Idiot SUV owners have trouble selling

[paramount]

I have (2) large SUV’s and a large pickup.

As far as politics, I don’t care if it’s Obama or Clinton, as long as it’s not a Republican.

I actually thought about trading in my baby SUV (an Expedition) for an Accord or something like that. It had nothing to do with MPG, just want some of the latest safety features (stability control, side airbags, etc…).

Trading in for MPG is usually a mistake and the payoff typically takes years and years.

[equalizer]

Nobody here is going to trust a lobbying group funded by neocons to preach SUV safety. So I will point to THE definitive guide in auto safety – the IIHS.

http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts_2006/occupants.html#sec3

Note:
Seventy-one percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were drivers; 70 percent of these drivers were males. Thirty-three percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were younger than 25 and 12% were >70. Mmm, men drive bigger cars and yet 70% of deaths.

Occupant deaths per million registered passenger vehicles 1-3 years old, 1978-2006 pickup are worse than cars or suvs. No surprise since pickups have worst safety eqpmt.

Fatality rates by vehicle: http://www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr4204.pdf

Note that Excursions have very high roller deaths.

Safest are minivans, larger suvs and luxury cars per million registered vehicles. Authors state they have attempted to normalize for females drivers, but not for other demographics. Not normalized for miles driven, bet the bigger SUVs, etc are driven less and by older drivers. So 750iL is among the safest, but those stupid liberal males cant afford them!! HA, HA!

The risk of dying in a crash at night is nearly three times the risk of dying in daylight hours. In 1998, about 27,000 people died in nighttime traffic crashes in the United States, even though only about 25 percent of travel is at night. http://www.usroads.com/journals/rmej/0109/rm010902.htm

So heres the lessons to be safe, let the females drive (>21, <65), dont drive at night, drive in a SUV limo. We neocons laugh at those stupid libs getting back from their quickmart jobs in their yugos, less taxes for us when they roll aside.

[equalizer]

Nobody here is going to trust a lobbying group funded by neocons to preach SUV safety. So I will point to THE definitive guide in auto safety – the IIHS.

http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts_2006/occupants.html#sec3

Note:
Seventy-one percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were drivers; 70 percent of these drivers were males. Thirty-three percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were younger than 25 and 12% were >70. Mmm, men drive bigger cars and yet 70% of deaths.

Occupant deaths per million registered passenger vehicles 1-3 years old, 1978-2006 pickup are worse than cars or suvs. No surprise since pickups have worst safety eqpmt.

Fatality rates by vehicle: http://www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr4204.pdf

Note that Excursions have very high roller deaths.

Safest are minivans, larger suvs and luxury cars per million registered vehicles. Authors state they have attempted to normalize for females drivers, but not for other demographics. Not normalized for miles driven, bet the bigger SUVs, etc are driven less and by older drivers. So 750iL is among the safest, but those stupid liberal males cant afford them!! HA, HA!

The risk of dying in a crash at night is nearly three times the risk of dying in daylight hours. In 1998, about 27,000 people died in nighttime traffic crashes in the United States, even though only about 25 percent of travel is at night. http://www.usroads.com/journals/rmej/0109/rm010902.htm

So heres the lessons to be safe, let the females drive (>21, <65), dont drive at night, drive in a SUV limo. We neocons laugh at those stupid libs getting back from their quickmart jobs in their yugos, less taxes for us when they roll aside.

[equalizer]

Nobody here is going to trust a lobbying group funded by neocons to preach SUV safety. So I will point to THE definitive guide in auto safety – the IIHS.

http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts_2006/occupants.html#sec3

Note:
Seventy-one percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were drivers; 70 percent of these drivers were males. Thirty-three percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were younger than 25 and 12% were >70. Mmm, men drive bigger cars and yet 70% of deaths.

Occupant deaths per million registered passenger vehicles 1-3 years old, 1978-2006 pickup are worse than cars or suvs. No surprise since pickups have worst safety eqpmt.

Fatality rates by vehicle: http://www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr4204.pdf

Note that Excursions have very high roller deaths.

Safest are minivans, larger suvs and luxury cars per million registered vehicles. Authors state they have attempted to normalize for females drivers, but not for other demographics. Not normalized for miles driven, bet the bigger SUVs, etc are driven less and by older drivers. So 750iL is among the safest, but those stupid liberal males cant afford them!! HA, HA!

The risk of dying in a crash at night is nearly three times the risk of dying in daylight hours. In 1998, about 27,000 people died in nighttime traffic crashes in the United States, even though only about 25 percent of travel is at night. http://www.usroads.com/journals/rmej/0109/rm010902.htm

So heres the lessons to be safe, let the females drive (>21, <65), dont drive at night, drive in a SUV limo. We neocons laugh at those stupid libs getting back from their quickmart jobs in their yugos, less taxes for us when they roll aside.

[equalizer]

Nobody here is going to trust a lobbying group funded by neocons to preach SUV safety. So I will point to THE definitive guide in auto safety – the IIHS.

http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts_2006/occupants.html#sec3

Note:
Seventy-one percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were drivers; 70 percent of these drivers were males. Thirty-three percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were younger than 25 and 12% were >70. Mmm, men drive bigger cars and yet 70% of deaths.

Occupant deaths per million registered passenger vehicles 1-3 years old, 1978-2006 pickup are worse than cars or suvs. No surprise since pickups have worst safety eqpmt.

Fatality rates by vehicle: http://www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr4204.pdf

Note that Excursions have very high roller deaths.

Safest are minivans, larger suvs and luxury cars per million registered vehicles. Authors state they have attempted to normalize for females drivers, but not for other demographics. Not normalized for miles driven, bet the bigger SUVs, etc are driven less and by older drivers. So 750iL is among the safest, but those stupid liberal males cant afford them!! HA, HA!

The risk of dying in a crash at night is nearly three times the risk of dying in daylight hours. In 1998, about 27,000 people died in nighttime traffic crashes in the United States, even though only about 25 percent of travel is at night. http://www.usroads.com/journals/rmej/0109/rm010902.htm

So heres the lessons to be safe, let the females drive (>21, <65), dont drive at night, drive in a SUV limo. We neocons laugh at those stupid libs getting back from their quickmart jobs in their yugos, less taxes for us when they roll aside.

[equalizer]

Nobody here is going to trust a lobbying group funded by neocons to preach SUV safety. So I will point to THE definitive guide in auto safety – the IIHS.

http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts_2006/occupants.html#sec3

Note:
Seventy-one percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were drivers; 70 percent of these drivers were males. Thirty-three percent of passenger vehicle occupants killed in 2006 were younger than 25 and 12% were >70. Mmm, men drive bigger cars and yet 70% of deaths.

Occupant deaths per million registered passenger vehicles 1-3 years old, 1978-2006 pickup are worse than cars or suvs. No surprise since pickups have worst safety eqpmt.

Fatality rates by vehicle: http://www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr4204.pdf

Note that Excursions have very high roller deaths.

Safest are minivans, larger suvs and luxury cars per million registered vehicles. Authors state they have attempted to normalize for females drivers, but not for other demographics. Not normalized for miles driven, bet the bigger SUVs, etc are driven less and by older drivers. So 750iL is among the safest, but those stupid liberal males cant afford them!! HA, HA!

The risk of dying in a crash at night is nearly three times the risk of dying in daylight hours. In 1998, about 27,000 people died in nighttime traffic crashes in the United States, even though only about 25 percent of travel is at night. http://www.usroads.com/journals/rmej/0109/rm010902.htm

So heres the lessons to be safe, let the females drive (>21, <65), dont drive at night, drive in a SUV limo. We neocons laugh at those stupid libs getting back from their quickmart jobs in their yugos, less taxes for us when they roll aside.

[Coronita]

I should have clarified. SUV based on car platforms make excellant safety vehicles. I believe the new term is CUV. But, there's no doubt some SUV's with higher center of gravity are more prone to rollover.

 

Though, you can't dispute. A vehicle weighing 6klbs crashing into a civic. Me thinks someone isn't going to walk away.

 

 

 

Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I should have clarified. SUV based on car platforms make excellant safety vehicles. I believe the new term is CUV. But, there's no doubt some SUV's with higher center of gravity are more prone to rollover.

 

Though, you can't dispute. A vehicle weighing 6klbs crashing into a civic. Me thinks someone isn't going to walk away.

 

 

 

Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I should have clarified. SUV based on car platforms make excellant safety vehicles. I believe the new term is CUV. But, there's no doubt some SUV's with higher center of gravity are more prone to rollover.

 

Though, you can't dispute. A vehicle weighing 6klbs crashing into a civic. Me thinks someone isn't going to walk away.

 

 

 

Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I should have clarified. SUV based on car platforms make excellant safety vehicles. I believe the new term is CUV. But, there's no doubt some SUV's with higher center of gravity are more prone to rollover.

 

Though, you can't dispute. A vehicle weighing 6klbs crashing into a civic. Me thinks someone isn't going to walk away.

 

 

 

Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

I should have clarified. SUV based on car platforms make excellant safety vehicles. I believe the new term is CUV. But, there's no doubt some SUV's with higher center of gravity are more prone to rollover.

 

Though, you can't dispute. A vehicle weighing 6klbs crashing into a civic. Me thinks someone isn't going to walk away.

 

 

 

Sour grapes for everyone!

[SDEngineer]

Even with stability control, a SUV is inherently more prone to stability issues like rollovers – it’s a simple consequence of having a much higher center of gravity, and there’s nothing short of repealing the laws of physics that can correct that. They may have improved their handling, but the average SUV still is incapable of emergency lane changes and avoidance maneuvers with anything like the agility of a smaller vehicle. Inertia sees to that.

Another issue is that, being heavier, they have longer stopping distances than smaller vehicles (generally about 20-25% longer stopping distances) – pesky inertia again.

And as for the safety issue – well, yes, in a normal crash, they are going to be safer on average because they are often substantially larger than the vehicles they hit or are hit by. Fewer SUVs on the road and that advantage disappears. With modern manufacturing and design, smaller cars can be just as safe in collisions with similarly weighted vehicles. By the exact same logic, btw, SUVs are inherently MORE hazardous to be around if you are in a smaller vehicle.

Oh, and equalizer? You’d be surprised how many engineers and scientists are liberals – and we don’t drive Yugos.

[SDEngineer]

Even with stability control, a SUV is inherently more prone to stability issues like rollovers – it’s a simple consequence of having a much higher center of gravity, and there’s nothing short of repealing the laws of physics that can correct that. They may have improved their handling, but the average SUV still is incapable of emergency lane changes and avoidance maneuvers with anything like the agility of a smaller vehicle. Inertia sees to that.

Another issue is that, being heavier, they have longer stopping distances than smaller vehicles (generally about 20-25% longer stopping distances) – pesky inertia again.

And as for the safety issue – well, yes, in a normal crash, they are going to be safer on average because they are often substantially larger than the vehicles they hit or are hit by. Fewer SUVs on the road and that advantage disappears. With modern manufacturing and design, smaller cars can be just as safe in collisions with similarly weighted vehicles. By the exact same logic, btw, SUVs are inherently MORE hazardous to be around if you are in a smaller vehicle.

Oh, and equalizer? You’d be surprised how many engineers and scientists are liberals – and we don’t drive Yugos.

[SDEngineer]

Even with stability control, a SUV is inherently more prone to stability issues like rollovers – it’s a simple consequence of having a much higher center of gravity, and there’s nothing short of repealing the laws of physics that can correct that. They may have improved their handling, but the average SUV still is incapable of emergency lane changes and avoidance maneuvers with anything like the agility of a smaller vehicle. Inertia sees to that.

Another issue is that, being heavier, they have longer stopping distances than smaller vehicles (generally about 20-25% longer stopping distances) – pesky inertia again.

And as for the safety issue – well, yes, in a normal crash, they are going to be safer on average because they are often substantially larger than the vehicles they hit or are hit by. Fewer SUVs on the road and that advantage disappears. With modern manufacturing and design, smaller cars can be just as safe in collisions with similarly weighted vehicles. By the exact same logic, btw, SUVs are inherently MORE hazardous to be around if you are in a smaller vehicle.

Oh, and equalizer? You’d be surprised how many engineers and scientists are liberals – and we don’t drive Yugos.

[SDEngineer]

Even with stability control, a SUV is inherently more prone to stability issues like rollovers – it’s a simple consequence of having a much higher center of gravity, and there’s nothing short of repealing the laws of physics that can correct that. They may have improved their handling, but the average SUV still is incapable of emergency lane changes and avoidance maneuvers with anything like the agility of a smaller vehicle. Inertia sees to that.

Another issue is that, being heavier, they have longer stopping distances than smaller vehicles (generally about 20-25% longer stopping distances) – pesky inertia again.

And as for the safety issue – well, yes, in a normal crash, they are going to be safer on average because they are often substantially larger than the vehicles they hit or are hit by. Fewer SUVs on the road and that advantage disappears. With modern manufacturing and design, smaller cars can be just as safe in collisions with similarly weighted vehicles. By the exact same logic, btw, SUVs are inherently MORE hazardous to be around if you are in a smaller vehicle.

Oh, and equalizer? You’d be surprised how many engineers and scientists are liberals – and we don’t drive Yugos.

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