices in conflict are between bad and worse. I also suppose that U.S. military dominance creates a feeling of responsibility to act when ‘humanity’ is being violated, even when innocent blood must be shed to pursue something better than the ‘worst’ imbalance. My cynicism comes from the observation that the first U.S. priority is to be self serving or focus on preservation of our imperial power. Sometimes this priority coincides with achieving something better than the ‘worst’.Most obviously WW2. In those cases it’s easy to advertise strength and moral willingness as a means to cover up our primary self serving goals. I think We also deny that strength and moral willingness could be a component of our adversaries’ motivation. Therefore, we feel justified to clothe our self preservation in the robes of justice but clothe those who dare to be different in the black robes of terror. Sometimes our endeavors have nothing to do with how the other parties fare, but only to promote our strategic or economic benefit. Also our goverment frequently fails to interevne when there is obviously good cause for the same wrong reason of self interest and self preservation and also including appeasement of lesser dominant forces.
Ultimately I believe our imperial path is not sancrosant in any way relative to how it has been done before or how another nation might have done it in our stead or will do it in the future. My idealist problem, with this is that we pave the way for war, that might be avoidable , when we deny it. -
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