How do I go about investigating this?

[patientrenter]

NeetaT, I think I said this to you before on another thread, but you seem unusually susceptible to scammers. I really hope you are careful. I don’t want to read one day how you lost most of your savings.

Write 100 times on the blackboard:

THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH

Safe investing to you.

[Anonymous]

I’ve been looking at this topic almost since it was originally posted.
Does anyone except me see problems with the posts?
I ask purely because whenever I read through the comments here I see a lot of sweeping generalizations and statements but little in the way of facts or evidence or even an implication of experience or knowledge or background.
My father used a proverb, “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.”
Has anyone invested with ThunderBlaze?
Has anyone personally talked with ThunderBlaze?
Does anyone who posted here know what they are talking about? Does anyone have any facts or is it all opinion?
Just because you know nothing about the investment doesn’t make it wrong, bad or not legitimate.
The NeetaT person obviously communicated and posts information that he/she got from ThunderBlaze. There are agreements and basic information about an investment. Simple documents without a lot of legaleeze. I don’t see anything tricky or not legitimate in these documents. These documents are straightforward and very simple, not legaleeze.
NeetaT seems like he/she knows as much about investing as I know about Porsche cars (which is nothing). NeetaT has his/her mind made up even before posting, as do most of the posters and comments.
I have some investing knowledge from my 30 years of being a financial advisor.
Allen says to “demand something in terms of security”. All well and good, but that is not what the investment entails. Allen wants to re-make the investment. I’ll presume that the investment is what is presented. Starfire doesn’t seem desperate for investors so I imagine that you either invest according to their terms or you don’t invest. Simple!
Allen says, “you have virtually no recourse (that I can tell)” The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Bartko is therefore personally responsible for the loan. If Bartko doesn’t pay, you can sue him and get everything that he has. There is no corporate shield. The paperwork provides that if you sue and win you get your attorney’s fees and damages. So, there is recourse. Does anyone here know what they are talking about? Read, Read, Read!!!
Alan further says ” I know quite a few specialty suppliers working for the government and none of them operate this way”. Obviously this supplier does operate this way. Not everyone is the same.
LuckyinOc found the business address and location. So the business does exist.
ucodegen says, ” You will not be able to sue Bartko because of corporate veil.” Ucodegen talks like an attorney, but he’s not! He is totally wrong. There is no corporate veil. Why doesn’t anyone read? The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Read, Read, Read!!! See where it says, “personal”. No corporate veil. Personal liability! Personal means Personal!!!
Ucodegen then goes on to talk like an expert: See 1,2,3,4,5,6 of Ucodegen’s reply. Every business is different. What one business does and finds advantageous, another finds disadvantageous. The funniest thing; ucodegen quotes the agreement, “The owner of Starfire personally guarantees the investment and signs all documents.” Then ucodegen says, “he is behind at least one LLC.. which means his real liability is 0” I repeat, READ, READ, READ!!! The documents specify that Bartko is PERSONALLY responsible! READ!!! UNDERSTAND!!! Use facts, use evidence! Everything here is personal opinion without any fact!
Ucodegen then, in his last sentence makes me understand where he is coming from, “I used to work at a defense contractor until I was laid off.” Maybe there is a reason why he was laid off? He was an employee for a contractor, and now a laid off employee.
JustLurking chimes in with his/her expert opinion. Expert at what? Again, every business operates differently and what works for one, doesn’t work for another. And neither is good or bad. Facts anyone?
Pri_dk sends an article.
ThunderBlaze responds, “When you are solely looking for the bad, you can always find it.
… it is not any of the persons in the article … Starfire is a legitimate business that utilizes investors. It is your choice to invest or not.” ThunderBlaze isn’t pushing an investment and it seems that it doesn’t even care if you invest or not.
Wshuponastr wants to see contracts. Why would any business give their contracts and business information out? Does Wshuponastr want to give out their tax returns to everyone they invest with or might invest with?
Ariffee22 wants a personal guarantee. Read, Read, Read. The owner of Starfire gives a personal guarantee!!!
CricketOnTheHearth seems to base his opinions on his nose. You buy perfume and cook based upon your nose. Investments should be purchased based on fact and information. This person says that they are employed by a Fortune 500 company. Emphasize employee. How one company purchases products isn’t necessarily how another purchases and each product purchase would also be different. It’s wonderful to generalize, but come on folks; Let’s get some actual information and facts!
Everyone here has their opinions but they act like the experts that they are not. Invest or don’t invest, but do your own research. Is the investment legitimate, no-one here knows either! No one found anything negative or bad, and that itself is very, very, very positive. Don’t you find it amusing that everyone has something negative to say, but there are no facts or specifics or evidence to back up their opinions. No-one found anything negative! But they all have negative opinions!
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it. If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate. I find it amazing that no one found any complaints or anything at all bad, but you all are knocking the investment. Just think, what if the investment is as good as presented and you’re losing the opportunity to double your money in three years. As Shakespeare says, and I paraphrase; Oh, what fools these posters be!
Your question to ask of me is: If I know so much why am I not investing in this company? I might be, but I’d never tell you and even if I did tell you, you wouldn’t believe me. Your minds are made up, why would I want to confuse you with facts?
Anyone can post and say either good or bad about the investment. No one would ever know if they had facts or information or just “noses”. Maybe, the owner of this web site should check out Starfire.
Again, it’s like asking me my expert opinion about Porsche’s. You’ll get a worthless opinion!!!
Sarah

[Anonymous]

I’ve been looking at this topic almost since it was originally posted.
Does anyone except me see problems with the posts?
I ask purely because whenever I read through the comments here I see a lot of sweeping generalizations and statements but little in the way of facts or evidence or even an implication of experience or knowledge or background.
My father used a proverb, “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.”
Has anyone invested with ThunderBlaze?
Has anyone personally talked with ThunderBlaze?
Does anyone who posted here know what they are talking about? Does anyone have any facts or is it all opinion?
Just because you know nothing about the investment doesn’t make it wrong, bad or not legitimate.
The NeetaT person obviously communicated and posts information that he/she got from ThunderBlaze. There are agreements and basic information about an investment. Simple documents without a lot of legaleeze. I don’t see anything tricky or not legitimate in these documents. These documents are straightforward and very simple, not legaleeze.
NeetaT seems like he/she knows as much about investing as I know about Porsche cars (which is nothing). NeetaT has his/her mind made up even before posting, as do most of the posters and comments.
I have some investing knowledge from my 30 years of being a financial advisor.
Allen says to “demand something in terms of security”. All well and good, but that is not what the investment entails. Allen wants to re-make the investment. I’ll presume that the investment is what is presented. Starfire doesn’t seem desperate for investors so I imagine that you either invest according to their terms or you don’t invest. Simple!
Allen says, “you have virtually no recourse (that I can tell)” The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Bartko is therefore personally responsible for the loan. If Bartko doesn’t pay, you can sue him and get everything that he has. There is no corporate shield. The paperwork provides that if you sue and win you get your attorney’s fees and damages. So, there is recourse. Does anyone here know what they are talking about? Read, Read, Read!!!
Alan further says ” I know quite a few specialty suppliers working for the government and none of them operate this way”. Obviously this supplier does operate this way. Not everyone is the same.
LuckyinOc found the business address and location. So the business does exist.
ucodegen says, ” You will not be able to sue Bartko because of corporate veil.” Ucodegen talks like an attorney, but he’s not! He is totally wrong. There is no corporate veil. Why doesn’t anyone read? The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Read, Read, Read!!! See where it says, “personal”. No corporate veil. Personal liability! Personal means Personal!!!
Ucodegen then goes on to talk like an expert: See 1,2,3,4,5,6 of Ucodegen’s reply. Every business is different. What one business does and finds advantageous, another finds disadvantageous. The funniest thing; ucodegen quotes the agreement, “The owner of Starfire personally guarantees the investment and signs all documents.” Then ucodegen says, “he is behind at least one LLC.. which means his real liability is 0” I repeat, READ, READ, READ!!! The documents specify that Bartko is PERSONALLY responsible! READ!!! UNDERSTAND!!! Use facts, use evidence! Everything here is personal opinion without any fact!
Ucodegen then, in his last sentence makes me understand where he is coming from, “I used to work at a defense contractor until I was laid off.” Maybe there is a reason why he was laid off? He was an employee for a contractor, and now a laid off employee.
JustLurking chimes in with his/her expert opinion. Expert at what? Again, every business operates differently and what works for one, doesn’t work for another. And neither is good or bad. Facts anyone?
Pri_dk sends an article.
ThunderBlaze responds, “When you are solely looking for the bad, you can always find it.
… it is not any of the persons in the article … Starfire is a legitimate business that utilizes investors. It is your choice to invest or not.” ThunderBlaze isn’t pushing an investment and it seems that it doesn’t even care if you invest or not.
Wshuponastr wants to see contracts. Why would any business give their contracts and business information out? Does Wshuponastr want to give out their tax returns to everyone they invest with or might invest with?
Ariffee22 wants a personal guarantee. Read, Read, Read. The owner of Starfire gives a personal guarantee!!!
CricketOnTheHearth seems to base his opinions on his nose. You buy perfume and cook based upon your nose. Investments should be purchased based on fact and information. This person says that they are employed by a Fortune 500 company. Emphasize employee. How one company purchases products isn’t necessarily how another purchases and each product purchase would also be different. It’s wonderful to generalize, but come on folks; Let’s get some actual information and facts!
Everyone here has their opinions but they act like the experts that they are not. Invest or don’t invest, but do your own research. Is the investment legitimate, no-one here knows either! No one found anything negative or bad, and that itself is very, very, very positive. Don’t you find it amusing that everyone has something negative to say, but there are no facts or specifics or evidence to back up their opinions. No-one found anything negative! But they all have negative opinions!
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it. If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate. I find it amazing that no one found any complaints or anything at all bad, but you all are knocking the investment. Just think, what if the investment is as good as presented and you’re losing the opportunity to double your money in three years. As Shakespeare says, and I paraphrase; Oh, what fools these posters be!
Your question to ask of me is: If I know so much why am I not investing in this company? I might be, but I’d never tell you and even if I did tell you, you wouldn’t believe me. Your minds are made up, why would I want to confuse you with facts?
Anyone can post and say either good or bad about the investment. No one would ever know if they had facts or information or just “noses”. Maybe, the owner of this web site should check out Starfire.
Again, it’s like asking me my expert opinion about Porsche’s. You’ll get a worthless opinion!!!
Sarah

[Anonymous]

I’ve been looking at this topic almost since it was originally posted.
Does anyone except me see problems with the posts?
I ask purely because whenever I read through the comments here I see a lot of sweeping generalizations and statements but little in the way of facts or evidence or even an implication of experience or knowledge or background.
My father used a proverb, “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.”
Has anyone invested with ThunderBlaze?
Has anyone personally talked with ThunderBlaze?
Does anyone who posted here know what they are talking about? Does anyone have any facts or is it all opinion?
Just because you know nothing about the investment doesn’t make it wrong, bad or not legitimate.
The NeetaT person obviously communicated and posts information that he/she got from ThunderBlaze. There are agreements and basic information about an investment. Simple documents without a lot of legaleeze. I don’t see anything tricky or not legitimate in these documents. These documents are straightforward and very simple, not legaleeze.
NeetaT seems like he/she knows as much about investing as I know about Porsche cars (which is nothing). NeetaT has his/her mind made up even before posting, as do most of the posters and comments.
I have some investing knowledge from my 30 years of being a financial advisor.
Allen says to “demand something in terms of security”. All well and good, but that is not what the investment entails. Allen wants to re-make the investment. I’ll presume that the investment is what is presented. Starfire doesn’t seem desperate for investors so I imagine that you either invest according to their terms or you don’t invest. Simple!
Allen says, “you have virtually no recourse (that I can tell)” The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Bartko is therefore personally responsible for the loan. If Bartko doesn’t pay, you can sue him and get everything that he has. There is no corporate shield. The paperwork provides that if you sue and win you get your attorney’s fees and damages. So, there is recourse. Does anyone here know what they are talking about? Read, Read, Read!!!
Alan further says ” I know quite a few specialty suppliers working for the government and none of them operate this way”. Obviously this supplier does operate this way. Not everyone is the same.
LuckyinOc found the business address and location. So the business does exist.
ucodegen says, ” You will not be able to sue Bartko because of corporate veil.” Ucodegen talks like an attorney, but he’s not! He is totally wrong. There is no corporate veil. Why doesn’t anyone read? The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Read, Read, Read!!! See where it says, “personal”. No corporate veil. Personal liability! Personal means Personal!!!
Ucodegen then goes on to talk like an expert: See 1,2,3,4,5,6 of Ucodegen’s reply. Every business is different. What one business does and finds advantageous, another finds disadvantageous. The funniest thing; ucodegen quotes the agreement, “The owner of Starfire personally guarantees the investment and signs all documents.” Then ucodegen says, “he is behind at least one LLC.. which means his real liability is 0” I repeat, READ, READ, READ!!! The documents specify that Bartko is PERSONALLY responsible! READ!!! UNDERSTAND!!! Use facts, use evidence! Everything here is personal opinion without any fact!
Ucodegen then, in his last sentence makes me understand where he is coming from, “I used to work at a defense contractor until I was laid off.” Maybe there is a reason why he was laid off? He was an employee for a contractor, and now a laid off employee.
JustLurking chimes in with his/her expert opinion. Expert at what? Again, every business operates differently and what works for one, doesn’t work for another. And neither is good or bad. Facts anyone?
Pri_dk sends an article.
ThunderBlaze responds, “When you are solely looking for the bad, you can always find it.
… it is not any of the persons in the article … Starfire is a legitimate business that utilizes investors. It is your choice to invest or not.” ThunderBlaze isn’t pushing an investment and it seems that it doesn’t even care if you invest or not.
Wshuponastr wants to see contracts. Why would any business give their contracts and business information out? Does Wshuponastr want to give out their tax returns to everyone they invest with or might invest with?
Ariffee22 wants a personal guarantee. Read, Read, Read. The owner of Starfire gives a personal guarantee!!!
CricketOnTheHearth seems to base his opinions on his nose. You buy perfume and cook based upon your nose. Investments should be purchased based on fact and information. This person says that they are employed by a Fortune 500 company. Emphasize employee. How one company purchases products isn’t necessarily how another purchases and each product purchase would also be different. It’s wonderful to generalize, but come on folks; Let’s get some actual information and facts!
Everyone here has their opinions but they act like the experts that they are not. Invest or don’t invest, but do your own research. Is the investment legitimate, no-one here knows either! No one found anything negative or bad, and that itself is very, very, very positive. Don’t you find it amusing that everyone has something negative to say, but there are no facts or specifics or evidence to back up their opinions. No-one found anything negative! But they all have negative opinions!
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it. If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate. I find it amazing that no one found any complaints or anything at all bad, but you all are knocking the investment. Just think, what if the investment is as good as presented and you’re losing the opportunity to double your money in three years. As Shakespeare says, and I paraphrase; Oh, what fools these posters be!
Your question to ask of me is: If I know so much why am I not investing in this company? I might be, but I’d never tell you and even if I did tell you, you wouldn’t believe me. Your minds are made up, why would I want to confuse you with facts?
Anyone can post and say either good or bad about the investment. No one would ever know if they had facts or information or just “noses”. Maybe, the owner of this web site should check out Starfire.
Again, it’s like asking me my expert opinion about Porsche’s. You’ll get a worthless opinion!!!
Sarah

[Anonymous]

I’ve been looking at this topic almost since it was originally posted.
Does anyone except me see problems with the posts?
I ask purely because whenever I read through the comments here I see a lot of sweeping generalizations and statements but little in the way of facts or evidence or even an implication of experience or knowledge or background.
My father used a proverb, “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.”
Has anyone invested with ThunderBlaze?
Has anyone personally talked with ThunderBlaze?
Does anyone who posted here know what they are talking about? Does anyone have any facts or is it all opinion?
Just because you know nothing about the investment doesn’t make it wrong, bad or not legitimate.
The NeetaT person obviously communicated and posts information that he/she got from ThunderBlaze. There are agreements and basic information about an investment. Simple documents without a lot of legaleeze. I don’t see anything tricky or not legitimate in these documents. These documents are straightforward and very simple, not legaleeze.
NeetaT seems like he/she knows as much about investing as I know about Porsche cars (which is nothing). NeetaT has his/her mind made up even before posting, as do most of the posters and comments.
I have some investing knowledge from my 30 years of being a financial advisor.
Allen says to “demand something in terms of security”. All well and good, but that is not what the investment entails. Allen wants to re-make the investment. I’ll presume that the investment is what is presented. Starfire doesn’t seem desperate for investors so I imagine that you either invest according to their terms or you don’t invest. Simple!
Allen says, “you have virtually no recourse (that I can tell)” The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Bartko is therefore personally responsible for the loan. If Bartko doesn’t pay, you can sue him and get everything that he has. There is no corporate shield. The paperwork provides that if you sue and win you get your attorney’s fees and damages. So, there is recourse. Does anyone here know what they are talking about? Read, Read, Read!!!
Alan further says ” I know quite a few specialty suppliers working for the government and none of them operate this way”. Obviously this supplier does operate this way. Not everyone is the same.
LuckyinOc found the business address and location. So the business does exist.
ucodegen says, ” You will not be able to sue Bartko because of corporate veil.” Ucodegen talks like an attorney, but he’s not! He is totally wrong. There is no corporate veil. Why doesn’t anyone read? The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Read, Read, Read!!! See where it says, “personal”. No corporate veil. Personal liability! Personal means Personal!!!
Ucodegen then goes on to talk like an expert: See 1,2,3,4,5,6 of Ucodegen’s reply. Every business is different. What one business does and finds advantageous, another finds disadvantageous. The funniest thing; ucodegen quotes the agreement, “The owner of Starfire personally guarantees the investment and signs all documents.” Then ucodegen says, “he is behind at least one LLC.. which means his real liability is 0” I repeat, READ, READ, READ!!! The documents specify that Bartko is PERSONALLY responsible! READ!!! UNDERSTAND!!! Use facts, use evidence! Everything here is personal opinion without any fact!
Ucodegen then, in his last sentence makes me understand where he is coming from, “I used to work at a defense contractor until I was laid off.” Maybe there is a reason why he was laid off? He was an employee for a contractor, and now a laid off employee.
JustLurking chimes in with his/her expert opinion. Expert at what? Again, every business operates differently and what works for one, doesn’t work for another. And neither is good or bad. Facts anyone?
Pri_dk sends an article.
ThunderBlaze responds, “When you are solely looking for the bad, you can always find it.
… it is not any of the persons in the article … Starfire is a legitimate business that utilizes investors. It is your choice to invest or not.” ThunderBlaze isn’t pushing an investment and it seems that it doesn’t even care if you invest or not.
Wshuponastr wants to see contracts. Why would any business give their contracts and business information out? Does Wshuponastr want to give out their tax returns to everyone they invest with or might invest with?
Ariffee22 wants a personal guarantee. Read, Read, Read. The owner of Starfire gives a personal guarantee!!!
CricketOnTheHearth seems to base his opinions on his nose. You buy perfume and cook based upon your nose. Investments should be purchased based on fact and information. This person says that they are employed by a Fortune 500 company. Emphasize employee. How one company purchases products isn’t necessarily how another purchases and each product purchase would also be different. It’s wonderful to generalize, but come on folks; Let’s get some actual information and facts!
Everyone here has their opinions but they act like the experts that they are not. Invest or don’t invest, but do your own research. Is the investment legitimate, no-one here knows either! No one found anything negative or bad, and that itself is very, very, very positive. Don’t you find it amusing that everyone has something negative to say, but there are no facts or specifics or evidence to back up their opinions. No-one found anything negative! But they all have negative opinions!
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it. If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate. I find it amazing that no one found any complaints or anything at all bad, but you all are knocking the investment. Just think, what if the investment is as good as presented and you’re losing the opportunity to double your money in three years. As Shakespeare says, and I paraphrase; Oh, what fools these posters be!
Your question to ask of me is: If I know so much why am I not investing in this company? I might be, but I’d never tell you and even if I did tell you, you wouldn’t believe me. Your minds are made up, why would I want to confuse you with facts?
Anyone can post and say either good or bad about the investment. No one would ever know if they had facts or information or just “noses”. Maybe, the owner of this web site should check out Starfire.
Again, it’s like asking me my expert opinion about Porsche’s. You’ll get a worthless opinion!!!
Sarah

[Anonymous]

I’ve been looking at this topic almost since it was originally posted.
Does anyone except me see problems with the posts?
I ask purely because whenever I read through the comments here I see a lot of sweeping generalizations and statements but little in the way of facts or evidence or even an implication of experience or knowledge or background.
My father used a proverb, “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.”
Has anyone invested with ThunderBlaze?
Has anyone personally talked with ThunderBlaze?
Does anyone who posted here know what they are talking about? Does anyone have any facts or is it all opinion?
Just because you know nothing about the investment doesn’t make it wrong, bad or not legitimate.
The NeetaT person obviously communicated and posts information that he/she got from ThunderBlaze. There are agreements and basic information about an investment. Simple documents without a lot of legaleeze. I don’t see anything tricky or not legitimate in these documents. These documents are straightforward and very simple, not legaleeze.
NeetaT seems like he/she knows as much about investing as I know about Porsche cars (which is nothing). NeetaT has his/her mind made up even before posting, as do most of the posters and comments.
I have some investing knowledge from my 30 years of being a financial advisor.
Allen says to “demand something in terms of security”. All well and good, but that is not what the investment entails. Allen wants to re-make the investment. I’ll presume that the investment is what is presented. Starfire doesn’t seem desperate for investors so I imagine that you either invest according to their terms or you don’t invest. Simple!
Allen says, “you have virtually no recourse (that I can tell)” The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Bartko is therefore personally responsible for the loan. If Bartko doesn’t pay, you can sue him and get everything that he has. There is no corporate shield. The paperwork provides that if you sue and win you get your attorney’s fees and damages. So, there is recourse. Does anyone here know what they are talking about? Read, Read, Read!!!
Alan further says ” I know quite a few specialty suppliers working for the government and none of them operate this way”. Obviously this supplier does operate this way. Not everyone is the same.
LuckyinOc found the business address and location. So the business does exist.
ucodegen says, ” You will not be able to sue Bartko because of corporate veil.” Ucodegen talks like an attorney, but he’s not! He is totally wrong. There is no corporate veil. Why doesn’t anyone read? The note says, ” Investment accepted as a personal loan to Steve Bartko dba Starfire Technology”. Read, Read, Read!!! See where it says, “personal”. No corporate veil. Personal liability! Personal means Personal!!!
Ucodegen then goes on to talk like an expert: See 1,2,3,4,5,6 of Ucodegen’s reply. Every business is different. What one business does and finds advantageous, another finds disadvantageous. The funniest thing; ucodegen quotes the agreement, “The owner of Starfire personally guarantees the investment and signs all documents.” Then ucodegen says, “he is behind at least one LLC.. which means his real liability is 0” I repeat, READ, READ, READ!!! The documents specify that Bartko is PERSONALLY responsible! READ!!! UNDERSTAND!!! Use facts, use evidence! Everything here is personal opinion without any fact!
Ucodegen then, in his last sentence makes me understand where he is coming from, “I used to work at a defense contractor until I was laid off.” Maybe there is a reason why he was laid off? He was an employee for a contractor, and now a laid off employee.
JustLurking chimes in with his/her expert opinion. Expert at what? Again, every business operates differently and what works for one, doesn’t work for another. And neither is good or bad. Facts anyone?
Pri_dk sends an article.
ThunderBlaze responds, “When you are solely looking for the bad, you can always find it.
… it is not any of the persons in the article … Starfire is a legitimate business that utilizes investors. It is your choice to invest or not.” ThunderBlaze isn’t pushing an investment and it seems that it doesn’t even care if you invest or not.
Wshuponastr wants to see contracts. Why would any business give their contracts and business information out? Does Wshuponastr want to give out their tax returns to everyone they invest with or might invest with?
Ariffee22 wants a personal guarantee. Read, Read, Read. The owner of Starfire gives a personal guarantee!!!
CricketOnTheHearth seems to base his opinions on his nose. You buy perfume and cook based upon your nose. Investments should be purchased based on fact and information. This person says that they are employed by a Fortune 500 company. Emphasize employee. How one company purchases products isn’t necessarily how another purchases and each product purchase would also be different. It’s wonderful to generalize, but come on folks; Let’s get some actual information and facts!
Everyone here has their opinions but they act like the experts that they are not. Invest or don’t invest, but do your own research. Is the investment legitimate, no-one here knows either! No one found anything negative or bad, and that itself is very, very, very positive. Don’t you find it amusing that everyone has something negative to say, but there are no facts or specifics or evidence to back up their opinions. No-one found anything negative! But they all have negative opinions!
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it. If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate. I find it amazing that no one found any complaints or anything at all bad, but you all are knocking the investment. Just think, what if the investment is as good as presented and you’re losing the opportunity to double your money in three years. As Shakespeare says, and I paraphrase; Oh, what fools these posters be!
Your question to ask of me is: If I know so much why am I not investing in this company? I might be, but I’d never tell you and even if I did tell you, you wouldn’t believe me. Your minds are made up, why would I want to confuse you with facts?
Anyone can post and say either good or bad about the investment. No one would ever know if they had facts or information or just “noses”. Maybe, the owner of this web site should check out Starfire.
Again, it’s like asking me my expert opinion about Porsche’s. You’ll get a worthless opinion!!!
Sarah

[UCGal]

Just a couple of thoughts on your points…

[quote=Sarah G.]
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
[/quote]
When I invest not only do I look at information provided by the company – I look at outside information about the company. I also look at the structure of the company and whether I am comfortable with that structure. Sometimes the structure makes me uncomfortable – so I don’t invest in it. If someone asks my opinion, I’ll give them my opinion – including if I think it’s got inherant risk or is doing things in a way that makes me uncomfortable.

[quote=Sarah G.]
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it.
[/quote]
If my only means to determine if an investment is “awesome” is to risk money, then I’ll sit on the sidelines. I prefer to do due dilligence before investing. I’m not that unusual.

[quote=Sarah G.]
If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate.
[/quote]
I strongly disagree with this statement. Here’s an example of doing business with a company that did not have any complaints against it.

I hired a contractor who turned out, I learned after the fact, to have a business model of ripping people off. I did my due dilligence – I’d checked his license status, I’d called the references he supplied, I googled him, I checked to see if there were lawsuits filed against him… I checked him out as thoroughly as I could. There were NO dings on his license or complaints against him. It turns out that complaints HAD been filed against him with the state, but the CSLB hadn’t processed them yet. We later filed a very thorough, documented complaint against him and it took a year before it showed on the CSLB website and is still waiting to be prosecuted by the AG’s office.

Just because a business doesn’t have a complaint against it – doesn’t mean it’s legitimate.

Additionally – I have done my best to get complaints agains him. I’ve written complaints against him with Kudzu, ServiceMasters, etc. Any website that lists his business – I filed a complaint against him. Only the kudzu one shows. It is VERY hard to get complaints posted on these sites that advertize businesses. Trust me, I have tried.

It is naive to think that just because you can’t find a public complaint, that the business is legitimate and that no one has tried to post/publish/file a complaint.

Granted investing is different than hiring a contractor – but they both involve a lot of money changing hands…

NeetaT asked for opinions and people gave them. Just as you gave yours.

[UCGal]

Just a couple of thoughts on your points…

[quote=Sarah G.]
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
[/quote]
When I invest not only do I look at information provided by the company – I look at outside information about the company. I also look at the structure of the company and whether I am comfortable with that structure. Sometimes the structure makes me uncomfortable – so I don’t invest in it. If someone asks my opinion, I’ll give them my opinion – including if I think it’s got inherant risk or is doing things in a way that makes me uncomfortable.

[quote=Sarah G.]
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it.
[/quote]
If my only means to determine if an investment is “awesome” is to risk money, then I’ll sit on the sidelines. I prefer to do due dilligence before investing. I’m not that unusual.

[quote=Sarah G.]
If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate.
[/quote]
I strongly disagree with this statement. Here’s an example of doing business with a company that did not have any complaints against it.

I hired a contractor who turned out, I learned after the fact, to have a business model of ripping people off. I did my due dilligence – I’d checked his license status, I’d called the references he supplied, I googled him, I checked to see if there were lawsuits filed against him… I checked him out as thoroughly as I could. There were NO dings on his license or complaints against him. It turns out that complaints HAD been filed against him with the state, but the CSLB hadn’t processed them yet. We later filed a very thorough, documented complaint against him and it took a year before it showed on the CSLB website and is still waiting to be prosecuted by the AG’s office.

Just because a business doesn’t have a complaint against it – doesn’t mean it’s legitimate.

Additionally – I have done my best to get complaints agains him. I’ve written complaints against him with Kudzu, ServiceMasters, etc. Any website that lists his business – I filed a complaint against him. Only the kudzu one shows. It is VERY hard to get complaints posted on these sites that advertize businesses. Trust me, I have tried.

It is naive to think that just because you can’t find a public complaint, that the business is legitimate and that no one has tried to post/publish/file a complaint.

Granted investing is different than hiring a contractor – but they both involve a lot of money changing hands…

NeetaT asked for opinions and people gave them. Just as you gave yours.

[UCGal]

Just a couple of thoughts on your points…

[quote=Sarah G.]
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
[/quote]
When I invest not only do I look at information provided by the company – I look at outside information about the company. I also look at the structure of the company and whether I am comfortable with that structure. Sometimes the structure makes me uncomfortable – so I don’t invest in it. If someone asks my opinion, I’ll give them my opinion – including if I think it’s got inherant risk or is doing things in a way that makes me uncomfortable.

[quote=Sarah G.]
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it.
[/quote]
If my only means to determine if an investment is “awesome” is to risk money, then I’ll sit on the sidelines. I prefer to do due dilligence before investing. I’m not that unusual.

[quote=Sarah G.]
If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate.
[/quote]
I strongly disagree with this statement. Here’s an example of doing business with a company that did not have any complaints against it.

I hired a contractor who turned out, I learned after the fact, to have a business model of ripping people off. I did my due dilligence – I’d checked his license status, I’d called the references he supplied, I googled him, I checked to see if there were lawsuits filed against him… I checked him out as thoroughly as I could. There were NO dings on his license or complaints against him. It turns out that complaints HAD been filed against him with the state, but the CSLB hadn’t processed them yet. We later filed a very thorough, documented complaint against him and it took a year before it showed on the CSLB website and is still waiting to be prosecuted by the AG’s office.

Just because a business doesn’t have a complaint against it – doesn’t mean it’s legitimate.

Additionally – I have done my best to get complaints agains him. I’ve written complaints against him with Kudzu, ServiceMasters, etc. Any website that lists his business – I filed a complaint against him. Only the kudzu one shows. It is VERY hard to get complaints posted on these sites that advertize businesses. Trust me, I have tried.

It is naive to think that just because you can’t find a public complaint, that the business is legitimate and that no one has tried to post/publish/file a complaint.

Granted investing is different than hiring a contractor – but they both involve a lot of money changing hands…

NeetaT asked for opinions and people gave them. Just as you gave yours.

[UCGal]

Just a couple of thoughts on your points…

[quote=Sarah G.]
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
[/quote]
When I invest not only do I look at information provided by the company – I look at outside information about the company. I also look at the structure of the company and whether I am comfortable with that structure. Sometimes the structure makes me uncomfortable – so I don’t invest in it. If someone asks my opinion, I’ll give them my opinion – including if I think it’s got inherant risk or is doing things in a way that makes me uncomfortable.

[quote=Sarah G.]
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it.
[/quote]
If my only means to determine if an investment is “awesome” is to risk money, then I’ll sit on the sidelines. I prefer to do due dilligence before investing. I’m not that unusual.

[quote=Sarah G.]
If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate.
[/quote]
I strongly disagree with this statement. Here’s an example of doing business with a company that did not have any complaints against it.

I hired a contractor who turned out, I learned after the fact, to have a business model of ripping people off. I did my due dilligence – I’d checked his license status, I’d called the references he supplied, I googled him, I checked to see if there were lawsuits filed against him… I checked him out as thoroughly as I could. There were NO dings on his license or complaints against him. It turns out that complaints HAD been filed against him with the state, but the CSLB hadn’t processed them yet. We later filed a very thorough, documented complaint against him and it took a year before it showed on the CSLB website and is still waiting to be prosecuted by the AG’s office.

Just because a business doesn’t have a complaint against it – doesn’t mean it’s legitimate.

Additionally – I have done my best to get complaints agains him. I’ve written complaints against him with Kudzu, ServiceMasters, etc. Any website that lists his business – I filed a complaint against him. Only the kudzu one shows. It is VERY hard to get complaints posted on these sites that advertize businesses. Trust me, I have tried.

It is naive to think that just because you can’t find a public complaint, that the business is legitimate and that no one has tried to post/publish/file a complaint.

Granted investing is different than hiring a contractor – but they both involve a lot of money changing hands…

NeetaT asked for opinions and people gave them. Just as you gave yours.

[UCGal]

Just a couple of thoughts on your points…

[quote=Sarah G.]
If you actually have any money to invest and if you actually wanted information, wouldn’t the best place to go to be ThunderBlaze itself. Do you realize that here you are getting opinions from “noses”?
[/quote]
When I invest not only do I look at information provided by the company – I look at outside information about the company. I also look at the structure of the company and whether I am comfortable with that structure. Sometimes the structure makes me uncomfortable – so I don’t invest in it. If someone asks my opinion, I’ll give them my opinion – including if I think it’s got inherant risk or is doing things in a way that makes me uncomfortable.

[quote=Sarah G.]
This might be an awesome investment, and then again, it might not be. If it is as presented, it is awsome!
The only way you’ll find out if the investment is as awesome as is presented is to make an investment in it.
[/quote]
If my only means to determine if an investment is “awesome” is to risk money, then I’ll sit on the sidelines. I prefer to do due dilligence before investing. I’m not that unusual.

[quote=Sarah G.]
If it’s bad, you might lose your money, but you’ll make complaints and then the complaints would be available to find. Since no one found anything negative, maybe no one has had any bad experiences with the investment and the investment is legitimate.
[/quote]
I strongly disagree with this statement. Here’s an example of doing business with a company that did not have any complaints against it.

I hired a contractor who turned out, I learned after the fact, to have a business model of ripping people off. I did my due dilligence – I’d checked his license status, I’d called the references he supplied, I googled him, I checked to see if there were lawsuits filed against him… I checked him out as thoroughly as I could. There were NO dings on his license or complaints against him. It turns out that complaints HAD been filed against him with the state, but the CSLB hadn’t processed them yet. We later filed a very thorough, documented complaint against him and it took a year before it showed on the CSLB website and is still waiting to be prosecuted by the AG’s office.

Just because a business doesn’t have a complaint against it – doesn’t mean it’s legitimate.

Additionally – I have done my best to get complaints agains him. I’ve written complaints against him with Kudzu, ServiceMasters, etc. Any website that lists his business – I filed a complaint against him. Only the kudzu one shows. It is VERY hard to get complaints posted on these sites that advertize businesses. Trust me, I have tried.

It is naive to think that just because you can’t find a public complaint, that the business is legitimate and that no one has tried to post/publish/file a complaint.

Granted investing is different than hiring a contractor – but they both involve a lot of money changing hands…

NeetaT asked for opinions and people gave them. Just as you gave yours.

[JustLurking]

Sarah – you asked for facts? How about public records? I did a quick google search for Steve V. Bartko. Interestingly, he has NO web presence for anything related to his business. But, I did find a pdf from First American Title showing his purchase of a 1bd/1ba condo in Oceanside in 2007 (for $550k no less!). Then I did a quick search at the county assessor site to see that he has not paid his property taxes on that property. Just the kind of person you would feel confident about their “personal guarantee”.

I suggest you do your own “research”. The info above took about 3 minutes to find.

[JustLurking]

Sarah – you asked for facts? How about public records? I did a quick google search for Steve V. Bartko. Interestingly, he has NO web presence for anything related to his business. But, I did find a pdf from First American Title showing his purchase of a 1bd/1ba condo in Oceanside in 2007 (for $550k no less!). Then I did a quick search at the county assessor site to see that he has not paid his property taxes on that property. Just the kind of person you would feel confident about their “personal guarantee”.

I suggest you do your own “research”. The info above took about 3 minutes to find.

[JustLurking]

Sarah – you asked for facts? How about public records? I did a quick google search for Steve V. Bartko. Interestingly, he has NO web presence for anything related to his business. But, I did find a pdf from First American Title showing his purchase of a 1bd/1ba condo in Oceanside in 2007 (for $550k no less!). Then I did a quick search at the county assessor site to see that he has not paid his property taxes on that property. Just the kind of person you would feel confident about their “personal guarantee”.

I suggest you do your own “research”. The info above took about 3 minutes to find.

[JustLurking]

Sarah – you asked for facts? How about public records? I did a quick google search for Steve V. Bartko. Interestingly, he has NO web presence for anything related to his business. But, I did find a pdf from First American Title showing his purchase of a 1bd/1ba condo in Oceanside in 2007 (for $550k no less!). Then I did a quick search at the county assessor site to see that he has not paid his property taxes on that property. Just the kind of person you would feel confident about their “personal guarantee”.

I suggest you do your own “research”. The info above took about 3 minutes to find.

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