HS teacher-$70K for 9 months of work

[an]

[quote=jficquette]If we were to privatize Education your sister who apparently takes her job seriously would get paid much more whereas the inferior teachers who make up the majority would be sent packing.

A good teacher is worth $100k a year but the majority of teachers now are worth maybe $40k at best.

John[/quote]
I totally agree with this. A great teacher are worth much more than $100k, while some shouldn’t be teaching at all. Too bad that scenario will never happen in the current system.

[KSMountain]

[quote=kev374]Considering Software Engineers with 10 years experience are being offered $70k salaries these days I think paying that to a high school teachers is ludicrous, it should be more like $30k considering it is only for 9 months of work.[/quote]
Wow, I disagree with every aspect of that statement.
I have never offered (or seen) under $90k for a sfwr eng with 10-years experience.
I by no means think that $70k for someone who is impacting *so many* lives at a crucial point in their development is “ludicrous”.
$30k – are you kidding? Just what caliber of folks do you think you’ll retain with that kind of money?

[KSMountain]

[quote=kev374]Considering Software Engineers with 10 years experience are being offered $70k salaries these days I think paying that to a high school teachers is ludicrous, it should be more like $30k considering it is only for 9 months of work.[/quote]
Wow, I disagree with every aspect of that statement.
I have never offered (or seen) under $90k for a sfwr eng with 10-years experience.
I by no means think that $70k for someone who is impacting *so many* lives at a crucial point in their development is “ludicrous”.
$30k – are you kidding? Just what caliber of folks do you think you’ll retain with that kind of money?

[KSMountain]

[quote=kev374]Considering Software Engineers with 10 years experience are being offered $70k salaries these days I think paying that to a high school teachers is ludicrous, it should be more like $30k considering it is only for 9 months of work.[/quote]
Wow, I disagree with every aspect of that statement.
I have never offered (or seen) under $90k for a sfwr eng with 10-years experience.
I by no means think that $70k for someone who is impacting *so many* lives at a crucial point in their development is “ludicrous”.
$30k – are you kidding? Just what caliber of folks do you think you’ll retain with that kind of money?

[KSMountain]

[quote=kev374]Considering Software Engineers with 10 years experience are being offered $70k salaries these days I think paying that to a high school teachers is ludicrous, it should be more like $30k considering it is only for 9 months of work.[/quote]
Wow, I disagree with every aspect of that statement.
I have never offered (or seen) under $90k for a sfwr eng with 10-years experience.
I by no means think that $70k for someone who is impacting *so many* lives at a crucial point in their development is “ludicrous”.
$30k – are you kidding? Just what caliber of folks do you think you’ll retain with that kind of money?

[KSMountain]

[quote=kev374]Considering Software Engineers with 10 years experience are being offered $70k salaries these days I think paying that to a high school teachers is ludicrous, it should be more like $30k considering it is only for 9 months of work.[/quote]
Wow, I disagree with every aspect of that statement.
I have never offered (or seen) under $90k for a sfwr eng with 10-years experience.
I by no means think that $70k for someone who is impacting *so many* lives at a crucial point in their development is “ludicrous”.
$30k – are you kidding? Just what caliber of folks do you think you’ll retain with that kind of money?

[urbanrealtor]

Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.

Also, Allan is my secret lover.

I am arguably a troll and you are correct that I am married to a teacher (I actually think I have said that before).

I stand by what I said.

You said:
[quote=CDMA ENG]
————————————————-
Sorry man… But only 50 percent of all people that enter an engineering program make it out… I dare say the drop out ratio for teaching isn’t the same and if it is its due to lack of commitment and not subject matter.
[/quote]
Translation:
50% of engineers don’t hack it and drop out.
Its because engineering is so hard.
Teachers likely drop out less.
But even if its the same amount its because they are uncommitted.
Thats because teaching is not hard enough to cause people to drop.
Only engineering is that hard.

My response:
That is a pretty silly argument.
It basically says that
-getting frustrated and quitting engineering is due to it being such a tough field.
-getting frustrated and quitting teaching is due to personal character failures.

[quote=CDMA ENG]
You cant sit there and tell me one is just as difficult academically (which I probably just misspelled) as the other. Plus… Many engineers study there subject matter constantly… They are in “training” everyday… I read and re-read all the time. I don’t have to have formalized training the training comes from working with very unique problems everyday.
[/quote]
Translation:
Engineering is much harder than teaching.
Engineers have to keep up their skill sets and renew their knowledge base.
Engineers have to apply their skills in different ways every day.

My response:
I think that the last 2 statements apply to teachers as well.
I defy anyone to prove otherwise.
This is a false dichotomy.

With regard to denying that the act of teaching is “academic”:
If we actually take teaching (which is by definition a social enterprise) seriously as a course of study, then yes, I believe that the social interface part is valid in being considered an academic study.
It is true that teachers do not need the same course of study as an engineer. If they did then they would be engineers.

And yeah I acknowledge your condescending faux-appreciation of teachers.

Just kind of makes you a hypocrite.

Go play in traffic yourself.

Hope ya get hit.

[urbanrealtor]

Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.

Also, Allan is my secret lover.

I am arguably a troll and you are correct that I am married to a teacher (I actually think I have said that before).

I stand by what I said.

You said:
[quote=CDMA ENG]
————————————————-
Sorry man… But only 50 percent of all people that enter an engineering program make it out… I dare say the drop out ratio for teaching isn’t the same and if it is its due to lack of commitment and not subject matter.
[/quote]
Translation:
50% of engineers don’t hack it and drop out.
Its because engineering is so hard.
Teachers likely drop out less.
But even if its the same amount its because they are uncommitted.
Thats because teaching is not hard enough to cause people to drop.
Only engineering is that hard.

My response:
That is a pretty silly argument.
It basically says that
-getting frustrated and quitting engineering is due to it being such a tough field.
-getting frustrated and quitting teaching is due to personal character failures.

[quote=CDMA ENG]
You cant sit there and tell me one is just as difficult academically (which I probably just misspelled) as the other. Plus… Many engineers study there subject matter constantly… They are in “training” everyday… I read and re-read all the time. I don’t have to have formalized training the training comes from working with very unique problems everyday.
[/quote]
Translation:
Engineering is much harder than teaching.
Engineers have to keep up their skill sets and renew their knowledge base.
Engineers have to apply their skills in different ways every day.

My response:
I think that the last 2 statements apply to teachers as well.
I defy anyone to prove otherwise.
This is a false dichotomy.

With regard to denying that the act of teaching is “academic”:
If we actually take teaching (which is by definition a social enterprise) seriously as a course of study, then yes, I believe that the social interface part is valid in being considered an academic study.
It is true that teachers do not need the same course of study as an engineer. If they did then they would be engineers.

And yeah I acknowledge your condescending faux-appreciation of teachers.

Just kind of makes you a hypocrite.

Go play in traffic yourself.

Hope ya get hit.

[urbanrealtor]

Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.

Also, Allan is my secret lover.

I am arguably a troll and you are correct that I am married to a teacher (I actually think I have said that before).

I stand by what I said.

You said:
[quote=CDMA ENG]
————————————————-
Sorry man… But only 50 percent of all people that enter an engineering program make it out… I dare say the drop out ratio for teaching isn’t the same and if it is its due to lack of commitment and not subject matter.
[/quote]
Translation:
50% of engineers don’t hack it and drop out.
Its because engineering is so hard.
Teachers likely drop out less.
But even if its the same amount its because they are uncommitted.
Thats because teaching is not hard enough to cause people to drop.
Only engineering is that hard.

My response:
That is a pretty silly argument.
It basically says that
-getting frustrated and quitting engineering is due to it being such a tough field.
-getting frustrated and quitting teaching is due to personal character failures.

[quote=CDMA ENG]
You cant sit there and tell me one is just as difficult academically (which I probably just misspelled) as the other. Plus… Many engineers study there subject matter constantly… They are in “training” everyday… I read and re-read all the time. I don’t have to have formalized training the training comes from working with very unique problems everyday.
[/quote]
Translation:
Engineering is much harder than teaching.
Engineers have to keep up their skill sets and renew their knowledge base.
Engineers have to apply their skills in different ways every day.

My response:
I think that the last 2 statements apply to teachers as well.
I defy anyone to prove otherwise.
This is a false dichotomy.

With regard to denying that the act of teaching is “academic”:
If we actually take teaching (which is by definition a social enterprise) seriously as a course of study, then yes, I believe that the social interface part is valid in being considered an academic study.
It is true that teachers do not need the same course of study as an engineer. If they did then they would be engineers.

And yeah I acknowledge your condescending faux-appreciation of teachers.

Just kind of makes you a hypocrite.

Go play in traffic yourself.

Hope ya get hit.

[urbanrealtor]

Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.

Also, Allan is my secret lover.

I am arguably a troll and you are correct that I am married to a teacher (I actually think I have said that before).

I stand by what I said.

You said:
[quote=CDMA ENG]
————————————————-
Sorry man… But only 50 percent of all people that enter an engineering program make it out… I dare say the drop out ratio for teaching isn’t the same and if it is its due to lack of commitment and not subject matter.
[/quote]
Translation:
50% of engineers don’t hack it and drop out.
Its because engineering is so hard.
Teachers likely drop out less.
But even if its the same amount its because they are uncommitted.
Thats because teaching is not hard enough to cause people to drop.
Only engineering is that hard.

My response:
That is a pretty silly argument.
It basically says that
-getting frustrated and quitting engineering is due to it being such a tough field.
-getting frustrated and quitting teaching is due to personal character failures.

[quote=CDMA ENG]
You cant sit there and tell me one is just as difficult academically (which I probably just misspelled) as the other. Plus… Many engineers study there subject matter constantly… They are in “training” everyday… I read and re-read all the time. I don’t have to have formalized training the training comes from working with very unique problems everyday.
[/quote]
Translation:
Engineering is much harder than teaching.
Engineers have to keep up their skill sets and renew their knowledge base.
Engineers have to apply their skills in different ways every day.

My response:
I think that the last 2 statements apply to teachers as well.
I defy anyone to prove otherwise.
This is a false dichotomy.

With regard to denying that the act of teaching is “academic”:
If we actually take teaching (which is by definition a social enterprise) seriously as a course of study, then yes, I believe that the social interface part is valid in being considered an academic study.
It is true that teachers do not need the same course of study as an engineer. If they did then they would be engineers.

And yeah I acknowledge your condescending faux-appreciation of teachers.

Just kind of makes you a hypocrite.

Go play in traffic yourself.

Hope ya get hit.

[urbanrealtor]

Yeah Poway Seller is my sister and Marion is my wife.

Also, Allan is my secret lover.

I am arguably a troll and you are correct that I am married to a teacher (I actually think I have said that before).

I stand by what I said.

You said:
[quote=CDMA ENG]
————————————————-
Sorry man… But only 50 percent of all people that enter an engineering program make it out… I dare say the drop out ratio for teaching isn’t the same and if it is its due to lack of commitment and not subject matter.
[/quote]
Translation:
50% of engineers don’t hack it and drop out.
Its because engineering is so hard.
Teachers likely drop out less.
But even if its the same amount its because they are uncommitted.
Thats because teaching is not hard enough to cause people to drop.
Only engineering is that hard.

My response:
That is a pretty silly argument.
It basically says that
-getting frustrated and quitting engineering is due to it being such a tough field.
-getting frustrated and quitting teaching is due to personal character failures.

[quote=CDMA ENG]
You cant sit there and tell me one is just as difficult academically (which I probably just misspelled) as the other. Plus… Many engineers study there subject matter constantly… They are in “training” everyday… I read and re-read all the time. I don’t have to have formalized training the training comes from working with very unique problems everyday.
[/quote]
Translation:
Engineering is much harder than teaching.
Engineers have to keep up their skill sets and renew their knowledge base.
Engineers have to apply their skills in different ways every day.

My response:
I think that the last 2 statements apply to teachers as well.
I defy anyone to prove otherwise.
This is a false dichotomy.

With regard to denying that the act of teaching is “academic”:
If we actually take teaching (which is by definition a social enterprise) seriously as a course of study, then yes, I believe that the social interface part is valid in being considered an academic study.
It is true that teachers do not need the same course of study as an engineer. If they did then they would be engineers.

And yeah I acknowledge your condescending faux-appreciation of teachers.

Just kind of makes you a hypocrite.

Go play in traffic yourself.

Hope ya get hit.

[CDMA ENG]

Big sloppy kiss to you princess!

And this is the end of the conversation… Because you twist everything I have said or name called or told me “how I really felt” about something.

I don’t feel the need to be PC about. What I do was compared and attacked first. I did not attack teachers. Engineering was attacked first. By your own admission. Don’t compare the two.

Your insecurities are your own to bear.

The last word is all yours.

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Big sloppy kiss to you princess!

And this is the end of the conversation… Because you twist everything I have said or name called or told me “how I really felt” about something.

I don’t feel the need to be PC about. What I do was compared and attacked first. I did not attack teachers. Engineering was attacked first. By your own admission. Don’t compare the two.

Your insecurities are your own to bear.

The last word is all yours.

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Big sloppy kiss to you princess!

And this is the end of the conversation… Because you twist everything I have said or name called or told me “how I really felt” about something.

I don’t feel the need to be PC about. What I do was compared and attacked first. I did not attack teachers. Engineering was attacked first. By your own admission. Don’t compare the two.

Your insecurities are your own to bear.

The last word is all yours.

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Big sloppy kiss to you princess!

And this is the end of the conversation… Because you twist everything I have said or name called or told me “how I really felt” about something.

I don’t feel the need to be PC about. What I do was compared and attacked first. I did not attack teachers. Engineering was attacked first. By your own admission. Don’t compare the two.

Your insecurities are your own to bear.

The last word is all yours.

CE

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