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[quote=walterwhite]i think there’s some sense in which we identify with the scale of the welfare fraud, feel like we could have dne that where the larger fraud is out of our reach. it seems worse because it is closer to home.[/quote]

No, it comes from protestantism or calvinism. I suspect it could come from the divine right of kings originally, but that is just a guess. It’s the belief that the more money you have the more godly or pure you are or success is a sign of God’s favor. Poor people should have no dignity because they are in the position for a reason. It’s very much an american cultural value.

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[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]

I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.

I would agree that there are 10’s of thousands committing welfare fraud but I doubt it’s in the multi-hundreds of thousands.

In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.

Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm

but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:

The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available

So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.

As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.

[UCGal]

[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]

I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.

I would agree that there are 10’s of thousands committing welfare fraud but I doubt it’s in the multi-hundreds of thousands.

In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.

Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm

but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:

The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available

So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.

As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.

[UCGal]

[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]

I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.

I would agree that there are 10’s of thousands committing welfare fraud but I doubt it’s in the multi-hundreds of thousands.

In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.

Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm

but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:

The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available

So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.

As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.

[UCGal]

[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]

I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.

I would agree that there are 10’s of thousands committing welfare fraud but I doubt it’s in the multi-hundreds of thousands.

In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.

Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm

but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:

The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available

So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.

As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.

[UCGal]

[quote=sdrealtor]There are hundreds of thousands committing welfare fraud so collectively it is an issue of the same magnitude.[/quote]

I’m also a bit taken aback by this statement… so I used the google.

I would agree that there are 10’s of thousands committing welfare fraud but I doubt it’s in the multi-hundreds of thousands.

In 2005, the government gave temporary assistance to approximately 2,000,000 needy people. In comparison, more than twice as many people (nearly 5,000,000) were granted welfare in 1995.

Source: Office of Family Assistance, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

http://www.govspot.com/know/welfare.htm

but… the numbers have gone up as our economy has crashed… some states (including california) have seen a 10% increase, other states have seen a decline (texas).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562449457235503.html
According to this WSJ article – the states with the highest increase in unemployment were the states that had the bigger increases in welfare.
But that article also stated:

The number of families on welfare had been falling steadily and, nine months into the recession, stood at 1.6 million in September 2008, the most recent date for which national tallies are available

So – with less than 2 million on welfare – many of them children – since you have to have a kid to qualify… Lets be generous and say it’s half parents/half kids… So 1 million adults claiming welfare. (I assume you’re not accusing minors for fraud their parents might commit). Even if a very high percentage – like 10% – commit fraud – it’s a total of 100k.

As mentioned – the Welfare Reform act passed in 1995 and enacted in 1996 reduced the numbers dramatically.

[sdrealtor]

Brian
Curious as to whether you a referencing CA or the entire country. I cant imagine welfare fraud isnt still rampant across the country in various shapes and forms.

I dont care to compare welfare fraud with financial fraud. It’s all fraud involving huge sums of money. Its like being almost pregant. You are or you arent. Seems pretty b&w to me.

[sdrealtor]

Brian
Curious as to whether you a referencing CA or the entire country. I cant imagine welfare fraud isnt still rampant across the country in various shapes and forms.

I dont care to compare welfare fraud with financial fraud. It’s all fraud involving huge sums of money. Its like being almost pregant. You are or you arent. Seems pretty b&w to me.

[sdrealtor]

Brian
Curious as to whether you a referencing CA or the entire country. I cant imagine welfare fraud isnt still rampant across the country in various shapes and forms.

I dont care to compare welfare fraud with financial fraud. It’s all fraud involving huge sums of money. Its like being almost pregant. You are or you arent. Seems pretty b&w to me.

[sdrealtor]

Brian
Curious as to whether you a referencing CA or the entire country. I cant imagine welfare fraud isnt still rampant across the country in various shapes and forms.

I dont care to compare welfare fraud with financial fraud. It’s all fraud involving huge sums of money. Its like being almost pregant. You are or you arent. Seems pretty b&w to me.

[sdrealtor]

Brian
Curious as to whether you a referencing CA or the entire country. I cant imagine welfare fraud isnt still rampant across the country in various shapes and forms.

I dont care to compare welfare fraud with financial fraud. It’s all fraud involving huge sums of money. Its like being almost pregant. You are or you arent. Seems pretty b&w to me.

[sdrealtor]

UCG
I dont know the exact numbers and was just extrapolating from my experience. In my mind I guess I am looking at a wider definition of welfare. Its not just welfare fraud among folks receiving welfare payments. There is food stamp fraud, medicaid fraud, unemployment fraud and lots more that dont come to mind which I put under the same large umbrella of exploiting public assistance programs. Whatever anyone chooses to call it, its a big problem just like the crooks in the big financial institutions are a big problem.

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UCG
I dont know the exact numbers and was just extrapolating from my experience. In my mind I guess I am looking at a wider definition of welfare. Its not just welfare fraud among folks receiving welfare payments. There is food stamp fraud, medicaid fraud, unemployment fraud and lots more that dont come to mind which I put under the same large umbrella of exploiting public assistance programs. Whatever anyone chooses to call it, its a big problem just like the crooks in the big financial institutions are a big problem.

[sdrealtor]

UCG
I dont know the exact numbers and was just extrapolating from my experience. In my mind I guess I am looking at a wider definition of welfare. Its not just welfare fraud among folks receiving welfare payments. There is food stamp fraud, medicaid fraud, unemployment fraud and lots more that dont come to mind which I put under the same large umbrella of exploiting public assistance programs. Whatever anyone chooses to call it, its a big problem just like the crooks in the big financial institutions are a big problem.

[sdrealtor]

UCG
I dont know the exact numbers and was just extrapolating from my experience. In my mind I guess I am looking at a wider definition of welfare. Its not just welfare fraud among folks receiving welfare payments. There is food stamp fraud, medicaid fraud, unemployment fraud and lots more that dont come to mind which I put under the same large umbrella of exploiting public assistance programs. Whatever anyone chooses to call it, its a big problem just like the crooks in the big financial institutions are a big problem.

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