huge topic:Americans keep getting fatter

[ocrenter]

of course we can all do our best to limit consumption.

but that’s also like telling buyers during the peak of the bubble not to buy. of course it was personal responsibility ultimately, but how many exercised personal responsibility and how many actually thought it through and resisted the urge to buy?

same thing here, of course ultimately it boils down to personal responsibility. but how many are listening about the need to fight and resist the cheap food?

What is scary here we have the additional element of chemical dependency. The cheap food and high calorie does create a cheap HIGH followed by emotional LOW. This is the perfect set up for addiction pattern. So if someone learns this pattern at childhood, you are looking at an addictive pattern that will be extremely hard to correct. even if that person knows full well of the need to make changes.

The pattern of obesity and food addiction is very similar compared to other addictions. Just like addicts moving in and out of rehabs, most people with weight issues move in and out of diets. And the only explaination here is the food is now a lot more potent at activating the pleasure pathway and it is also a whole lot cheaper. Like I said before, cocaine was much less of an issue before some guy figured out how to make it into cheap crack.

As to your price comparison to before, there were no remotes in the 70’s, so I’ll assume 25 cent fries were 70’s prices as well. Adjusted for inflation you are looking at $1.5 which is pricier compared to today. Plus the amount of fries per serving has increased dramatically as well. Remember, child size hamburger of today was the regular sized hamburger of yesteryears.

I understand what you are trying to say about children being less active and how folks are glued to the TV. Fitness and an active lifestyle is extremely important. But again, while there are a lot of other important issues that promote the obesity crisis, the number one issue that dramatically altered the landscape is still the change in food.

[briansd1]

ocrenter makes a great point about food and addiction.

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.

I think that education is part of the solution. But the problem with education is that there is a lot of contradictory information and people are totally confused.

Another thing that people don’t get is that you can be thin but fat at the same time. For example, an otherwise thin person with a round belly and high body fat is going on obese.

I believe that there’s been a culture shift also. If you read the novels of the past, or watch old movies, sad and depressed characters would always lose appetite.

Now, culture tells us that when we are sad, we should gorge ourselves with junk.

[briansd1]

ocrenter makes a great point about food and addiction.

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.

I think that education is part of the solution. But the problem with education is that there is a lot of contradictory information and people are totally confused.

Another thing that people don’t get is that you can be thin but fat at the same time. For example, an otherwise thin person with a round belly and high body fat is going on obese.

I believe that there’s been a culture shift also. If you read the novels of the past, or watch old movies, sad and depressed characters would always lose appetite.

Now, culture tells us that when we are sad, we should gorge ourselves with junk.

[briansd1]

ocrenter makes a great point about food and addiction.

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.

I think that education is part of the solution. But the problem with education is that there is a lot of contradictory information and people are totally confused.

Another thing that people don’t get is that you can be thin but fat at the same time. For example, an otherwise thin person with a round belly and high body fat is going on obese.

I believe that there’s been a culture shift also. If you read the novels of the past, or watch old movies, sad and depressed characters would always lose appetite.

Now, culture tells us that when we are sad, we should gorge ourselves with junk.

[briansd1]

ocrenter makes a great point about food and addiction.

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.

I think that education is part of the solution. But the problem with education is that there is a lot of contradictory information and people are totally confused.

Another thing that people don’t get is that you can be thin but fat at the same time. For example, an otherwise thin person with a round belly and high body fat is going on obese.

I believe that there’s been a culture shift also. If you read the novels of the past, or watch old movies, sad and depressed characters would always lose appetite.

Now, culture tells us that when we are sad, we should gorge ourselves with junk.

[briansd1]

ocrenter makes a great point about food and addiction.

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.

I think that education is part of the solution. But the problem with education is that there is a lot of contradictory information and people are totally confused.

Another thing that people don’t get is that you can be thin but fat at the same time. For example, an otherwise thin person with a round belly and high body fat is going on obese.

I believe that there’s been a culture shift also. If you read the novels of the past, or watch old movies, sad and depressed characters would always lose appetite.

Now, culture tells us that when we are sad, we should gorge ourselves with junk.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[ocrenter]

[quote=briansd1]

But I would hate for food to be more expensive and take up a larger portion of people’s incomes. That would be a step in the wrong direction.

Still, the government needs to step in and and regulate consumer goods for our overall benefit. There’s a lot of false marketing and brand differentiation out there but the chemical ingredients are the same.
[/quote]

Rise in food cost is a necessity. simply because there are current government interferance in place that artificially suppress food cost. we need to remove them as they are not necessary and quite frankly we can’t afford them. This is $35 billion we can save annually.

The marketing to children need to be heavily regulated. We now have very good understanding of the chemical dependency feedback loop of sugar. Therefore, marketing campaign of food to children need to be regulated just like alcohol and tobacco ads are regulated.

The calorie info regulation need to be expanded. We can’t have the restaurants simply print out calorie info and then hide it under the condiments. I say regulation that forces calorie info to appear directly next to the price. (ie Big Mac combo, $4.99, 1250 calorie) Or best yet, when restaurants advertise, they need to have the calorie next to it too. (ie Domino Pizza, when advertising their deep dish pizza for $9.99, need to show it packs in 2600 calorie).

Food packaging and terminology is another hot button issue. Use of whole wheat and organic and low fat or low calorie are simply completely random and way too liberal to the point that none of it prove to be helpful.

lastly, consider processing tax. So as whole wheat is processed into white flour, there is enough taxes to make the white flour more expensive than the non-refined flour alternative.

just some thoughts. maybe very nanny state to some people, but a lot of it is really just more and better info.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter]…As to your price comparison to before, there were no remotes in the 70’s, so I’ll assume 25 cent fries were 70’s prices as well. Adjusted for inflation you are looking at $1.5 which is pricier compared to today. Plus the amount of fries per serving has increased dramatically as well. Remember, child size hamburger of today was the regular sized hamburger of yesteryears…[/quote]

Change the “70’s” to the “60’s.” But agree that there were no remote-controls during most of the “70’s” either. Yes, there was only one-size of fries, which came in a small paper bag. Yes, you are correct in that the “Happy Meal hamburger” of today was the “Reg. adult hamburger” of yesteryear, often on special 5 for $1. The BK “Whopper” and McD “Big Mac” became available in the early 70’s. In the 60’s, there was Hamb, Chsburg, dbl chsburg (2 reg hamb) and Fish Sand. When “Jack” came on board, it introduced the “Chicken Sand,” lol.

Purely anecdotal from memory, the min wage (per hr) was approx:

1968: 1.60
1970: 1.80
1972: 2.00
1974: 2.10
1976: 2.30
1978: 2.40

ocrenter, I understand that “calories” are mainly in the fine print on chain-restaurant menus today but I feel that even if this info was on the front of menus in LARGE PRINT, it wouldn’t matter. Consumers will just order what they’re used to having and what makes them and their party “feel good.”

I don’t think “nanny state” regulations mandating disclaimers and disclosures to consumers on restaurant menus will do anything to combat obesity of its customers.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter]…As to your price comparison to before, there were no remotes in the 70’s, so I’ll assume 25 cent fries were 70’s prices as well. Adjusted for inflation you are looking at $1.5 which is pricier compared to today. Plus the amount of fries per serving has increased dramatically as well. Remember, child size hamburger of today was the regular sized hamburger of yesteryears…[/quote]

Change the “70’s” to the “60’s.” But agree that there were no remote-controls during most of the “70’s” either. Yes, there was only one-size of fries, which came in a small paper bag. Yes, you are correct in that the “Happy Meal hamburger” of today was the “Reg. adult hamburger” of yesteryear, often on special 5 for $1. The BK “Whopper” and McD “Big Mac” became available in the early 70’s. In the 60’s, there was Hamb, Chsburg, dbl chsburg (2 reg hamb) and Fish Sand. When “Jack” came on board, it introduced the “Chicken Sand,” lol.

Purely anecdotal from memory, the min wage (per hr) was approx:

1968: 1.60
1970: 1.80
1972: 2.00
1974: 2.10
1976: 2.30
1978: 2.40

ocrenter, I understand that “calories” are mainly in the fine print on chain-restaurant menus today but I feel that even if this info was on the front of menus in LARGE PRINT, it wouldn’t matter. Consumers will just order what they’re used to having and what makes them and their party “feel good.”

I don’t think “nanny state” regulations mandating disclaimers and disclosures to consumers on restaurant menus will do anything to combat obesity of its customers.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter]…As to your price comparison to before, there were no remotes in the 70’s, so I’ll assume 25 cent fries were 70’s prices as well. Adjusted for inflation you are looking at $1.5 which is pricier compared to today. Plus the amount of fries per serving has increased dramatically as well. Remember, child size hamburger of today was the regular sized hamburger of yesteryears…[/quote]

Change the “70’s” to the “60’s.” But agree that there were no remote-controls during most of the “70’s” either. Yes, there was only one-size of fries, which came in a small paper bag. Yes, you are correct in that the “Happy Meal hamburger” of today was the “Reg. adult hamburger” of yesteryear, often on special 5 for $1. The BK “Whopper” and McD “Big Mac” became available in the early 70’s. In the 60’s, there was Hamb, Chsburg, dbl chsburg (2 reg hamb) and Fish Sand. When “Jack” came on board, it introduced the “Chicken Sand,” lol.

Purely anecdotal from memory, the min wage (per hr) was approx:

1968: 1.60
1970: 1.80
1972: 2.00
1974: 2.10
1976: 2.30
1978: 2.40

ocrenter, I understand that “calories” are mainly in the fine print on chain-restaurant menus today but I feel that even if this info was on the front of menus in LARGE PRINT, it wouldn’t matter. Consumers will just order what they’re used to having and what makes them and their party “feel good.”

I don’t think “nanny state” regulations mandating disclaimers and disclosures to consumers on restaurant menus will do anything to combat obesity of its customers.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter]…As to your price comparison to before, there were no remotes in the 70’s, so I’ll assume 25 cent fries were 70’s prices as well. Adjusted for inflation you are looking at $1.5 which is pricier compared to today. Plus the amount of fries per serving has increased dramatically as well. Remember, child size hamburger of today was the regular sized hamburger of yesteryears…[/quote]

Change the “70’s” to the “60’s.” But agree that there were no remote-controls during most of the “70’s” either. Yes, there was only one-size of fries, which came in a small paper bag. Yes, you are correct in that the “Happy Meal hamburger” of today was the “Reg. adult hamburger” of yesteryear, often on special 5 for $1. The BK “Whopper” and McD “Big Mac” became available in the early 70’s. In the 60’s, there was Hamb, Chsburg, dbl chsburg (2 reg hamb) and Fish Sand. When “Jack” came on board, it introduced the “Chicken Sand,” lol.

Purely anecdotal from memory, the min wage (per hr) was approx:

1968: 1.60
1970: 1.80
1972: 2.00
1974: 2.10
1976: 2.30
1978: 2.40

ocrenter, I understand that “calories” are mainly in the fine print on chain-restaurant menus today but I feel that even if this info was on the front of menus in LARGE PRINT, it wouldn’t matter. Consumers will just order what they’re used to having and what makes them and their party “feel good.”

I don’t think “nanny state” regulations mandating disclaimers and disclosures to consumers on restaurant menus will do anything to combat obesity of its customers.

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