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March 5, 2009 at 6:27 PM #361657March 5, 2009 at 7:29 PM #361120
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Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones.
March 5, 2009 at 7:29 PM #361416Participant[quote=flu]
Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones.
March 5, 2009 at 7:29 PM #361559Participant[quote=flu]
Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones.
March 5, 2009 at 7:29 PM #361600Participant[quote=flu]
Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones.
March 5, 2009 at 7:29 PM #361707Participant[quote=flu]
Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones.
March 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM #361135
CoronitaParticipant[quote=kewp][quote=flu]
Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones. [/quote]
I’ll say this, most MechE and EE do not use most of what they learned in school unless they happened to do research/speciality in the area where they are working.
Case in point. All the EE’s that decided to go work for qualcomm…Most folks are “implementation” engineers. Here’s a spec, go implement it in hardware or software. The basic tools are all their in school. Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc. I’d say some, but not all. I sure as hell didn’t in my brief tenure there. The “hard core” discipline isn’t as “hard core” as you think it is. I have a another buddy of mine that is MechE M.S. from a top engineering school, doing control systems at Intel. Most of his work is, yup embedded software design. I’m not demeaning the EE/MechEE work (it’s not easy). But again, a lot of the work isn’t rocket science either. And yes I have an EE degree and was doing said stuff early on.
March 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM #361431CoronitaParticipant[quote=kewp][quote=flu]
Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones. [/quote]
I’ll say this, most MechE and EE do not use most of what they learned in school unless they happened to do research/speciality in the area where they are working.
Case in point. All the EE’s that decided to go work for qualcomm…Most folks are “implementation” engineers. Here’s a spec, go implement it in hardware or software. The basic tools are all their in school. Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc. I’d say some, but not all. I sure as hell didn’t in my brief tenure there. The “hard core” discipline isn’t as “hard core” as you think it is. I have a another buddy of mine that is MechE M.S. from a top engineering school, doing control systems at Intel. Most of his work is, yup embedded software design. I’m not demeaning the EE/MechEE work (it’s not easy). But again, a lot of the work isn’t rocket science either. And yes I have an EE degree and was doing said stuff early on.
March 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM #361574CoronitaParticipant[quote=kewp][quote=flu]
Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones. [/quote]
I’ll say this, most MechE and EE do not use most of what they learned in school unless they happened to do research/speciality in the area where they are working.
Case in point. All the EE’s that decided to go work for qualcomm…Most folks are “implementation” engineers. Here’s a spec, go implement it in hardware or software. The basic tools are all their in school. Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc. I’d say some, but not all. I sure as hell didn’t in my brief tenure there. The “hard core” discipline isn’t as “hard core” as you think it is. I have a another buddy of mine that is MechE M.S. from a top engineering school, doing control systems at Intel. Most of his work is, yup embedded software design. I’m not demeaning the EE/MechEE work (it’s not easy). But again, a lot of the work isn’t rocket science either. And yes I have an EE degree and was doing said stuff early on.
March 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM #361615CoronitaParticipant[quote=kewp][quote=flu]
Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones. [/quote]
I’ll say this, most MechE and EE do not use most of what they learned in school unless they happened to do research/speciality in the area where they are working.
Case in point. All the EE’s that decided to go work for qualcomm…Most folks are “implementation” engineers. Here’s a spec, go implement it in hardware or software. The basic tools are all their in school. Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc. I’d say some, but not all. I sure as hell didn’t in my brief tenure there. The “hard core” discipline isn’t as “hard core” as you think it is. I have a another buddy of mine that is MechE M.S. from a top engineering school, doing control systems at Intel. Most of his work is, yup embedded software design. I’m not demeaning the EE/MechEE work (it’s not easy). But again, a lot of the work isn’t rocket science either. And yes I have an EE degree and was doing said stuff early on.
March 5, 2009 at 7:52 PM #361722CoronitaParticipant[quote=kewp][quote=flu]
Statistically, there are more people who have college degrees that have that experience than people who do not. BUT, i can say a PHD in MechE applying for a DBA position with no experience will be S.O.L. And a company that has a data center will not hire that person to man their infrastructure and commit suicide on their mission critical business operations, because running the business poorly affects the bottom line.
[/quote]Your are comparing apples and oranges. Comparing an IT engineer to a ‘real’ engineer is like saying a mechanic or custodian is the peer of a rocket scientist.
And remember, I’m an IT engineer.
Truth be told, I really doubt you can find a single practicing engineer in one of the ‘hard’ disciplines that doesn’t have a formal education. Most IT is like trade work and programming, especially for user applications, is as much a creative and artistic endeavor as it is an engineering discipline.
Real ‘engineering’ is like brain surgery. No amateurs allowed. Would you trust a dropout to design a bridge or a jet engine?
However; I’ll comment that mechanics and custodians have better survival characteristics than rocket scientists during severe economic recessions. Businesses and governments will be more interested in maintaining existing systems vs. developing new ones. [/quote]
I’ll say this, most MechE and EE do not use most of what they learned in school unless they happened to do research/speciality in the area where they are working.
Case in point. All the EE’s that decided to go work for qualcomm…Most folks are “implementation” engineers. Here’s a spec, go implement it in hardware or software. The basic tools are all their in school. Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc. I’d say some, but not all. I sure as hell didn’t in my brief tenure there. The “hard core” discipline isn’t as “hard core” as you think it is. I have a another buddy of mine that is MechE M.S. from a top engineering school, doing control systems at Intel. Most of his work is, yup embedded software design. I’m not demeaning the EE/MechEE work (it’s not easy). But again, a lot of the work isn’t rocket science either. And yes I have an EE degree and was doing said stuff early on.
March 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM #361145Participant[quote=flu] Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc.
[/quote]I used to work at Bell Labs in N.J., in the same building where many of the wireless protocols were in fact designed. All of the PI’s had a Masters at least. Most had Ph.D’s.
And I suspect the teams providing the specs to the implementation guys are similar.
Anyways, it takes all kinds to make the world work. I appreciate everyone with a good work ethic, whether they are diplomats or ditch-diggers.
I do feel bad at times that I slacked off in school and have ended up doing better than many people that spent 8-10 years in higher ed and ran up 100k of student loans. But such is life; I assume.
March 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM #361441Participant[quote=flu] Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc.
[/quote]I used to work at Bell Labs in N.J., in the same building where many of the wireless protocols were in fact designed. All of the PI’s had a Masters at least. Most had Ph.D’s.
And I suspect the teams providing the specs to the implementation guys are similar.
Anyways, it takes all kinds to make the world work. I appreciate everyone with a good work ethic, whether they are diplomats or ditch-diggers.
I do feel bad at times that I slacked off in school and have ended up doing better than many people that spent 8-10 years in higher ed and ran up 100k of student loans. But such is life; I assume.
March 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM #361584Participant[quote=flu] Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc.
[/quote]I used to work at Bell Labs in N.J., in the same building where many of the wireless protocols were in fact designed. All of the PI’s had a Masters at least. Most had Ph.D’s.
And I suspect the teams providing the specs to the implementation guys are similar.
Anyways, it takes all kinds to make the world work. I appreciate everyone with a good work ethic, whether they are diplomats or ditch-diggers.
I do feel bad at times that I slacked off in school and have ended up doing better than many people that spent 8-10 years in higher ed and ran up 100k of student loans. But such is life; I assume.
March 5, 2009 at 8:03 PM #361625Participant[quote=flu] Very few are working on the actual wireless protocol, etc. How many of them are really using their communication theory, digital signal processing background,etc.
[/quote]I used to work at Bell Labs in N.J., in the same building where many of the wireless protocols were in fact designed. All of the PI’s had a Masters at least. Most had Ph.D’s.
And I suspect the teams providing the specs to the implementation guys are similar.
Anyways, it takes all kinds to make the world work. I appreciate everyone with a good work ethic, whether they are diplomats or ditch-diggers.
I do feel bad at times that I slacked off in school and have ended up doing better than many people that spent 8-10 years in higher ed and ran up 100k of student loans. But such is life; I assume.
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