HS teacher-$70K for 9 months of work

[dbapig]

[quote=CONCHO]You people crack me up. Arguing about whether someone deserves to make $100K or $70K a year or whatever. Meanwhile the hedge fund managers and Goldman Sachs goons are raking in millions a year by gutting your country and stealing your tax money. Nary a peep about whether they’re overpaid, let’s instead focus on a principal making $150K or a teacher making $70K or whatever.

This country is doomed! Back to sleep, everyone…[/quote]

People on this thread are arguing about teachers’ pay because, well, the thread is about teachers’ pay.

I’m sure people would rant about the excessive profit the fund managers are making in a relevant thread. And yes the country is doomed because we don’t care as much about the education for our kids as we should.

[jimmyle]

PChem is 3 times harder than OChem. I got an A in OChem and a C in Pchem and I was really happy. One of my friend got 16/100 for her final exam and she failed.

[jimmyle]

PChem is 3 times harder than OChem. I got an A in OChem and a C in Pchem and I was really happy. One of my friend got 16/100 for her final exam and she failed.

[jimmyle]

PChem is 3 times harder than OChem. I got an A in OChem and a C in Pchem and I was really happy. One of my friend got 16/100 for her final exam and she failed.

[jimmyle]

PChem is 3 times harder than OChem. I got an A in OChem and a C in Pchem and I was really happy. One of my friend got 16/100 for her final exam and she failed.

[jimmyle]

PChem is 3 times harder than OChem. I got an A in OChem and a C in Pchem and I was really happy. One of my friend got 16/100 for her final exam and she failed.

[UCGal]

A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.

[UCGal]

A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.

[UCGal]

A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.

[UCGal]

A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.

[UCGal]

A couple of points.
* Most school districts have longer school years than 9 months. San Diego unified is closer to 10 months. (Gets out mid June, teacher report back mid-August.)

* The OP talked about a high school math/physics teacher. So it’s reasonable to compare education to an engineer. And the 70k salary suggests a masters degree. San Diego Unified posts their salary grades online. It maxes out at 87.6k for a 200day contract – that’s for a teacher with a masters, plus 90 additional academic units, plus max tenure.

(Link to San Diego Unified teacher pay scale:
http://www.sandi.net/20451072011454857/lib/20451072011454857/salaryschedules/teachers.pdf
Note – teachers are on 200 day contracts – see page 9 for annual salaries.)

I’m an engineer. I’ve known well paid engineers who didn’t even have a bachelors degree – worked they’re way up from being a tech or started in some other field and ‘fell into’ software or embedded programming. Some were talented… some more talented than their coworkers who had advanced engineering degrees.

I’ve also know well paid engineers who are NOT worth the salary their paid. I think there are losers and lazy people in every field.

[sdcellar]

Bingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.

Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).

Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.

I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.

[sdcellar]

Bingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.

Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).

Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.

I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.

[sdcellar]

Bingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.

Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).

Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.

I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.

[sdcellar]

Bingo, UCGal, agree completely. I’ve always felt that it wasn’t quite fair how well engineers (software engineers, at least) are paid in comparison to other professions, including teaching specifically.

Of course, I’m also a big ol’ hypocrite because I have yet to decline a salary increase, promotion, or send any of the money a teacher’s way (at least not directly).

Agree further that there are a significant number of engineers who deserve well less than their peers based on their contribution and skill level, but as you say, I think this is pretty much the case in every field. Heck, a number of engineers aren’t particularly suited to either engineering or teaching.

I find it interesting that some justify higher levels of compensation for engineering positions based on the level of stress and deadline pressure, but in my experience, the satisfaction of making various systems and devices do what they do far outweighs that. I do suppose, however, that I might be luckier than others, as I have no doubt that there are some awful employers out there with regard to ridiculous schedule demands (or even just simply boring work). In my opinion, the last thing an engineer deserves extra compensation for is the “stress” of the position. Maybe something for being able to juggle seven or so complex concepts in their head simultaneously, but not for the stress.

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