IT Jobs ???? In San Diego ??? Anywhere ????

[barnaby33]

I figured in order to have a thread this rant filled, it had to be started by partypup, or start with Powayseller said.

IT is pretty diverse. Java is not dead, Microsoft is not the evil empire devouring the planet. Very few people seem to be hiring. Software engineering is real engineering. No you don’t have to live in CV to be an engineer. Lots of qualified people in IT don’t have any formal IT education, I happen to.

IT, is no longer the wild west/gold mine of the last few decades. Many of us will have to move to find jobs in the current recession (just like the last one.)

Josh

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[quote=kewp][quote=flu] Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc.
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I used to work at Bell Labs in N.J., in the same building where many of the wireless protocols were in fact designed. All of the PI’s had a Masters at least. Most had Ph.D’s.

And I suspect the teams providing the specs to the implementation guys are similar.

Anyways, it takes all kinds to make the world work. I appreciate everyone with a good work ethic, whether they are diplomats or ditch-diggers.

I do feel bad at times that I slacked off in school and have ended up doing better than many people that spent 8-10 years in higher ed and ran up 100k of student loans. But such is life; I assume.
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So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door. I bow to your Bell Lab Days. Some very cool things came out of there!

I am the implementation engineer. As the name implies above and am a Lucent documentation monkey and I agree a lot with what you posted.

And I have to say that your aruguement about the pool of Masters/PHd’s is a valid one but I will take it a step further.

I fully support the arugment that IT Engineers aren’t the same as Hard Science Engineer (I include Comp Sci guys in the Hard catergory) I can see the difference in the thought process between the catergories. The classical trained engineers usually have better logic trains than the non.

But here is where I take it one step further. I see engineers that lack the real talent to be engineers. Sure they are book smart people and were able to pass exams but they lack the imagination to take it further. Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box. Too many just want to be “super techs” meaning they just want to be told what to do (usually in a manual) and apply it instead of developing methods on thier own.

Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.

There will be exceptions I have met a few in my life.

Flu is definetly right about the Theory Vs. Implementaton. 100 to 1 ratio there.

My last rant is there are so many of us looking for work these days because there has been a paradigm shift in what we do.

We, as engineers, use to build things that ppl needed. Now most of us build things that ppl want. Infrastructure Vs. Toys.

When I entered college one of my profesors said “As Engineers you will never be a rich man… but you will always have a job”. By the time I graduated that already was untrue! Things have changed quickly!

Good Luck to those who are looking. In 7 days I may join your ranks…

Just my 1.62 cents (adjusted for inflation)!

CE

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[quote=kewp][quote=flu] Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc.
[/quote]

I used to work at Bell Labs in N.J., in the same building where many of the wireless protocols were in fact designed. All of the PI’s had a Masters at least. Most had Ph.D’s.

And I suspect the teams providing the specs to the implementation guys are similar.

Anyways, it takes all kinds to make the world work. I appreciate everyone with a good work ethic, whether they are diplomats or ditch-diggers.

I do feel bad at times that I slacked off in school and have ended up doing better than many people that spent 8-10 years in higher ed and ran up 100k of student loans. But such is life; I assume.
[/quote]

So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door. I bow to your Bell Lab Days. Some very cool things came out of there!

I am the implementation engineer. As the name implies above and am a Lucent documentation monkey and I agree a lot with what you posted.

And I have to say that your aruguement about the pool of Masters/PHd’s is a valid one but I will take it a step further.

I fully support the arugment that IT Engineers aren’t the same as Hard Science Engineer (I include Comp Sci guys in the Hard catergory) I can see the difference in the thought process between the catergories. The classical trained engineers usually have better logic trains than the non.

But here is where I take it one step further. I see engineers that lack the real talent to be engineers. Sure they are book smart people and were able to pass exams but they lack the imagination to take it further. Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box. Too many just want to be “super techs” meaning they just want to be told what to do (usually in a manual) and apply it instead of developing methods on thier own.

Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.

There will be exceptions I have met a few in my life.

Flu is definetly right about the Theory Vs. Implementaton. 100 to 1 ratio there.

My last rant is there are so many of us looking for work these days because there has been a paradigm shift in what we do.

We, as engineers, use to build things that ppl needed. Now most of us build things that ppl want. Infrastructure Vs. Toys.

When I entered college one of my profesors said “As Engineers you will never be a rich man… but you will always have a job”. By the time I graduated that already was untrue! Things have changed quickly!

Good Luck to those who are looking. In 7 days I may join your ranks…

Just my 1.62 cents (adjusted for inflation)!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=kewp][quote=flu] Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc.
[/quote]

I used to work at Bell Labs in N.J., in the same building where many of the wireless protocols were in fact designed. All of the PI’s had a Masters at least. Most had Ph.D’s.

And I suspect the teams providing the specs to the implementation guys are similar.

Anyways, it takes all kinds to make the world work. I appreciate everyone with a good work ethic, whether they are diplomats or ditch-diggers.

I do feel bad at times that I slacked off in school and have ended up doing better than many people that spent 8-10 years in higher ed and ran up 100k of student loans. But such is life; I assume.
[/quote]

So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door. I bow to your Bell Lab Days. Some very cool things came out of there!

I am the implementation engineer. As the name implies above and am a Lucent documentation monkey and I agree a lot with what you posted.

And I have to say that your aruguement about the pool of Masters/PHd’s is a valid one but I will take it a step further.

I fully support the arugment that IT Engineers aren’t the same as Hard Science Engineer (I include Comp Sci guys in the Hard catergory) I can see the difference in the thought process between the catergories. The classical trained engineers usually have better logic trains than the non.

But here is where I take it one step further. I see engineers that lack the real talent to be engineers. Sure they are book smart people and were able to pass exams but they lack the imagination to take it further. Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box. Too many just want to be “super techs” meaning they just want to be told what to do (usually in a manual) and apply it instead of developing methods on thier own.

Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.

There will be exceptions I have met a few in my life.

Flu is definetly right about the Theory Vs. Implementaton. 100 to 1 ratio there.

My last rant is there are so many of us looking for work these days because there has been a paradigm shift in what we do.

We, as engineers, use to build things that ppl needed. Now most of us build things that ppl want. Infrastructure Vs. Toys.

When I entered college one of my profesors said “As Engineers you will never be a rich man… but you will always have a job”. By the time I graduated that already was untrue! Things have changed quickly!

Good Luck to those who are looking. In 7 days I may join your ranks…

Just my 1.62 cents (adjusted for inflation)!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=kewp][quote=flu] Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc.
[/quote]

I used to work at Bell Labs in N.J., in the same building where many of the wireless protocols were in fact designed. All of the PI’s had a Masters at least. Most had Ph.D’s.

And I suspect the teams providing the specs to the implementation guys are similar.

Anyways, it takes all kinds to make the world work. I appreciate everyone with a good work ethic, whether they are diplomats or ditch-diggers.

I do feel bad at times that I slacked off in school and have ended up doing better than many people that spent 8-10 years in higher ed and ran up 100k of student loans. But such is life; I assume.
[/quote]

So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door. I bow to your Bell Lab Days. Some very cool things came out of there!

I am the implementation engineer. As the name implies above and am a Lucent documentation monkey and I agree a lot with what you posted.

And I have to say that your aruguement about the pool of Masters/PHd’s is a valid one but I will take it a step further.

I fully support the arugment that IT Engineers aren’t the same as Hard Science Engineer (I include Comp Sci guys in the Hard catergory) I can see the difference in the thought process between the catergories. The classical trained engineers usually have better logic trains than the non.

But here is where I take it one step further. I see engineers that lack the real talent to be engineers. Sure they are book smart people and were able to pass exams but they lack the imagination to take it further. Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box. Too many just want to be “super techs” meaning they just want to be told what to do (usually in a manual) and apply it instead of developing methods on thier own.

Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.

There will be exceptions I have met a few in my life.

Flu is definetly right about the Theory Vs. Implementaton. 100 to 1 ratio there.

My last rant is there are so many of us looking for work these days because there has been a paradigm shift in what we do.

We, as engineers, use to build things that ppl needed. Now most of us build things that ppl want. Infrastructure Vs. Toys.

When I entered college one of my profesors said “As Engineers you will never be a rich man… but you will always have a job”. By the time I graduated that already was untrue! Things have changed quickly!

Good Luck to those who are looking. In 7 days I may join your ranks…

Just my 1.62 cents (adjusted for inflation)!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=kewp][quote=flu] Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc.
[/quote]

I used to work at Bell Labs in N.J., in the same building where many of the wireless protocols were in fact designed. All of the PI’s had a Masters at least. Most had Ph.D’s.

And I suspect the teams providing the specs to the implementation guys are similar.

Anyways, it takes all kinds to make the world work. I appreciate everyone with a good work ethic, whether they are diplomats or ditch-diggers.

I do feel bad at times that I slacked off in school and have ended up doing better than many people that spent 8-10 years in higher ed and ran up 100k of student loans. But such is life; I assume.
[/quote]

So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door. I bow to your Bell Lab Days. Some very cool things came out of there!

I am the implementation engineer. As the name implies above and am a Lucent documentation monkey and I agree a lot with what you posted.

And I have to say that your aruguement about the pool of Masters/PHd’s is a valid one but I will take it a step further.

I fully support the arugment that IT Engineers aren’t the same as Hard Science Engineer (I include Comp Sci guys in the Hard catergory) I can see the difference in the thought process between the catergories. The classical trained engineers usually have better logic trains than the non.

But here is where I take it one step further. I see engineers that lack the real talent to be engineers. Sure they are book smart people and were able to pass exams but they lack the imagination to take it further. Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box. Too many just want to be “super techs” meaning they just want to be told what to do (usually in a manual) and apply it instead of developing methods on thier own.

Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.

There will be exceptions I have met a few in my life.

Flu is definetly right about the Theory Vs. Implementaton. 100 to 1 ratio there.

My last rant is there are so many of us looking for work these days because there has been a paradigm shift in what we do.

We, as engineers, use to build things that ppl needed. Now most of us build things that ppl want. Infrastructure Vs. Toys.

When I entered college one of my profesors said “As Engineers you will never be a rich man… but you will always have a job”. By the time I graduated that already was untrue! Things have changed quickly!

Good Luck to those who are looking. In 7 days I may join your ranks…

Just my 1.62 cents (adjusted for inflation)!

CE

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[quote=CDMA ENG]
So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door.
[/quote]
They did in my case! My father worked there at the time and they were desperate for help managing the PC’s in their research departments. I was consulting at the time and just happened to fit the bill. Pure luck on my part.
[quote]
Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box.
[/quote]
Very true. This why in network security the best people often have no formal training at all, as their job is to break the boxes the stuffy CS engineers designed!
[quote]
Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.
[/quote]
This is also very true. I do what I do because I can’t imagine doing anything else. The thought of manual labor terrifies me. I also am pretty much always ‘working’, in that I’m constantly thinking about new problems/solutions and studying new technology. I’ll stop when my heart does.

[kewp]

[quote=CDMA ENG]
So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door.
[/quote]
They did in my case! My father worked there at the time and they were desperate for help managing the PC’s in their research departments. I was consulting at the time and just happened to fit the bill. Pure luck on my part.
[quote]
Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box.
[/quote]
Very true. This why in network security the best people often have no formal training at all, as their job is to break the boxes the stuffy CS engineers designed!
[quote]
Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.
[/quote]
This is also very true. I do what I do because I can’t imagine doing anything else. The thought of manual labor terrifies me. I also am pretty much always ‘working’, in that I’m constantly thinking about new problems/solutions and studying new technology. I’ll stop when my heart does.

[kewp]

[quote=CDMA ENG]
So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door.
[/quote]
They did in my case! My father worked there at the time and they were desperate for help managing the PC’s in their research departments. I was consulting at the time and just happened to fit the bill. Pure luck on my part.
[quote]
Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box.
[/quote]
Very true. This why in network security the best people often have no formal training at all, as their job is to break the boxes the stuffy CS engineers designed!
[quote]
Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.
[/quote]
This is also very true. I do what I do because I can’t imagine doing anything else. The thought of manual labor terrifies me. I also am pretty much always ‘working’, in that I’m constantly thinking about new problems/solutions and studying new technology. I’ll stop when my heart does.

[kewp]

[quote=CDMA ENG]
So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door.
[/quote]
They did in my case! My father worked there at the time and they were desperate for help managing the PC’s in their research departments. I was consulting at the time and just happened to fit the bill. Pure luck on my part.
[quote]
Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box.
[/quote]
Very true. This why in network security the best people often have no formal training at all, as their job is to break the boxes the stuffy CS engineers designed!
[quote]
Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.
[/quote]
This is also very true. I do what I do because I can’t imagine doing anything else. The thought of manual labor terrifies me. I also am pretty much always ‘working’, in that I’m constantly thinking about new problems/solutions and studying new technology. I’ll stop when my heart does.

[kewp]

[quote=CDMA ENG]
So you are definetly a smart dude Kewp! They did not let any slouchs through that door.
[/quote]
They did in my case! My father worked there at the time and they were desperate for help managing the PC’s in their research departments. I was consulting at the time and just happened to fit the bill. Pure luck on my part.
[quote]
Too many engineers today, at any level, do not want to develop their own process and think outside the box.
[/quote]
Very true. This why in network security the best people often have no formal training at all, as their job is to break the boxes the stuffy CS engineers designed!
[quote]
Good paying salaries have attracted a pool of ppl that do this as a job. The best engineers I have seen do this as a lifestyle.
[/quote]
This is also very true. I do what I do because I can’t imagine doing anything else. The thought of manual labor terrifies me. I also am pretty much always ‘working’, in that I’m constantly thinking about new problems/solutions and studying new technology. I’ll stop when my heart does.

[UCGal]

To the OP topic… IT jobs are tight now. I work for a large engineering firm (one of the big ones mentioned earlier in this thread)… today is the last day of our Unix admin and a few of our IT guys. The company’s been downsizing and now they targeted the support staff. The decision will bite us when we can’t do a release because the server is acting up.

On the the whole IT engineer vs “real” engineer… I got bit on this topic once before when I asked about it. FWIW, my degree is a BSEE and all but thesis of an MS engineering… but I’ve been doing firmware since I graduated from my low-brow SDSU… I don’t consider myself better or worse than any other type of engineer… I just know the skillset I have is different than that of a hardware engineer, an IT engineer, or someone who does web apps. Not better… just different.

And on weekends I’m a domestic engineer… that’s what I call myself when I’m cleaning bathrooms.

Letters after the name (PhD) matter if you’re doing academic research or teaching… Not so much in commercial work.

Good luck in the job hunt WestCoastNole. (And to my coworkers who just joined your ranks.)

[UCGal]

To the OP topic… IT jobs are tight now. I work for a large engineering firm (one of the big ones mentioned earlier in this thread)… today is the last day of our Unix admin and a few of our IT guys. The company’s been downsizing and now they targeted the support staff. The decision will bite us when we can’t do a release because the server is acting up.

On the the whole IT engineer vs “real” engineer… I got bit on this topic once before when I asked about it. FWIW, my degree is a BSEE and all but thesis of an MS engineering… but I’ve been doing firmware since I graduated from my low-brow SDSU… I don’t consider myself better or worse than any other type of engineer… I just know the skillset I have is different than that of a hardware engineer, an IT engineer, or someone who does web apps. Not better… just different.

And on weekends I’m a domestic engineer… that’s what I call myself when I’m cleaning bathrooms.

Letters after the name (PhD) matter if you’re doing academic research or teaching… Not so much in commercial work.

Good luck in the job hunt WestCoastNole. (And to my coworkers who just joined your ranks.)

[UCGal]

To the OP topic… IT jobs are tight now. I work for a large engineering firm (one of the big ones mentioned earlier in this thread)… today is the last day of our Unix admin and a few of our IT guys. The company’s been downsizing and now they targeted the support staff. The decision will bite us when we can’t do a release because the server is acting up.

On the the whole IT engineer vs “real” engineer… I got bit on this topic once before when I asked about it. FWIW, my degree is a BSEE and all but thesis of an MS engineering… but I’ve been doing firmware since I graduated from my low-brow SDSU… I don’t consider myself better or worse than any other type of engineer… I just know the skillset I have is different than that of a hardware engineer, an IT engineer, or someone who does web apps. Not better… just different.

And on weekends I’m a domestic engineer… that’s what I call myself when I’m cleaning bathrooms.

Letters after the name (PhD) matter if you’re doing academic research or teaching… Not so much in commercial work.

Good luck in the job hunt WestCoastNole. (And to my coworkers who just joined your ranks.)

[UCGal]

To the OP topic… IT jobs are tight now. I work for a large engineering firm (one of the big ones mentioned earlier in this thread)… today is the last day of our Unix admin and a few of our IT guys. The company’s been downsizing and now they targeted the support staff. The decision will bite us when we can’t do a release because the server is acting up.

On the the whole IT engineer vs “real” engineer… I got bit on this topic once before when I asked about it. FWIW, my degree is a BSEE and all but thesis of an MS engineering… but I’ve been doing firmware since I graduated from my low-brow SDSU… I don’t consider myself better or worse than any other type of engineer… I just know the skillset I have is different than that of a hardware engineer, an IT engineer, or someone who does web apps. Not better… just different.

And on weekends I’m a domestic engineer… that’s what I call myself when I’m cleaning bathrooms.

Letters after the name (PhD) matter if you’re doing academic research or teaching… Not so much in commercial work.

Good luck in the job hunt WestCoastNole. (And to my coworkers who just joined your ranks.)

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