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August 20, 2007 at 6:54 PM #78644August 20, 2007 at 7:40 PM #78659bob007Participant
wells fargo and bofa are too diversified to go bankrupt because of housing.
August 20, 2007 at 7:40 PM #78637bob007Participantwells fargo and bofa are too diversified to go bankrupt because of housing.
August 20, 2007 at 7:40 PM #78509bob007Participantwells fargo and bofa are too diversified to go bankrupt because of housing.
August 20, 2007 at 11:10 PM #78636bsrsharmaParticipantTHE RUN UPON THE BANKERS[1]
By Jonathan SwiftThe bold encroachers on the deep
Gain by degrees huge tracts of land,
Till Neptune, with one general sweep,
Turns all again to barren strand.The multitude’s capricious pranks
Are said to represent the seas,
Breaking the bankers and the banks,
Resume their own whene’er they please.Money, the life-blood of the nation,
Corrupts and stagnates in the veins,
Unless a proper circulation
Its motion and its heat maintains.Because ’tis lordly not to pay,
Quakers and aldermen in state,
Like peers, have levees every day
Of duns attending at their gate.We want our money on the nail;
The banker’s ruin’d if he pays:
They seem to act an ancient tale;
The birds are met to strip the jays.“Riches,” the wisest monarch sings,
“Make pinions for themselves to fly;”[2]
They fly like bats on parchment wings,
And geese their silver plumes supply.No money left for squandering heirs!
Bills turn the lenders into debtors:
The wish of Nero[3] now is theirs,
“That they had never known their letters.”Conceive the works of midnight hags,
Tormenting fools behind their backs:
Thus bankers, o’er their bills and bags,
Sit squeezing images of wax.Conceive the whole enchantment broke;
The witches left in open air,
With power no more than other folk,
Exposed with all their magic ware.So powerful are a banker’s bills,
Where creditors demand their due;
They break up counters, doors, and tills,
And leave the empty chests in view.Thus when an earthquake lets in light
Upon the god of gold and hell,
Unable to endure the sight,
He hides within his darkest cell.As when a conjurer takes a lease
From Satan for a term of years,
The tenant’s in a dismal case,
Whene’er the bloody bond appears.A baited banker thus desponds,
From his own hand foresees his fall,
They have his soul, who have his bonds;
‘Tis like the writing on the wall.[4]How will the caitiff wretch be scared,
When first he finds himself awake
At the last trumpet, unprepared,
And all his grand account to make!For in that universal call,
Few bankers will to heaven be mounters;
They’ll cry, “Ye shops, upon us fall!
Conceal and cover us, ye counters!”When other hands the scales shall hold,
And they, in men’s and angels’ sight
Produced with all their bills and gold,
“Weigh’d in the balance and found light!”[Footnote 1: This poem was printed some years ago, and it should seem, by the late failure of two bankers, to be somewhat prophetic. It was therefore thought fit to be reprinted.–_Dublin Edition_, 1734.]
[Footnote 2: Solomon, Proverbs, ch. xxiii, v. 5.]
[Footnote 3: Who, in his early days of empire, having to sign the sentence of a condemned criminal, exclaimed: “Quam vellem nescire litteras!” Suetonius, 10; and Seneca, “De Clementia,”, cited by Montaigne, “De l’inconstance de nos actions.”–_W. E. B._]
[Footnote 4: Daniel, ch. v, verses 25, 26, 27, 28.–_W. E. B._]
August 20, 2007 at 11:10 PM #78766bsrsharmaParticipantTHE RUN UPON THE BANKERS[1]
By Jonathan SwiftThe bold encroachers on the deep
Gain by degrees huge tracts of land,
Till Neptune, with one general sweep,
Turns all again to barren strand.The multitude’s capricious pranks
Are said to represent the seas,
Breaking the bankers and the banks,
Resume their own whene’er they please.Money, the life-blood of the nation,
Corrupts and stagnates in the veins,
Unless a proper circulation
Its motion and its heat maintains.Because ’tis lordly not to pay,
Quakers and aldermen in state,
Like peers, have levees every day
Of duns attending at their gate.We want our money on the nail;
The banker’s ruin’d if he pays:
They seem to act an ancient tale;
The birds are met to strip the jays.“Riches,” the wisest monarch sings,
“Make pinions for themselves to fly;”[2]
They fly like bats on parchment wings,
And geese their silver plumes supply.No money left for squandering heirs!
Bills turn the lenders into debtors:
The wish of Nero[3] now is theirs,
“That they had never known their letters.”Conceive the works of midnight hags,
Tormenting fools behind their backs:
Thus bankers, o’er their bills and bags,
Sit squeezing images of wax.Conceive the whole enchantment broke;
The witches left in open air,
With power no more than other folk,
Exposed with all their magic ware.So powerful are a banker’s bills,
Where creditors demand their due;
They break up counters, doors, and tills,
And leave the empty chests in view.Thus when an earthquake lets in light
Upon the god of gold and hell,
Unable to endure the sight,
He hides within his darkest cell.As when a conjurer takes a lease
From Satan for a term of years,
The tenant’s in a dismal case,
Whene’er the bloody bond appears.A baited banker thus desponds,
From his own hand foresees his fall,
They have his soul, who have his bonds;
‘Tis like the writing on the wall.[4]How will the caitiff wretch be scared,
When first he finds himself awake
At the last trumpet, unprepared,
And all his grand account to make!For in that universal call,
Few bankers will to heaven be mounters;
They’ll cry, “Ye shops, upon us fall!
Conceal and cover us, ye counters!”When other hands the scales shall hold,
And they, in men’s and angels’ sight
Produced with all their bills and gold,
“Weigh’d in the balance and found light!”[Footnote 1: This poem was printed some years ago, and it should seem, by the late failure of two bankers, to be somewhat prophetic. It was therefore thought fit to be reprinted.–_Dublin Edition_, 1734.]
[Footnote 2: Solomon, Proverbs, ch. xxiii, v. 5.]
[Footnote 3: Who, in his early days of empire, having to sign the sentence of a condemned criminal, exclaimed: “Quam vellem nescire litteras!” Suetonius, 10; and Seneca, “De Clementia,”, cited by Montaigne, “De l’inconstance de nos actions.”–_W. E. B._]
[Footnote 4: Daniel, ch. v, verses 25, 26, 27, 28.–_W. E. B._]
August 20, 2007 at 11:10 PM #78788bsrsharmaParticipantTHE RUN UPON THE BANKERS[1]
By Jonathan SwiftThe bold encroachers on the deep
Gain by degrees huge tracts of land,
Till Neptune, with one general sweep,
Turns all again to barren strand.The multitude’s capricious pranks
Are said to represent the seas,
Breaking the bankers and the banks,
Resume their own whene’er they please.Money, the life-blood of the nation,
Corrupts and stagnates in the veins,
Unless a proper circulation
Its motion and its heat maintains.Because ’tis lordly not to pay,
Quakers and aldermen in state,
Like peers, have levees every day
Of duns attending at their gate.We want our money on the nail;
The banker’s ruin’d if he pays:
They seem to act an ancient tale;
The birds are met to strip the jays.“Riches,” the wisest monarch sings,
“Make pinions for themselves to fly;”[2]
They fly like bats on parchment wings,
And geese their silver plumes supply.No money left for squandering heirs!
Bills turn the lenders into debtors:
The wish of Nero[3] now is theirs,
“That they had never known their letters.”Conceive the works of midnight hags,
Tormenting fools behind their backs:
Thus bankers, o’er their bills and bags,
Sit squeezing images of wax.Conceive the whole enchantment broke;
The witches left in open air,
With power no more than other folk,
Exposed with all their magic ware.So powerful are a banker’s bills,
Where creditors demand their due;
They break up counters, doors, and tills,
And leave the empty chests in view.Thus when an earthquake lets in light
Upon the god of gold and hell,
Unable to endure the sight,
He hides within his darkest cell.As when a conjurer takes a lease
From Satan for a term of years,
The tenant’s in a dismal case,
Whene’er the bloody bond appears.A baited banker thus desponds,
From his own hand foresees his fall,
They have his soul, who have his bonds;
‘Tis like the writing on the wall.[4]How will the caitiff wretch be scared,
When first he finds himself awake
At the last trumpet, unprepared,
And all his grand account to make!For in that universal call,
Few bankers will to heaven be mounters;
They’ll cry, “Ye shops, upon us fall!
Conceal and cover us, ye counters!”When other hands the scales shall hold,
And they, in men’s and angels’ sight
Produced with all their bills and gold,
“Weigh’d in the balance and found light!”[Footnote 1: This poem was printed some years ago, and it should seem, by the late failure of two bankers, to be somewhat prophetic. It was therefore thought fit to be reprinted.–_Dublin Edition_, 1734.]
[Footnote 2: Solomon, Proverbs, ch. xxiii, v. 5.]
[Footnote 3: Who, in his early days of empire, having to sign the sentence of a condemned criminal, exclaimed: “Quam vellem nescire litteras!” Suetonius, 10; and Seneca, “De Clementia,”, cited by Montaigne, “De l’inconstance de nos actions.”–_W. E. B._]
[Footnote 4: Daniel, ch. v, verses 25, 26, 27, 28.–_W. E. B._]
August 20, 2007 at 11:31 PM #78642cashmanParticipantWouldn’t worry about Countrywide. Wall St. Journal says W. Buffett is interested in buying them. He already has a big stake in B of A.
August 20, 2007 at 11:31 PM #78772cashmanParticipantWouldn’t worry about Countrywide. Wall St. Journal says W. Buffett is interested in buying them. He already has a big stake in B of A.
August 20, 2007 at 11:31 PM #78793cashmanParticipantWouldn’t worry about Countrywide. Wall St. Journal says W. Buffett is interested in buying them. He already has a big stake in B of A.
August 21, 2007 at 12:13 AM #78648ArrayaParticipantBuffet the biggest RE vulture of them all. He was eyeing Hovnanian as well. We are all hoping for a deal on a house. He’s buying multi-billion dollar companies for pennies on the dollar.
August 21, 2007 at 12:13 AM #78779ArrayaParticipantBuffet the biggest RE vulture of them all. He was eyeing Hovnanian as well. We are all hoping for a deal on a house. He’s buying multi-billion dollar companies for pennies on the dollar.
August 21, 2007 at 12:13 AM #78800ArrayaParticipantBuffet the biggest RE vulture of them all. He was eyeing Hovnanian as well. We are all hoping for a deal on a house. He’s buying multi-billion dollar companies for pennies on the dollar.
August 21, 2007 at 12:59 AM #78657temeculaguyParticipantCan you blame him for eyeing some of the troubled companies, he isn’t called the oracle because he got lucky once, there is money to be made in a downturn. It seems almost logical that buying a motgage company or a builder while it is cheap and everyone else is running away, change the business model, learn from the mistakes and emerge on the other side of the cycle. There is a reason thousands of people trust their money to Buffet and people watch his moves, nobody watches my moves for good reason.
I have to second what bob said about Wells Fargo, not sure about B of A but if a bunch of lenders go under, eventually the survivors will pick up market share. Things don’t go up forever and they won’t go down forever, it’s a little dicey right now because the smoke isn’t anywhere near settling but when it does, there will still be banks.
August 21, 2007 at 12:59 AM #78787temeculaguyParticipantCan you blame him for eyeing some of the troubled companies, he isn’t called the oracle because he got lucky once, there is money to be made in a downturn. It seems almost logical that buying a motgage company or a builder while it is cheap and everyone else is running away, change the business model, learn from the mistakes and emerge on the other side of the cycle. There is a reason thousands of people trust their money to Buffet and people watch his moves, nobody watches my moves for good reason.
I have to second what bob said about Wells Fargo, not sure about B of A but if a bunch of lenders go under, eventually the survivors will pick up market share. Things don’t go up forever and they won’t go down forever, it’s a little dicey right now because the smoke isn’t anywhere near settling but when it does, there will still be banks.
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