Inflation – Has it arrived?

[SD Realtor]

Awesome answer Brian. So basically eating the same thing everyday and maybe fasting every once in awhile is normal for you so everyone else should do it right? This is your implication.

Furthermore you make it sound like whole foods are not going up in price. It is only junk food that is going up in price correct. You decline to talk about energy or fuel or water as well.

Sure everyone will be fine. Once more your missing the point as your answer is Brian centric and your solution to the problem is “Live like Brian”, “eat what Brian eats”, “Do what Brian does”. You miss the point entirely that your model of life is not universal and others do not have the capability or means to eat or live like Brian. The argument is not about obesity and whole foods goodnees. Jeez of course whole foods are better for you then fast foods.

Damn Brian the argument is not that we are not a wasteful society. If you want to frame it that way then my response is that most of that waste occurs from the upper and middle class. Those that cannot afford it are not those wasting the most.

Scaredy why don’t you educate yourself about hunger in the US. Here are some numbers for you. There are 49.1 million people in the US that are considered food insecure. There are over 17 million people who live in households that were determined to have very low food security. Here are a couple links for you.
http://www.frac.org/html/hunger_in_the_us/hunger_index.html

http://feedingamerica.org/faces-of-hunger.aspx?convio_source=YXXOXSEM&convio_subsource=ghungerintheus

So while you want to make light hearted comments about it, and Brian believes that if everyone ate like him, that it would all be okay. That as the price of food, and energy and fuel and water goes up, all of these people will “cope” and be okay.

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The argument here is that making blanket statements that encompass everyone is a complete show of ignorance. I believe that most people that are making a certain amount of money will indeed get by. However I also believe that the disparity will grow rapidly.

There has not been A SINGLE RESPONSE actually countering what I claim will happen to those living below a certain means.

sdr no of course we are not Zimbabwe but nobody wants to actually acknowledge the amount of poor and hungry we have. pr wants to keep saying I am being melodramatic but of course doesn’t want to counter what I said as well. I also maintain that more Americans will join these ranks. So it is okay to sluff it off and say well at least they are not in Tijuana or Zimbabwe, well that is fine as well. I guess to not acknowledge the problem is one way to deal with it.

My argument is not we will not cope, “we” being most of us here on Piggington and tens of millions of Americans. My argument is that there are millions that barely cope now. That number will grow, disparity in the US will grow, and the burden on the government will grow. The argument that these stresses will be a catalyst for improvement is one that I do not dispute but I do not see a rapid or quick improvement, nor do I see those improvements benefitting those who need it most. They cannot afford it.

How many poor people are driving a Prius?

[NotCranky]

Good job, Adam. I think we need another thread about spitting out perfectly good wine though.

I have been thinking about tithing to food banks or just keeping an eye out for people to share with beyond the normal “coping” pretty well people we normally run with. I think Desmond or maybe Paramount, kind of suggested the same thing on a thread.

We don’t have a lot either. But it takes someone to care right?Due to divorce death and parental alcoholism, I spent days as a child, doing lots of things to fill my belly and help my siblings do the same, like gleaning food from trees in private yards and local orchards,Selling fish I caught that my dad wouldn’t cook or let us cook, mowing lawns, making “tortillas” with flour and water to get to the next school lunch, hanging out with kids more than I would have because I was able to get something to eat. I did people’s homework for food. My brothers and sisters did similar or worse things.
Even if this stuff doesn’t happen sans serious family dysfunction,as many like to point out, those kids need to eat not have intermittent food punishment. Plus some really good people will be tiptoeing around the cracks after years dedicated to lower income but basically socially productive lifestyles.It amazes me that many of the “social progressives” are some of the most judgmental and hateful at times like this.

It’s different this time. I have an elderly friend who grew up in the house his dad built in Leucadia around a hundred years ago. He was entering adolescence during the depression(kind of like our kids). He told me that during the depression poor people partially lived on seafood and family grown produce, but now neither is really accessible in many environments today.Lots of things have changed.He said seafood was poor people’s food for decades of his life.

The cities and counties won’t let you or me let someone live in a trailer on private property, especially without churning a boat load of work and fees so that they can live well, no matter how bad things are.(although if someone I know who is not destructive, or has kids, is facing homelessness or a very hard life in a shelter, I will fight the despots and build a tent city and home school if needed).

You know I have always been O.K. with “bring it on” because I thought that our society needed some “values and priorities” work, but also have always said to have compassion when we get to the lows.Thanks for taking the second part of that stance too.

[NotCranky]

Good job, Adam. I think we need another thread about spitting out perfectly good wine though.

I have been thinking about tithing to food banks or just keeping an eye out for people to share with beyond the normal “coping” pretty well people we normally run with. I think Desmond or maybe Paramount, kind of suggested the same thing on a thread.

We don’t have a lot either. But it takes someone to care right?Due to divorce death and parental alcoholism, I spent days as a child, doing lots of things to fill my belly and help my siblings do the same, like gleaning food from trees in private yards and local orchards,Selling fish I caught that my dad wouldn’t cook or let us cook, mowing lawns, making “tortillas” with flour and water to get to the next school lunch, hanging out with kids more than I would have because I was able to get something to eat. I did people’s homework for food. My brothers and sisters did similar or worse things.
Even if this stuff doesn’t happen sans serious family dysfunction,as many like to point out, those kids need to eat not have intermittent food punishment. Plus some really good people will be tiptoeing around the cracks after years dedicated to lower income but basically socially productive lifestyles.It amazes me that many of the “social progressives” are some of the most judgmental and hateful at times like this.

It’s different this time. I have an elderly friend who grew up in the house his dad built in Leucadia around a hundred years ago. He was entering adolescence during the depression(kind of like our kids). He told me that during the depression poor people partially lived on seafood and family grown produce, but now neither is really accessible in many environments today.Lots of things have changed.He said seafood was poor people’s food for decades of his life.

The cities and counties won’t let you or me let someone live in a trailer on private property, especially without churning a boat load of work and fees so that they can live well, no matter how bad things are.(although if someone I know who is not destructive, or has kids, is facing homelessness or a very hard life in a shelter, I will fight the despots and build a tent city and home school if needed).

You know I have always been O.K. with “bring it on” because I thought that our society needed some “values and priorities” work, but also have always said to have compassion when we get to the lows.Thanks for taking the second part of that stance too.

[NotCranky]

Good job, Adam. I think we need another thread about spitting out perfectly good wine though.

I have been thinking about tithing to food banks or just keeping an eye out for people to share with beyond the normal “coping” pretty well people we normally run with. I think Desmond or maybe Paramount, kind of suggested the same thing on a thread.

We don’t have a lot either. But it takes someone to care right?Due to divorce death and parental alcoholism, I spent days as a child, doing lots of things to fill my belly and help my siblings do the same, like gleaning food from trees in private yards and local orchards,Selling fish I caught that my dad wouldn’t cook or let us cook, mowing lawns, making “tortillas” with flour and water to get to the next school lunch, hanging out with kids more than I would have because I was able to get something to eat. I did people’s homework for food. My brothers and sisters did similar or worse things.
Even if this stuff doesn’t happen sans serious family dysfunction,as many like to point out, those kids need to eat not have intermittent food punishment. Plus some really good people will be tiptoeing around the cracks after years dedicated to lower income but basically socially productive lifestyles.It amazes me that many of the “social progressives” are some of the most judgmental and hateful at times like this.

It’s different this time. I have an elderly friend who grew up in the house his dad built in Leucadia around a hundred years ago. He was entering adolescence during the depression(kind of like our kids). He told me that during the depression poor people partially lived on seafood and family grown produce, but now neither is really accessible in many environments today.Lots of things have changed.He said seafood was poor people’s food for decades of his life.

The cities and counties won’t let you or me let someone live in a trailer on private property, especially without churning a boat load of work and fees so that they can live well, no matter how bad things are.(although if someone I know who is not destructive, or has kids, is facing homelessness or a very hard life in a shelter, I will fight the despots and build a tent city and home school if needed).

You know I have always been O.K. with “bring it on” because I thought that our society needed some “values and priorities” work, but also have always said to have compassion when we get to the lows.Thanks for taking the second part of that stance too.

[NotCranky]

Good job, Adam. I think we need another thread about spitting out perfectly good wine though.

I have been thinking about tithing to food banks or just keeping an eye out for people to share with beyond the normal “coping” pretty well people we normally run with. I think Desmond or maybe Paramount, kind of suggested the same thing on a thread.

We don’t have a lot either. But it takes someone to care right?Due to divorce death and parental alcoholism, I spent days as a child, doing lots of things to fill my belly and help my siblings do the same, like gleaning food from trees in private yards and local orchards,Selling fish I caught that my dad wouldn’t cook or let us cook, mowing lawns, making “tortillas” with flour and water to get to the next school lunch, hanging out with kids more than I would have because I was able to get something to eat. I did people’s homework for food. My brothers and sisters did similar or worse things.
Even if this stuff doesn’t happen sans serious family dysfunction,as many like to point out, those kids need to eat not have intermittent food punishment. Plus some really good people will be tiptoeing around the cracks after years dedicated to lower income but basically socially productive lifestyles.It amazes me that many of the “social progressives” are some of the most judgmental and hateful at times like this.

It’s different this time. I have an elderly friend who grew up in the house his dad built in Leucadia around a hundred years ago. He was entering adolescence during the depression(kind of like our kids). He told me that during the depression poor people partially lived on seafood and family grown produce, but now neither is really accessible in many environments today.Lots of things have changed.He said seafood was poor people’s food for decades of his life.

The cities and counties won’t let you or me let someone live in a trailer on private property, especially without churning a boat load of work and fees so that they can live well, no matter how bad things are.(although if someone I know who is not destructive, or has kids, is facing homelessness or a very hard life in a shelter, I will fight the despots and build a tent city and home school if needed).

You know I have always been O.K. with “bring it on” because I thought that our society needed some “values and priorities” work, but also have always said to have compassion when we get to the lows.Thanks for taking the second part of that stance too.

[NotCranky]

Good job, Adam. I think we need another thread about spitting out perfectly good wine though.

I have been thinking about tithing to food banks or just keeping an eye out for people to share with beyond the normal “coping” pretty well people we normally run with. I think Desmond or maybe Paramount, kind of suggested the same thing on a thread.

We don’t have a lot either. But it takes someone to care right?Due to divorce death and parental alcoholism, I spent days as a child, doing lots of things to fill my belly and help my siblings do the same, like gleaning food from trees in private yards and local orchards,Selling fish I caught that my dad wouldn’t cook or let us cook, mowing lawns, making “tortillas” with flour and water to get to the next school lunch, hanging out with kids more than I would have because I was able to get something to eat. I did people’s homework for food. My brothers and sisters did similar or worse things.
Even if this stuff doesn’t happen sans serious family dysfunction,as many like to point out, those kids need to eat not have intermittent food punishment. Plus some really good people will be tiptoeing around the cracks after years dedicated to lower income but basically socially productive lifestyles.It amazes me that many of the “social progressives” are some of the most judgmental and hateful at times like this.

It’s different this time. I have an elderly friend who grew up in the house his dad built in Leucadia around a hundred years ago. He was entering adolescence during the depression(kind of like our kids). He told me that during the depression poor people partially lived on seafood and family grown produce, but now neither is really accessible in many environments today.Lots of things have changed.He said seafood was poor people’s food for decades of his life.

The cities and counties won’t let you or me let someone live in a trailer on private property, especially without churning a boat load of work and fees so that they can live well, no matter how bad things are.(although if someone I know who is not destructive, or has kids, is facing homelessness or a very hard life in a shelter, I will fight the despots and build a tent city and home school if needed).

You know I have always been O.K. with “bring it on” because I thought that our society needed some “values and priorities” work, but also have always said to have compassion when we get to the lows.Thanks for taking the second part of that stance too.

[briansd1]

My point is what that whole food is cheaper than packaged food.

Eating one whole orange and drinking a glass of water is more nutritious and cheaper than drinking two classes of packaged orange juice (30c for the orange).

My point is that this generation of Americans is enjoying the lowest food costs EVER. And we are more obese than ever.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/as-share-of-income-americans-have.html

Food inflation is not the problem, generally speaking. Of course, there are pockets of poverty like there has always been, no matter how low food costs generally are. That’s when compassion and government action come into play.

Energy and water? Use more energy-efficient appliances and stop watering the lawn. Turn off the lights and appliances in empty rooms. Don’t run the TV all day.

Hawaii is an example of where food, energy and water costs are sky high, compared to the mainland. The people there have adapted. And they have better health care than we do.

[briansd1]

My point is what that whole food is cheaper than packaged food.

Eating one whole orange and drinking a glass of water is more nutritious and cheaper than drinking two classes of packaged orange juice (30c for the orange).

My point is that this generation of Americans is enjoying the lowest food costs EVER. And we are more obese than ever.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/as-share-of-income-americans-have.html

Food inflation is not the problem, generally speaking. Of course, there are pockets of poverty like there has always been, no matter how low food costs generally are. That’s when compassion and government action come into play.

Energy and water? Use more energy-efficient appliances and stop watering the lawn. Turn off the lights and appliances in empty rooms. Don’t run the TV all day.

Hawaii is an example of where food, energy and water costs are sky high, compared to the mainland. The people there have adapted. And they have better health care than we do.

[briansd1]

My point is what that whole food is cheaper than packaged food.

Eating one whole orange and drinking a glass of water is more nutritious and cheaper than drinking two classes of packaged orange juice (30c for the orange).

My point is that this generation of Americans is enjoying the lowest food costs EVER. And we are more obese than ever.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/as-share-of-income-americans-have.html

Food inflation is not the problem, generally speaking. Of course, there are pockets of poverty like there has always been, no matter how low food costs generally are. That’s when compassion and government action come into play.

Energy and water? Use more energy-efficient appliances and stop watering the lawn. Turn off the lights and appliances in empty rooms. Don’t run the TV all day.

Hawaii is an example of where food, energy and water costs are sky high, compared to the mainland. The people there have adapted. And they have better health care than we do.

[briansd1]

My point is what that whole food is cheaper than packaged food.

Eating one whole orange and drinking a glass of water is more nutritious and cheaper than drinking two classes of packaged orange juice (30c for the orange).

My point is that this generation of Americans is enjoying the lowest food costs EVER. And we are more obese than ever.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/as-share-of-income-americans-have.html

Food inflation is not the problem, generally speaking. Of course, there are pockets of poverty like there has always been, no matter how low food costs generally are. That’s when compassion and government action come into play.

Energy and water? Use more energy-efficient appliances and stop watering the lawn. Turn off the lights and appliances in empty rooms. Don’t run the TV all day.

Hawaii is an example of where food, energy and water costs are sky high, compared to the mainland. The people there have adapted. And they have better health care than we do.

[briansd1]

My point is what that whole food is cheaper than packaged food.

Eating one whole orange and drinking a glass of water is more nutritious and cheaper than drinking two classes of packaged orange juice (30c for the orange).

My point is that this generation of Americans is enjoying the lowest food costs EVER. And we are more obese than ever.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/as-share-of-income-americans-have.html

Food inflation is not the problem, generally speaking. Of course, there are pockets of poverty like there has always been, no matter how low food costs generally are. That’s when compassion and government action come into play.

Energy and water? Use more energy-efficient appliances and stop watering the lawn. Turn off the lights and appliances in empty rooms. Don’t run the TV all day.

Hawaii is an example of where food, energy and water costs are sky high, compared to the mainland. The people there have adapted. And they have better health care than we do.

[SD Realtor]

Yes Brian, I am sure that poor people have lavish yards and green lawns.

Forget it dude, you are so damn out of touch I am not going to waste my time with you anymore. Go drive down to southeast San Diego or some of the other lower income neighborhoods and have a look around.

Got tell them that they will all be able to cope as all the necessities they utilize in life start to increase in price but that their wages will not increase at the same rate.

As usual you cling to your own vision of things rather then admit to the fact that many don’t have the means or will not have the means to live in your world that you paint for them.

My four words to you are:

Watch the disparity grow.

[SD Realtor]

Yes Brian, I am sure that poor people have lavish yards and green lawns.

Forget it dude, you are so damn out of touch I am not going to waste my time with you anymore. Go drive down to southeast San Diego or some of the other lower income neighborhoods and have a look around.

Got tell them that they will all be able to cope as all the necessities they utilize in life start to increase in price but that their wages will not increase at the same rate.

As usual you cling to your own vision of things rather then admit to the fact that many don’t have the means or will not have the means to live in your world that you paint for them.

My four words to you are:

Watch the disparity grow.

[SD Realtor]

Yes Brian, I am sure that poor people have lavish yards and green lawns.

Forget it dude, you are so damn out of touch I am not going to waste my time with you anymore. Go drive down to southeast San Diego or some of the other lower income neighborhoods and have a look around.

Got tell them that they will all be able to cope as all the necessities they utilize in life start to increase in price but that their wages will not increase at the same rate.

As usual you cling to your own vision of things rather then admit to the fact that many don’t have the means or will not have the means to live in your world that you paint for them.

My four words to you are:

Watch the disparity grow.

[SD Realtor]

Yes Brian, I am sure that poor people have lavish yards and green lawns.

Forget it dude, you are so damn out of touch I am not going to waste my time with you anymore. Go drive down to southeast San Diego or some of the other lower income neighborhoods and have a look around.

Got tell them that they will all be able to cope as all the necessities they utilize in life start to increase in price but that their wages will not increase at the same rate.

As usual you cling to your own vision of things rather then admit to the fact that many don’t have the means or will not have the means to live in your world that you paint for them.

My four words to you are:

Watch the disparity grow.

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