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[sdrealtor]

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I dont know the exact numbers and was just extrapolating from my experience. In my mind I guess I am looking at a wider definition of welfare. Its not just welfare fraud among folks receiving welfare payments. There is food stamp fraud, medicaid fraud, unemployment fraud and lots more that dont come to mind which I put under the same large umbrella of exploiting public assistance programs. Whatever anyone chooses to call it, its a big problem just like the crooks in the big financial institutions are a big problem.

[briansd1]

sdrealtor, I’m not really offended by “wider welfare” fraud as you put it because it’s never a situation I would want to be in.

Sure, people get payments for not working but they eke-out an existence. In order to qualify for public assistance, you have to put yourself in a situation of no job and no assets.

Unemployment is limited to 6 months. Welfare is limited to 5 years. Medicaid/Medi-cal and CMS get you liens on your current and future assets.

Not really a good position to be in. I don’t envy those people on “welfare”.

If you could “steal” $100 million sitting at your desk and stash it away abroad, you might seriously think about it.

Even you were to get caught and serve 2 years in a white collar prison, thanks to your top-notch lawyer, it might still be worth it.

[briansd1]

sdrealtor, I’m not really offended by “wider welfare” fraud as you put it because it’s never a situation I would want to be in.

Sure, people get payments for not working but they eke-out an existence. In order to qualify for public assistance, you have to put yourself in a situation of no job and no assets.

Unemployment is limited to 6 months. Welfare is limited to 5 years. Medicaid/Medi-cal and CMS get you liens on your current and future assets.

Not really a good position to be in. I don’t envy those people on “welfare”.

If you could “steal” $100 million sitting at your desk and stash it away abroad, you might seriously think about it.

Even you were to get caught and serve 2 years in a white collar prison, thanks to your top-notch lawyer, it might still be worth it.

[briansd1]

sdrealtor, I’m not really offended by “wider welfare” fraud as you put it because it’s never a situation I would want to be in.

Sure, people get payments for not working but they eke-out an existence. In order to qualify for public assistance, you have to put yourself in a situation of no job and no assets.

Unemployment is limited to 6 months. Welfare is limited to 5 years. Medicaid/Medi-cal and CMS get you liens on your current and future assets.

Not really a good position to be in. I don’t envy those people on “welfare”.

If you could “steal” $100 million sitting at your desk and stash it away abroad, you might seriously think about it.

Even you were to get caught and serve 2 years in a white collar prison, thanks to your top-notch lawyer, it might still be worth it.

[briansd1]

sdrealtor, I’m not really offended by “wider welfare” fraud as you put it because it’s never a situation I would want to be in.

Sure, people get payments for not working but they eke-out an existence. In order to qualify for public assistance, you have to put yourself in a situation of no job and no assets.

Unemployment is limited to 6 months. Welfare is limited to 5 years. Medicaid/Medi-cal and CMS get you liens on your current and future assets.

Not really a good position to be in. I don’t envy those people on “welfare”.

If you could “steal” $100 million sitting at your desk and stash it away abroad, you might seriously think about it.

Even you were to get caught and serve 2 years in a white collar prison, thanks to your top-notch lawyer, it might still be worth it.

[briansd1]

sdrealtor, I’m not really offended by “wider welfare” fraud as you put it because it’s never a situation I would want to be in.

Sure, people get payments for not working but they eke-out an existence. In order to qualify for public assistance, you have to put yourself in a situation of no job and no assets.

Unemployment is limited to 6 months. Welfare is limited to 5 years. Medicaid/Medi-cal and CMS get you liens on your current and future assets.

Not really a good position to be in. I don’t envy those people on “welfare”.

If you could “steal” $100 million sitting at your desk and stash it away abroad, you might seriously think about it.

Even you were to get caught and serve 2 years in a white collar prison, thanks to your top-notch lawyer, it might still be worth it.

[sdrealtor]

Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?

[sdrealtor]

Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?

[sdrealtor]

Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?

[sdrealtor]

Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?

[sdrealtor]

Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?

[UCGal]

[quote=sdrealtor]Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?[/quote]

I lived in Philly when the laws changed in the 90’s. My friends were all social workers. (How an engineer ended up with all social worker friends is a long story – but that’s who I met and made friends with when I moved there.) They saw the transition, and related it to me.

These friends were in the trenches – working with family services agencies with many of their clients in the projects.

I don’t think there’s as much fraud or people on welfare in Philly compared to pre-1996. People were booted off in droves. West Philly, North Philly – lots more people with jobs (or slinging crack) compared to previous. My one friend was specifically working with families on job skills and job interview skills – having to teach her clients basic stuff like show up on time, and dress presentable. But her clients were kicked off welfare whether they wanted to be or not.

I agree that prior to the change in the laws fraud was exceptionally bad – especially baby-daddy’s living off the welfare checks of their baby-mama’s.

[UCGal]

[quote=sdrealtor]Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?[/quote]

I lived in Philly when the laws changed in the 90’s. My friends were all social workers. (How an engineer ended up with all social worker friends is a long story – but that’s who I met and made friends with when I moved there.) They saw the transition, and related it to me.

These friends were in the trenches – working with family services agencies with many of their clients in the projects.

I don’t think there’s as much fraud or people on welfare in Philly compared to pre-1996. People were booted off in droves. West Philly, North Philly – lots more people with jobs (or slinging crack) compared to previous. My one friend was specifically working with families on job skills and job interview skills – having to teach her clients basic stuff like show up on time, and dress presentable. But her clients were kicked off welfare whether they wanted to be or not.

I agree that prior to the change in the laws fraud was exceptionally bad – especially baby-daddy’s living off the welfare checks of their baby-mama’s.

[UCGal]

[quote=sdrealtor]Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?[/quote]

I lived in Philly when the laws changed in the 90’s. My friends were all social workers. (How an engineer ended up with all social worker friends is a long story – but that’s who I met and made friends with when I moved there.) They saw the transition, and related it to me.

These friends were in the trenches – working with family services agencies with many of their clients in the projects.

I don’t think there’s as much fraud or people on welfare in Philly compared to pre-1996. People were booted off in droves. West Philly, North Philly – lots more people with jobs (or slinging crack) compared to previous. My one friend was specifically working with families on job skills and job interview skills – having to teach her clients basic stuff like show up on time, and dress presentable. But her clients were kicked off welfare whether they wanted to be or not.

I agree that prior to the change in the laws fraud was exceptionally bad – especially baby-daddy’s living off the welfare checks of their baby-mama’s.

[UCGal]

[quote=sdrealtor]Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?[/quote]

I lived in Philly when the laws changed in the 90’s. My friends were all social workers. (How an engineer ended up with all social worker friends is a long story – but that’s who I met and made friends with when I moved there.) They saw the transition, and related it to me.

These friends were in the trenches – working with family services agencies with many of their clients in the projects.

I don’t think there’s as much fraud or people on welfare in Philly compared to pre-1996. People were booted off in droves. West Philly, North Philly – lots more people with jobs (or slinging crack) compared to previous. My one friend was specifically working with families on job skills and job interview skills – having to teach her clients basic stuff like show up on time, and dress presentable. But her clients were kicked off welfare whether they wanted to be or not.

I agree that prior to the change in the laws fraud was exceptionally bad – especially baby-daddy’s living off the welfare checks of their baby-mama’s.

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