IT Jobs ???? In San Diego ??? Anywhere ????

[Anonymous]

Employers that have a choice between a competent employee with a degree and a competent employee without a degree (not just in IT but any discipline) at a similar salary will most likely choose the former. At the very least a degree is indicative of the ability to successfully achieve objective goals. The last 15 or so years have been an anomaly in IT in that demand has exceeded supply. A rising tide lifts all ships per se so the college-drop-out DBA for example, has been overpaid relative to their intrinsic value. The problem is that many of these people know nothing else, not unlike someone that bought a house in 1996 and was convinced that housing always appreciated and only at 10+% rates.

Recessions suck and I hope that this one, deep as it may be, will end in the foreseeable future. But one advantage of a recession is that it tends to shake out inefficiencies in the marketplace and a good example is a college drop out DBA making $125,000 per year or a used car saleperson turned mortgage salesperson making even more than that. Like housing hyperinflation this isn’t sustainable in the long run.

Peace

[anxvariety]

[quote=doofrat]

I know several brilliant people in IT who have no degree, it’s not that uncommon. In IT, you have to produce, and a degree (even in Computer Science) will not really make a difference one way or another.
[/quote]

You’d be surprised.. some HR journal must have said something about requiring degrees being a good idea. I’ve never seen more jobs in IT that are requiring degrees. Often times those requirements are firm enough to prevent a discussion on the subject from coming up..

It’s VERY bad in IT right now.. some people will say it’s fine and they probably have jobs.. in the coming months it will be obvious to everyone how bad it is.. lots of layoffs to come and many people cruising along on unemployment..

Personally, I’ve sent my resume out 78 times(counted yesterday) in the last couple of months and I’ve gotten probably 3 automated responses! In the past I got every job I interviewed for, so I’m very qualified and interview well.. the employers are just being barraged by resumes so no matter how good you are, it’s hard to get in. The companies that will likely respond are the ones paying $15/hr for what normally pays $80,000-120,000!

Try contracting.. use Craigshelper and check off ‘telecommute’ you can find quite a few good contracts jobs remotely that way – that’s how I got my current contracts.

[anxvariety]

[quote=doofrat]

I know several brilliant people in IT who have no degree, it’s not that uncommon. In IT, you have to produce, and a degree (even in Computer Science) will not really make a difference one way or another.
[/quote]

You’d be surprised.. some HR journal must have said something about requiring degrees being a good idea. I’ve never seen more jobs in IT that are requiring degrees. Often times those requirements are firm enough to prevent a discussion on the subject from coming up..

It’s VERY bad in IT right now.. some people will say it’s fine and they probably have jobs.. in the coming months it will be obvious to everyone how bad it is.. lots of layoffs to come and many people cruising along on unemployment..

Personally, I’ve sent my resume out 78 times(counted yesterday) in the last couple of months and I’ve gotten probably 3 automated responses! In the past I got every job I interviewed for, so I’m very qualified and interview well.. the employers are just being barraged by resumes so no matter how good you are, it’s hard to get in. The companies that will likely respond are the ones paying $15/hr for what normally pays $80,000-120,000!

Try contracting.. use Craigshelper and check off ‘telecommute’ you can find quite a few good contracts jobs remotely that way – that’s how I got my current contracts.

[anxvariety]

[quote=doofrat]

I know several brilliant people in IT who have no degree, it’s not that uncommon. In IT, you have to produce, and a degree (even in Computer Science) will not really make a difference one way or another.
[/quote]

You’d be surprised.. some HR journal must have said something about requiring degrees being a good idea. I’ve never seen more jobs in IT that are requiring degrees. Often times those requirements are firm enough to prevent a discussion on the subject from coming up..

It’s VERY bad in IT right now.. some people will say it’s fine and they probably have jobs.. in the coming months it will be obvious to everyone how bad it is.. lots of layoffs to come and many people cruising along on unemployment..

Personally, I’ve sent my resume out 78 times(counted yesterday) in the last couple of months and I’ve gotten probably 3 automated responses! In the past I got every job I interviewed for, so I’m very qualified and interview well.. the employers are just being barraged by resumes so no matter how good you are, it’s hard to get in. The companies that will likely respond are the ones paying $15/hr for what normally pays $80,000-120,000!

Try contracting.. use Craigshelper and check off ‘telecommute’ you can find quite a few good contracts jobs remotely that way – that’s how I got my current contracts.

[anxvariety]

[quote=doofrat]

I know several brilliant people in IT who have no degree, it’s not that uncommon. In IT, you have to produce, and a degree (even in Computer Science) will not really make a difference one way or another.
[/quote]

You’d be surprised.. some HR journal must have said something about requiring degrees being a good idea. I’ve never seen more jobs in IT that are requiring degrees. Often times those requirements are firm enough to prevent a discussion on the subject from coming up..

It’s VERY bad in IT right now.. some people will say it’s fine and they probably have jobs.. in the coming months it will be obvious to everyone how bad it is.. lots of layoffs to come and many people cruising along on unemployment..

Personally, I’ve sent my resume out 78 times(counted yesterday) in the last couple of months and I’ve gotten probably 3 automated responses! In the past I got every job I interviewed for, so I’m very qualified and interview well.. the employers are just being barraged by resumes so no matter how good you are, it’s hard to get in. The companies that will likely respond are the ones paying $15/hr for what normally pays $80,000-120,000!

Try contracting.. use Craigshelper and check off ‘telecommute’ you can find quite a few good contracts jobs remotely that way – that’s how I got my current contracts.

[anxvariety]

[quote=doofrat]

I know several brilliant people in IT who have no degree, it’s not that uncommon. In IT, you have to produce, and a degree (even in Computer Science) will not really make a difference one way or another.
[/quote]

You’d be surprised.. some HR journal must have said something about requiring degrees being a good idea. I’ve never seen more jobs in IT that are requiring degrees. Often times those requirements are firm enough to prevent a discussion on the subject from coming up..

It’s VERY bad in IT right now.. some people will say it’s fine and they probably have jobs.. in the coming months it will be obvious to everyone how bad it is.. lots of layoffs to come and many people cruising along on unemployment..

Personally, I’ve sent my resume out 78 times(counted yesterday) in the last couple of months and I’ve gotten probably 3 automated responses! In the past I got every job I interviewed for, so I’m very qualified and interview well.. the employers are just being barraged by resumes so no matter how good you are, it’s hard to get in. The companies that will likely respond are the ones paying $15/hr for what normally pays $80,000-120,000!

Try contracting.. use Craigshelper and check off ‘telecommute’ you can find quite a few good contracts jobs remotely that way – that’s how I got my current contracts.

[Doofrat]

Anxvariety,
What IT field are you in? Just curious.

Doofrat

[Doofrat]

Anxvariety,
What IT field are you in? Just curious.

Doofrat

[Doofrat]

Anxvariety,
What IT field are you in? Just curious.

Doofrat

[Doofrat]

Anxvariety,
What IT field are you in? Just curious.

Doofrat

[Doofrat]

Anxvariety,
What IT field are you in? Just curious.

Doofrat

[kewp]

[quote=anxvariety]
You’d be surprised.. some HR journal must have said something about requiring degrees being a good idea. I’ve never seen more jobs in IT that are requiring degrees. Often times those requirements are firm enough to prevent a discussion on the subject from coming up.[/quote]

I think that simply a side-effect of the recession. The employers have more purchasing power, at the moment, so they are making the most of it. Unemployed engineers are really no different than any other distressed asset when you think about it.

A reason I’ve largely avoided employment troubles is that I’ve always been honest about my credentials with any potential employer and been very competitive re: compensation. Given that I don’t have the burden of student loan debt I consider this a fair bargain.

So while I may not have made bank during the boom years, at least I’ve managed to keep my job, bennies and sanity!

[kewp]

[quote=anxvariety]
You’d be surprised.. some HR journal must have said something about requiring degrees being a good idea. I’ve never seen more jobs in IT that are requiring degrees. Often times those requirements are firm enough to prevent a discussion on the subject from coming up.[/quote]

I think that simply a side-effect of the recession. The employers have more purchasing power, at the moment, so they are making the most of it. Unemployed engineers are really no different than any other distressed asset when you think about it.

A reason I’ve largely avoided employment troubles is that I’ve always been honest about my credentials with any potential employer and been very competitive re: compensation. Given that I don’t have the burden of student loan debt I consider this a fair bargain.

So while I may not have made bank during the boom years, at least I’ve managed to keep my job, bennies and sanity!

[kewp]

[quote=anxvariety]
You’d be surprised.. some HR journal must have said something about requiring degrees being a good idea. I’ve never seen more jobs in IT that are requiring degrees. Often times those requirements are firm enough to prevent a discussion on the subject from coming up.[/quote]

I think that simply a side-effect of the recession. The employers have more purchasing power, at the moment, so they are making the most of it. Unemployed engineers are really no different than any other distressed asset when you think about it.

A reason I’ve largely avoided employment troubles is that I’ve always been honest about my credentials with any potential employer and been very competitive re: compensation. Given that I don’t have the burden of student loan debt I consider this a fair bargain.

So while I may not have made bank during the boom years, at least I’ve managed to keep my job, bennies and sanity!

[kewp]

[quote=anxvariety]
You’d be surprised.. some HR journal must have said something about requiring degrees being a good idea. I’ve never seen more jobs in IT that are requiring degrees. Often times those requirements are firm enough to prevent a discussion on the subject from coming up.[/quote]

I think that simply a side-effect of the recession. The employers have more purchasing power, at the moment, so they are making the most of it. Unemployed engineers are really no different than any other distressed asset when you think about it.

A reason I’ve largely avoided employment troubles is that I’ve always been honest about my credentials with any potential employer and been very competitive re: compensation. Given that I don’t have the burden of student loan debt I consider this a fair bargain.

So while I may not have made bank during the boom years, at least I’ve managed to keep my job, bennies and sanity!

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