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Gotta agree with you on those points, meadandale.

That said, having more energy-efficient vehicles would be a great benefit to us. We could reduce the amount of money we send to undemocratic countries like Saudi Arabia and developing new technologies would be good for jobs here as well as for exporting products abroad. It would hopefully be good for the environment if we do it right. It really is a no-brainer. Hybrids, electrics, electric flywheel vehicles, there are all kinds of good ideas out there. What is missing is the political will from either party to do anything other than keeping the status quo going.

With regards to Gore, has anyone noticed that all of the proposals to fix the global warming issue are just new taxes and trading schemes? They’re just going to shift fossil fuel consumption from the poor to the rich without doing ANYTHING to reduce the total amount of fuel being burned. It’s almost like they’re trying to starve the third world because they’re worried about overpopulation. If they were really serious, the way to go about reducing fossil fuel use would be to develop smaller villages connected by railways with locally grown food sources and incentives to telecommute or walk or ride a bike to work.

So if you really want to save the environment, start telecommuting or if your job won’t let you, quit it and find one that will! It can really improve your overall quality of life, you’ll be amazed…

[cv2]

I am not a environmentalist. I just want to ask you this question:

If we consume the oil at the rate we are now, how long does it take to use up all the oils on planet earth?

My guess is that no more than 200 years, give or take 100 years. My point is that we got to search for alternative energies NOW.

[cv2]

I am not a environmentalist. I just want to ask you this question:

If we consume the oil at the rate we are now, how long does it take to use up all the oils on planet earth?

My guess is that no more than 200 years, give or take 100 years. My point is that we got to search for alternative energies NOW.

[cv2]

I am not a environmentalist. I just want to ask you this question:

If we consume the oil at the rate we are now, how long does it take to use up all the oils on planet earth?

My guess is that no more than 200 years, give or take 100 years. My point is that we got to search for alternative energies NOW.

[cv2]

I am not a environmentalist. I just want to ask you this question:

If we consume the oil at the rate we are now, how long does it take to use up all the oils on planet earth?

My guess is that no more than 200 years, give or take 100 years. My point is that we got to search for alternative energies NOW.

[cv2]

I am not a environmentalist. I just want to ask you this question:

If we consume the oil at the rate we are now, how long does it take to use up all the oils on planet earth?

My guess is that no more than 200 years, give or take 100 years. My point is that we got to search for alternative energies NOW.

[DWCAP]

I am kinda suprised by this tread. First off at how quick piggs resort to name calling and random irrelevant attacks to take down those who oppose their point of view. Calling someone a earth hater, or tree hugger who is gonna die in some terrible firery death cause they bought a car/SUV isnt really debating. It is trying to cow your opponent. Some of you must be politicans, cause you are great at twisting a good topic into fear mongering and random attacks. “BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN” I can hear you all screaming, ignoring the others screaming the exact same thing.

I like raptors response. It is like guns. Guns dont kill people until someone misuses it. It can be cause they dont respect the gun, dont know how to use the gun, or want to use it illegally, but a gun is an thing designed to hurl a projectile at high rates of speed at a target (living or not). A car is a object that hurls itself (and living occupants) at high rates of speed to a target (location). What is important is the PERSON using it and how they use it. Alot more people die every year on our roads than they do from our guns, but we seem alot more worried about gun deaths than traffic deaths. Weird considering gun ownership (currently) is a right, and vehicle ownership isnt. (please get that my point is personal responsibility, not gun ownership/use and its inherint dangers)

To add alittle to the facts, but in context of users, who do you think is driving those little cars and pickups? Young people and young men respectivly. The most dangerous drivers on the road. To be shocked that those cars have more deaths when they, percentage wise, have worse drivers is kinda missing the point. I dont care what car you are in, if you put a distracted, inexperienced, or enraged driver of any age in it and set it off at a high rate of speed, it is a death trap no matter what.

To put it another way:
There is a grand old oak tree on a winding country road very close to where my parents live. It is far off to the side of the road, a danger to no one. However it is also a direct line from the tree to a VERY sharp curve in the road. Currently there are two places on that tree that have all the bark scrapped off. Both are where SUV’s(one big, one carlike) carrying a family of 4, ignored the warning signs, took the turn too fast, lost control and slammed into the tree, killing everyone inside.

Sadly, we have not been able to engeneer a car that protects us from any and all human complancy and stupidity. Driving anything is dangerous, and will kill you if used inappropratly. Pay attention!, no matter what you decide to drive.

[DWCAP]

I am kinda suprised by this tread. First off at how quick piggs resort to name calling and random irrelevant attacks to take down those who oppose their point of view. Calling someone a earth hater, or tree hugger who is gonna die in some terrible firery death cause they bought a car/SUV isnt really debating. It is trying to cow your opponent. Some of you must be politicans, cause you are great at twisting a good topic into fear mongering and random attacks. “BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN” I can hear you all screaming, ignoring the others screaming the exact same thing.

I like raptors response. It is like guns. Guns dont kill people until someone misuses it. It can be cause they dont respect the gun, dont know how to use the gun, or want to use it illegally, but a gun is an thing designed to hurl a projectile at high rates of speed at a target (living or not). A car is a object that hurls itself (and living occupants) at high rates of speed to a target (location). What is important is the PERSON using it and how they use it. Alot more people die every year on our roads than they do from our guns, but we seem alot more worried about gun deaths than traffic deaths. Weird considering gun ownership (currently) is a right, and vehicle ownership isnt. (please get that my point is personal responsibility, not gun ownership/use and its inherint dangers)

To add alittle to the facts, but in context of users, who do you think is driving those little cars and pickups? Young people and young men respectivly. The most dangerous drivers on the road. To be shocked that those cars have more deaths when they, percentage wise, have worse drivers is kinda missing the point. I dont care what car you are in, if you put a distracted, inexperienced, or enraged driver of any age in it and set it off at a high rate of speed, it is a death trap no matter what.

To put it another way:
There is a grand old oak tree on a winding country road very close to where my parents live. It is far off to the side of the road, a danger to no one. However it is also a direct line from the tree to a VERY sharp curve in the road. Currently there are two places on that tree that have all the bark scrapped off. Both are where SUV’s(one big, one carlike) carrying a family of 4, ignored the warning signs, took the turn too fast, lost control and slammed into the tree, killing everyone inside.

Sadly, we have not been able to engeneer a car that protects us from any and all human complancy and stupidity. Driving anything is dangerous, and will kill you if used inappropratly. Pay attention!, no matter what you decide to drive.

[DWCAP]

I am kinda suprised by this tread. First off at how quick piggs resort to name calling and random irrelevant attacks to take down those who oppose their point of view. Calling someone a earth hater, or tree hugger who is gonna die in some terrible firery death cause they bought a car/SUV isnt really debating. It is trying to cow your opponent. Some of you must be politicans, cause you are great at twisting a good topic into fear mongering and random attacks. “BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN” I can hear you all screaming, ignoring the others screaming the exact same thing.

I like raptors response. It is like guns. Guns dont kill people until someone misuses it. It can be cause they dont respect the gun, dont know how to use the gun, or want to use it illegally, but a gun is an thing designed to hurl a projectile at high rates of speed at a target (living or not). A car is a object that hurls itself (and living occupants) at high rates of speed to a target (location). What is important is the PERSON using it and how they use it. Alot more people die every year on our roads than they do from our guns, but we seem alot more worried about gun deaths than traffic deaths. Weird considering gun ownership (currently) is a right, and vehicle ownership isnt. (please get that my point is personal responsibility, not gun ownership/use and its inherint dangers)

To add alittle to the facts, but in context of users, who do you think is driving those little cars and pickups? Young people and young men respectivly. The most dangerous drivers on the road. To be shocked that those cars have more deaths when they, percentage wise, have worse drivers is kinda missing the point. I dont care what car you are in, if you put a distracted, inexperienced, or enraged driver of any age in it and set it off at a high rate of speed, it is a death trap no matter what.

To put it another way:
There is a grand old oak tree on a winding country road very close to where my parents live. It is far off to the side of the road, a danger to no one. However it is also a direct line from the tree to a VERY sharp curve in the road. Currently there are two places on that tree that have all the bark scrapped off. Both are where SUV’s(one big, one carlike) carrying a family of 4, ignored the warning signs, took the turn too fast, lost control and slammed into the tree, killing everyone inside.

Sadly, we have not been able to engeneer a car that protects us from any and all human complancy and stupidity. Driving anything is dangerous, and will kill you if used inappropratly. Pay attention!, no matter what you decide to drive.

[DWCAP]

I am kinda suprised by this tread. First off at how quick piggs resort to name calling and random irrelevant attacks to take down those who oppose their point of view. Calling someone a earth hater, or tree hugger who is gonna die in some terrible firery death cause they bought a car/SUV isnt really debating. It is trying to cow your opponent. Some of you must be politicans, cause you are great at twisting a good topic into fear mongering and random attacks. “BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN” I can hear you all screaming, ignoring the others screaming the exact same thing.

I like raptors response. It is like guns. Guns dont kill people until someone misuses it. It can be cause they dont respect the gun, dont know how to use the gun, or want to use it illegally, but a gun is an thing designed to hurl a projectile at high rates of speed at a target (living or not). A car is a object that hurls itself (and living occupants) at high rates of speed to a target (location). What is important is the PERSON using it and how they use it. Alot more people die every year on our roads than they do from our guns, but we seem alot more worried about gun deaths than traffic deaths. Weird considering gun ownership (currently) is a right, and vehicle ownership isnt. (please get that my point is personal responsibility, not gun ownership/use and its inherint dangers)

To add alittle to the facts, but in context of users, who do you think is driving those little cars and pickups? Young people and young men respectivly. The most dangerous drivers on the road. To be shocked that those cars have more deaths when they, percentage wise, have worse drivers is kinda missing the point. I dont care what car you are in, if you put a distracted, inexperienced, or enraged driver of any age in it and set it off at a high rate of speed, it is a death trap no matter what.

To put it another way:
There is a grand old oak tree on a winding country road very close to where my parents live. It is far off to the side of the road, a danger to no one. However it is also a direct line from the tree to a VERY sharp curve in the road. Currently there are two places on that tree that have all the bark scrapped off. Both are where SUV’s(one big, one carlike) carrying a family of 4, ignored the warning signs, took the turn too fast, lost control and slammed into the tree, killing everyone inside.

Sadly, we have not been able to engeneer a car that protects us from any and all human complancy and stupidity. Driving anything is dangerous, and will kill you if used inappropratly. Pay attention!, no matter what you decide to drive.

[DWCAP]

I am kinda suprised by this tread. First off at how quick piggs resort to name calling and random irrelevant attacks to take down those who oppose their point of view. Calling someone a earth hater, or tree hugger who is gonna die in some terrible firery death cause they bought a car/SUV isnt really debating. It is trying to cow your opponent. Some of you must be politicans, cause you are great at twisting a good topic into fear mongering and random attacks. “BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN” I can hear you all screaming, ignoring the others screaming the exact same thing.

I like raptors response. It is like guns. Guns dont kill people until someone misuses it. It can be cause they dont respect the gun, dont know how to use the gun, or want to use it illegally, but a gun is an thing designed to hurl a projectile at high rates of speed at a target (living or not). A car is a object that hurls itself (and living occupants) at high rates of speed to a target (location). What is important is the PERSON using it and how they use it. Alot more people die every year on our roads than they do from our guns, but we seem alot more worried about gun deaths than traffic deaths. Weird considering gun ownership (currently) is a right, and vehicle ownership isnt. (please get that my point is personal responsibility, not gun ownership/use and its inherint dangers)

To add alittle to the facts, but in context of users, who do you think is driving those little cars and pickups? Young people and young men respectivly. The most dangerous drivers on the road. To be shocked that those cars have more deaths when they, percentage wise, have worse drivers is kinda missing the point. I dont care what car you are in, if you put a distracted, inexperienced, or enraged driver of any age in it and set it off at a high rate of speed, it is a death trap no matter what.

To put it another way:
There is a grand old oak tree on a winding country road very close to where my parents live. It is far off to the side of the road, a danger to no one. However it is also a direct line from the tree to a VERY sharp curve in the road. Currently there are two places on that tree that have all the bark scrapped off. Both are where SUV’s(one big, one carlike) carrying a family of 4, ignored the warning signs, took the turn too fast, lost control and slammed into the tree, killing everyone inside.

Sadly, we have not been able to engeneer a car that protects us from any and all human complancy and stupidity. Driving anything is dangerous, and will kill you if used inappropratly. Pay attention!, no matter what you decide to drive.

[zzz]

I agree with raptor and DWCAP – its all about the driver. The fact is – when you collide with a SUV – you are much more likely to be the one dead, dismembered, disfigured, injured. The rollover and the braking argument – these are things YOU as the driver of your SUV/CUV can control with the way you choose to drive. What you cannot control is the idiot driver who smashes into you or broadsides you. Therefore I’m going to go with the odds that I’m not an idiot and can drive my vehicle safely versus relying on others not to hit me.

Unfortunately, since these statistics hold true, people will choose to protect themselves and drive bigger cars so they don’t end up getting crushed by a SUV.

I drive a crossover and get better mileage than some of my friends in non SUV or CUV gas guzzling V8s car that have smaller bodies than mine.

What do you SUV loathing ones propose we do to remove the majority of SUVs off the road? Do you think that people will just “choose” to do it on their own? I’m not big on government regulating our choices, but I’m afraid in this situation, it has to occur top down. I posted a link to the Nova piece on the future of cars that you can watch online if you didn’t catch it on PBS a few weeks ago in another thread.

Why are car companies not investing in other materials that while may be more expensive, are far more durable and far more efficient? Maybe because their entire manufacturing process and investment is a sunk cost? Something like 80%-90% of your energy used occurs between your engine and your front tire. This is an excerpt of the interview that you don’t have to sacrifice car size or car safety to increase efficiency.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/car/greene.html

“Over the next 10 or 12 years, we can increase new vehicle efficiency by another 50 percent without having to make smaller vehicles, just by making more efficient engines, more efficient transmissions, slipperier shapes, reduced rolling resistance, and taking some weight out of cars with material substitution. [See Model of Efficiency for more details.]”

[zzz]

I agree with raptor and DWCAP – its all about the driver. The fact is – when you collide with a SUV – you are much more likely to be the one dead, dismembered, disfigured, injured. The rollover and the braking argument – these are things YOU as the driver of your SUV/CUV can control with the way you choose to drive. What you cannot control is the idiot driver who smashes into you or broadsides you. Therefore I’m going to go with the odds that I’m not an idiot and can drive my vehicle safely versus relying on others not to hit me.

Unfortunately, since these statistics hold true, people will choose to protect themselves and drive bigger cars so they don’t end up getting crushed by a SUV.

I drive a crossover and get better mileage than some of my friends in non SUV or CUV gas guzzling V8s car that have smaller bodies than mine.

What do you SUV loathing ones propose we do to remove the majority of SUVs off the road? Do you think that people will just “choose” to do it on their own? I’m not big on government regulating our choices, but I’m afraid in this situation, it has to occur top down. I posted a link to the Nova piece on the future of cars that you can watch online if you didn’t catch it on PBS a few weeks ago in another thread.

Why are car companies not investing in other materials that while may be more expensive, are far more durable and far more efficient? Maybe because their entire manufacturing process and investment is a sunk cost? Something like 80%-90% of your energy used occurs between your engine and your front tire. This is an excerpt of the interview that you don’t have to sacrifice car size or car safety to increase efficiency.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/car/greene.html

“Over the next 10 or 12 years, we can increase new vehicle efficiency by another 50 percent without having to make smaller vehicles, just by making more efficient engines, more efficient transmissions, slipperier shapes, reduced rolling resistance, and taking some weight out of cars with material substitution. [See Model of Efficiency for more details.]”

[zzz]

I agree with raptor and DWCAP – its all about the driver. The fact is – when you collide with a SUV – you are much more likely to be the one dead, dismembered, disfigured, injured. The rollover and the braking argument – these are things YOU as the driver of your SUV/CUV can control with the way you choose to drive. What you cannot control is the idiot driver who smashes into you or broadsides you. Therefore I’m going to go with the odds that I’m not an idiot and can drive my vehicle safely versus relying on others not to hit me.

Unfortunately, since these statistics hold true, people will choose to protect themselves and drive bigger cars so they don’t end up getting crushed by a SUV.

I drive a crossover and get better mileage than some of my friends in non SUV or CUV gas guzzling V8s car that have smaller bodies than mine.

What do you SUV loathing ones propose we do to remove the majority of SUVs off the road? Do you think that people will just “choose” to do it on their own? I’m not big on government regulating our choices, but I’m afraid in this situation, it has to occur top down. I posted a link to the Nova piece on the future of cars that you can watch online if you didn’t catch it on PBS a few weeks ago in another thread.

Why are car companies not investing in other materials that while may be more expensive, are far more durable and far more efficient? Maybe because their entire manufacturing process and investment is a sunk cost? Something like 80%-90% of your energy used occurs between your engine and your front tire. This is an excerpt of the interview that you don’t have to sacrifice car size or car safety to increase efficiency.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/car/greene.html

“Over the next 10 or 12 years, we can increase new vehicle efficiency by another 50 percent without having to make smaller vehicles, just by making more efficient engines, more efficient transmissions, slipperier shapes, reduced rolling resistance, and taking some weight out of cars with material substitution. [See Model of Efficiency for more details.]”

[zzz]

I agree with raptor and DWCAP – its all about the driver. The fact is – when you collide with a SUV – you are much more likely to be the one dead, dismembered, disfigured, injured. The rollover and the braking argument – these are things YOU as the driver of your SUV/CUV can control with the way you choose to drive. What you cannot control is the idiot driver who smashes into you or broadsides you. Therefore I’m going to go with the odds that I’m not an idiot and can drive my vehicle safely versus relying on others not to hit me.

Unfortunately, since these statistics hold true, people will choose to protect themselves and drive bigger cars so they don’t end up getting crushed by a SUV.

I drive a crossover and get better mileage than some of my friends in non SUV or CUV gas guzzling V8s car that have smaller bodies than mine.

What do you SUV loathing ones propose we do to remove the majority of SUVs off the road? Do you think that people will just “choose” to do it on their own? I’m not big on government regulating our choices, but I’m afraid in this situation, it has to occur top down. I posted a link to the Nova piece on the future of cars that you can watch online if you didn’t catch it on PBS a few weeks ago in another thread.

Why are car companies not investing in other materials that while may be more expensive, are far more durable and far more efficient? Maybe because their entire manufacturing process and investment is a sunk cost? Something like 80%-90% of your energy used occurs between your engine and your front tire. This is an excerpt of the interview that you don’t have to sacrifice car size or car safety to increase efficiency.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/car/greene.html

“Over the next 10 or 12 years, we can increase new vehicle efficiency by another 50 percent without having to make smaller vehicles, just by making more efficient engines, more efficient transmissions, slipperier shapes, reduced rolling resistance, and taking some weight out of cars with material substitution. [See Model of Efficiency for more details.]”

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