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November 12, 2009 at 5:54 PM #482666November 12, 2009 at 6:06 PM #481864UCGalParticipant
[quote=urbanrealtor]Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.
Also, Allan is my secret lover.
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I just had cranberry juice snorted out my nose reading that and laughing. Ouch.November 12, 2009 at 6:06 PM #482031UCGalParticipant[quote=urbanrealtor]Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.
Also, Allan is my secret lover.
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I just had cranberry juice snorted out my nose reading that and laughing. Ouch.November 12, 2009 at 6:06 PM #482398UCGalParticipant[quote=urbanrealtor]Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.
Also, Allan is my secret lover.
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I just had cranberry juice snorted out my nose reading that and laughing. Ouch.November 12, 2009 at 6:06 PM #482478UCGalParticipant[quote=urbanrealtor]Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.
Also, Allan is my secret lover.
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I just had cranberry juice snorted out my nose reading that and laughing. Ouch.November 12, 2009 at 6:06 PM #482705UCGalParticipant[quote=urbanrealtor]Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.
Also, Allan is my secret lover.
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I just had cranberry juice snorted out my nose reading that and laughing. Ouch.November 12, 2009 at 6:09 PM #481869EugeneParticipant[quote=jficquette]If we were to privatize Education your sister who apparently takes her job seriously would get paid much more whereas the inferior teachers who make up the majority would be sent packing.
A good teacher is worth $100k a year but the majority of teachers now are worth maybe $40k at best.
[/quote]There’s one problem. Even the most expensive private schools in San Diego don’t pay 100k/year to their teachers. There are financial constraints: schools are limited by the amount of money they get. If you want to up the average pay to 100k without increasing spending, you’ll have to increase average class sizes to 50 students.
Many private school teachers get 40k all the same, even if their schools live on 2-3x the budget of public schools.
http://www.jobs-salary.com/m-s-drama-and-dance-teacher-job-salaries.htm
Instead of raising salaries, private schools hire more teachers to keep classes small, buy expensive classroom equipment, sponsor field trips, etc.
November 12, 2009 at 6:09 PM #482036EugeneParticipant[quote=jficquette]If we were to privatize Education your sister who apparently takes her job seriously would get paid much more whereas the inferior teachers who make up the majority would be sent packing.
A good teacher is worth $100k a year but the majority of teachers now are worth maybe $40k at best.
[/quote]There’s one problem. Even the most expensive private schools in San Diego don’t pay 100k/year to their teachers. There are financial constraints: schools are limited by the amount of money they get. If you want to up the average pay to 100k without increasing spending, you’ll have to increase average class sizes to 50 students.
Many private school teachers get 40k all the same, even if their schools live on 2-3x the budget of public schools.
http://www.jobs-salary.com/m-s-drama-and-dance-teacher-job-salaries.htm
Instead of raising salaries, private schools hire more teachers to keep classes small, buy expensive classroom equipment, sponsor field trips, etc.
November 12, 2009 at 6:09 PM #482403EugeneParticipant[quote=jficquette]If we were to privatize Education your sister who apparently takes her job seriously would get paid much more whereas the inferior teachers who make up the majority would be sent packing.
A good teacher is worth $100k a year but the majority of teachers now are worth maybe $40k at best.
[/quote]There’s one problem. Even the most expensive private schools in San Diego don’t pay 100k/year to their teachers. There are financial constraints: schools are limited by the amount of money they get. If you want to up the average pay to 100k without increasing spending, you’ll have to increase average class sizes to 50 students.
Many private school teachers get 40k all the same, even if their schools live on 2-3x the budget of public schools.
http://www.jobs-salary.com/m-s-drama-and-dance-teacher-job-salaries.htm
Instead of raising salaries, private schools hire more teachers to keep classes small, buy expensive classroom equipment, sponsor field trips, etc.
November 12, 2009 at 6:09 PM #482482EugeneParticipant[quote=jficquette]If we were to privatize Education your sister who apparently takes her job seriously would get paid much more whereas the inferior teachers who make up the majority would be sent packing.
A good teacher is worth $100k a year but the majority of teachers now are worth maybe $40k at best.
[/quote]There’s one problem. Even the most expensive private schools in San Diego don’t pay 100k/year to their teachers. There are financial constraints: schools are limited by the amount of money they get. If you want to up the average pay to 100k without increasing spending, you’ll have to increase average class sizes to 50 students.
Many private school teachers get 40k all the same, even if their schools live on 2-3x the budget of public schools.
http://www.jobs-salary.com/m-s-drama-and-dance-teacher-job-salaries.htm
Instead of raising salaries, private schools hire more teachers to keep classes small, buy expensive classroom equipment, sponsor field trips, etc.
November 12, 2009 at 6:09 PM #482710EugeneParticipant[quote=jficquette]If we were to privatize Education your sister who apparently takes her job seriously would get paid much more whereas the inferior teachers who make up the majority would be sent packing.
A good teacher is worth $100k a year but the majority of teachers now are worth maybe $40k at best.
[/quote]There’s one problem. Even the most expensive private schools in San Diego don’t pay 100k/year to their teachers. There are financial constraints: schools are limited by the amount of money they get. If you want to up the average pay to 100k without increasing spending, you’ll have to increase average class sizes to 50 students.
Many private school teachers get 40k all the same, even if their schools live on 2-3x the budget of public schools.
http://www.jobs-salary.com/m-s-drama-and-dance-teacher-job-salaries.htm
Instead of raising salaries, private schools hire more teachers to keep classes small, buy expensive classroom equipment, sponsor field trips, etc.
November 12, 2009 at 7:34 PM #481959jficquetteParticipant[quote=UCGal]A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.
(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.
I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.[/quote]
You have to factor in their retirement. Any teacher 40 and younger will probably live bar accidents to 120 because in 30 years they won’t be any heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.
My guess is you would probably have to double or triple their salary to compensate for 30-50 years of pay after retirement.
Its not fair that the taxpayer fund these juicy retirement deals for so called underpaid public servants when non government workers get shafted on their retirement.
Privatize education, don’t fund these crazy retirement plans and pay the good teachers who make the grade what they deserve.
John
November 12, 2009 at 7:34 PM #482126jficquetteParticipant[quote=UCGal]A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.
(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.
I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.[/quote]
You have to factor in their retirement. Any teacher 40 and younger will probably live bar accidents to 120 because in 30 years they won’t be any heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.
My guess is you would probably have to double or triple their salary to compensate for 30-50 years of pay after retirement.
Its not fair that the taxpayer fund these juicy retirement deals for so called underpaid public servants when non government workers get shafted on their retirement.
Privatize education, don’t fund these crazy retirement plans and pay the good teachers who make the grade what they deserve.
John
November 12, 2009 at 7:34 PM #482494jficquetteParticipant[quote=UCGal]A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.
(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.
I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.[/quote]
You have to factor in their retirement. Any teacher 40 and younger will probably live bar accidents to 120 because in 30 years they won’t be any heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.
My guess is you would probably have to double or triple their salary to compensate for 30-50 years of pay after retirement.
Its not fair that the taxpayer fund these juicy retirement deals for so called underpaid public servants when non government workers get shafted on their retirement.
Privatize education, don’t fund these crazy retirement plans and pay the good teachers who make the grade what they deserve.
John
November 12, 2009 at 7:34 PM #482575jficquetteParticipant[quote=UCGal]A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.
(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.
I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.[/quote]
You have to factor in their retirement. Any teacher 40 and younger will probably live bar accidents to 120 because in 30 years they won’t be any heart disease, cancer, or diabetes.
My guess is you would probably have to double or triple their salary to compensate for 30-50 years of pay after retirement.
Its not fair that the taxpayer fund these juicy retirement deals for so called underpaid public servants when non government workers get shafted on their retirement.
Privatize education, don’t fund these crazy retirement plans and pay the good teachers who make the grade what they deserve.
John
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