How’s the IT Job Market?

[Coronita]

[quote=paramount]Please join me in the real world!

“Do what you enjoy and it will all work out” – another load of s. If life were only that easy.

You do what pays the bills, and hopefully it happens to be something you enjoy. For most people, that’s the way things work.

Also, eclipxe, I wish I lived in your ideal world. IT is a moving target and skill requirements change and often rapidly – it often comes down to more than “GOOD” and “PRIDE” and all of that other BS your spouting – those subjective ideals alone will not guarantee that anyone is in demand.

As far as age discrimination is concerned, your comments have no value IMO as I suspect you don’t have a clue or have never been a victim of age discrimnation.

When you are 48 and get laid off from an IT job where you were making 6 figures then you might get the idea. Then maybe you won’t be so arrogant.

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I don’t think folks here are trying to be arrogant about this. It’s no surprise that technology (not IT specifically) is constantly evolving. To stay in this field, frankly you have to keep up. And frankly, as you get older, you get slower too, from your twenty something counterparts. I’m in my mid thirties, and frankly, I’m starting to see my own limitations. I can’t churn out stuff as fast I use to be able to (although I like to think the stuff I produce is a lot less crappier than before). BUT, here’s hte wrinkle. I don’t think you can expect to be a forever “code monkey”. There is no challenge in coding, or writing code. It’s the same sh!t in a different language, and software technology hasn’t really “evolved”. It’s same circular things over over and over again, done faster or cheaper.

What makes software unique is what the creator allows it to do.. You can outsource labor. You cannot outsource innovation. Innovation is about creativity and ingenuity. Ideas aren’t just going to “stop” in the U.S.. But let’s face it, a code “programmer” is just that “hired labor”. No different from a mechanic or accountant.

And another thing, if you ever worked creating a conceptual project is done by an outsourced team, for which requirements weren’t stated such that a monkey could write the code, you’ll quickly learn how difficult it is to get a non-local team to prototype a “beta” idea. It’s easy to get an outsource team to do a project that everything is well defined (either maintanence or add on features or a well stated/well documented project). Trying to get conceptual/fuzzy ideas prototyped on outsourced team, well not so easy.
No generally, once something goes into “maintenance” mode, yeah I guess it can be outsourced…BUT why would you want to stay working on “maintanence” if you had a choice? I would be a huge proponent of outsource all our maintenance if I had a choice, because there a bunch more projects I’d like to launch and have my team to build… I can’t possibly scale without offloading all the old stuff to someone else. Of course, it requires everyone on the team to learn something new again, which can be frustrating…But it beats getting folks to get stuck on something, like some ex-Cobol programmers.

That said, innovation isn’t gonna just come from U.S. India/china too will be cranking out stuff too. Same with the eastern europe slovic countries. BUT, is this really an end of U.S. development and innovation?

BTW: I see plenty of people in their 40ies and 50ies that are functioning as architects, software entrepreneurs, and/or own their own software shops. They don’t “program” anymore. Coding isn’t that difficult to learn. You can take a UCSD extension course for 1-2 months and pretty much do a good portion of one knows from school and/or hands-on experience)…Same shit, different language…. It surprises me a lot when folks in interviews ask questions like “give me the exact API for some method on some java function”….Um, step (1), open up the javadoc API guide, step (2) read what the API does…This isn’t brain surgery that requires one to memorize things.

Regarding unionization. It will be interesting to look back and see if unionization and costs of unionization are a factor into why GM/Ford/Chrysler ultimately fail.

[Coronita]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS][quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=eclipxe]I work for a smaller development company and we’re actively trying to hire.

I think it is important to separate general “IT” from “Software Development”. A non technology company views IT developers as a cost center, a software company views developers as a profit center and treats them as such.

Good developers (that are in the field because they view it as an art and a creative endeavor) will not have a problem finding work, even in this market. Developers that are in it to collect a pay check will struggle when faced with outsourced labor that will do it with the same lack of passion but cheaper.

There is a very interesting thread on Joel on Software where developers are discussing the current job market and desire to leave the industry. Very relevant to this thread: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.718003.14%5B/quote%5D

Work for a company or start one that’s business is software products or services. Not some IT position at say some insurance company doing some back office crap. World of difference.

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I may be the lucky one but took an “IT” job with a local insurance company and they decided to spend in a down market by phasing out all legacy systems to a centralized ERP platform, which has been done once in the US for a certain line of business. Luckily I was an ex-sap consultant in the right place at the right time.

Point is to not assume all industries are bad IT shops, they could have something on the horizon.[/quote]

Sorry, point well taken. Did not mean to overly generalize.

…There was an annoying headhunter that called me the other day telling me about an “awesome position locally in the insurance industry”…It only required me to take a 2-level demotion….I tell recruiter, I have a few senior engineers that might be interested…He tells me, they’re looking for more higher level people to do senior engineering work, versus hiring senior engineers to do senior engineering work. Either the recruiter is being an ass or company is being an ass or both…. FAIL/ FAIL. Most likely, wasn’t your company….

[Coronita]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS][quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=eclipxe]I work for a smaller development company and we’re actively trying to hire.

I think it is important to separate general “IT” from “Software Development”. A non technology company views IT developers as a cost center, a software company views developers as a profit center and treats them as such.

Good developers (that are in the field because they view it as an art and a creative endeavor) will not have a problem finding work, even in this market. Developers that are in it to collect a pay check will struggle when faced with outsourced labor that will do it with the same lack of passion but cheaper.

There is a very interesting thread on Joel on Software where developers are discussing the current job market and desire to leave the industry. Very relevant to this thread: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.718003.14%5B/quote%5D

Work for a company or start one that’s business is software products or services. Not some IT position at say some insurance company doing some back office crap. World of difference.

[/quote]

I may be the lucky one but took an “IT” job with a local insurance company and they decided to spend in a down market by phasing out all legacy systems to a centralized ERP platform, which has been done once in the US for a certain line of business. Luckily I was an ex-sap consultant in the right place at the right time.

Point is to not assume all industries are bad IT shops, they could have something on the horizon.[/quote]

Sorry, point well taken. Did not mean to overly generalize.

…There was an annoying headhunter that called me the other day telling me about an “awesome position locally in the insurance industry”…It only required me to take a 2-level demotion….I tell recruiter, I have a few senior engineers that might be interested…He tells me, they’re looking for more higher level people to do senior engineering work, versus hiring senior engineers to do senior engineering work. Either the recruiter is being an ass or company is being an ass or both…. FAIL/ FAIL. Most likely, wasn’t your company….

[Coronita]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS][quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=eclipxe]I work for a smaller development company and we’re actively trying to hire.

I think it is important to separate general “IT” from “Software Development”. A non technology company views IT developers as a cost center, a software company views developers as a profit center and treats them as such.

Good developers (that are in the field because they view it as an art and a creative endeavor) will not have a problem finding work, even in this market. Developers that are in it to collect a pay check will struggle when faced with outsourced labor that will do it with the same lack of passion but cheaper.

There is a very interesting thread on Joel on Software where developers are discussing the current job market and desire to leave the industry. Very relevant to this thread: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.718003.14%5B/quote%5D

Work for a company or start one that’s business is software products or services. Not some IT position at say some insurance company doing some back office crap. World of difference.

[/quote]

I may be the lucky one but took an “IT” job with a local insurance company and they decided to spend in a down market by phasing out all legacy systems to a centralized ERP platform, which has been done once in the US for a certain line of business. Luckily I was an ex-sap consultant in the right place at the right time.

Point is to not assume all industries are bad IT shops, they could have something on the horizon.[/quote]

Sorry, point well taken. Did not mean to overly generalize.

…There was an annoying headhunter that called me the other day telling me about an “awesome position locally in the insurance industry”…It only required me to take a 2-level demotion….I tell recruiter, I have a few senior engineers that might be interested…He tells me, they’re looking for more higher level people to do senior engineering work, versus hiring senior engineers to do senior engineering work. Either the recruiter is being an ass or company is being an ass or both…. FAIL/ FAIL. Most likely, wasn’t your company….

[Coronita]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS][quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=eclipxe]I work for a smaller development company and we’re actively trying to hire.

I think it is important to separate general “IT” from “Software Development”. A non technology company views IT developers as a cost center, a software company views developers as a profit center and treats them as such.

Good developers (that are in the field because they view it as an art and a creative endeavor) will not have a problem finding work, even in this market. Developers that are in it to collect a pay check will struggle when faced with outsourced labor that will do it with the same lack of passion but cheaper.

There is a very interesting thread on Joel on Software where developers are discussing the current job market and desire to leave the industry. Very relevant to this thread: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.718003.14%5B/quote%5D

Work for a company or start one that’s business is software products or services. Not some IT position at say some insurance company doing some back office crap. World of difference.

[/quote]

I may be the lucky one but took an “IT” job with a local insurance company and they decided to spend in a down market by phasing out all legacy systems to a centralized ERP platform, which has been done once in the US for a certain line of business. Luckily I was an ex-sap consultant in the right place at the right time.

Point is to not assume all industries are bad IT shops, they could have something on the horizon.[/quote]

Sorry, point well taken. Did not mean to overly generalize.

…There was an annoying headhunter that called me the other day telling me about an “awesome position locally in the insurance industry”…It only required me to take a 2-level demotion….I tell recruiter, I have a few senior engineers that might be interested…He tells me, they’re looking for more higher level people to do senior engineering work, versus hiring senior engineers to do senior engineering work. Either the recruiter is being an ass or company is being an ass or both…. FAIL/ FAIL. Most likely, wasn’t your company….

[Coronita]

[quote=LAAFTERHOURS][quote=fat_lazy_union_worker][quote=eclipxe]I work for a smaller development company and we’re actively trying to hire.

I think it is important to separate general “IT” from “Software Development”. A non technology company views IT developers as a cost center, a software company views developers as a profit center and treats them as such.

Good developers (that are in the field because they view it as an art and a creative endeavor) will not have a problem finding work, even in this market. Developers that are in it to collect a pay check will struggle when faced with outsourced labor that will do it with the same lack of passion but cheaper.

There is a very interesting thread on Joel on Software where developers are discussing the current job market and desire to leave the industry. Very relevant to this thread: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.718003.14%5B/quote%5D

Work for a company or start one that’s business is software products or services. Not some IT position at say some insurance company doing some back office crap. World of difference.

[/quote]

I may be the lucky one but took an “IT” job with a local insurance company and they decided to spend in a down market by phasing out all legacy systems to a centralized ERP platform, which has been done once in the US for a certain line of business. Luckily I was an ex-sap consultant in the right place at the right time.

Point is to not assume all industries are bad IT shops, they could have something on the horizon.[/quote]

Sorry, point well taken. Did not mean to overly generalize.

…There was an annoying headhunter that called me the other day telling me about an “awesome position locally in the insurance industry”…It only required me to take a 2-level demotion….I tell recruiter, I have a few senior engineers that might be interested…He tells me, they’re looking for more higher level people to do senior engineering work, versus hiring senior engineers to do senior engineering work. Either the recruiter is being an ass or company is being an ass or both…. FAIL/ FAIL. Most likely, wasn’t your company….

[Coronita]

[quote=BGinRB][quote=anxvariety]
He mentioned that the interviewees were letting it be known that they’d take 30-50% less than the usual salary[/quote]

Right, as observed.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
Um, yeah, and those are probably some of the same small companies that in good times try to convince people to take a 30-50% pay cut in return for as much “pre-ipo toilet paper stock certificates”….. and wonder why it’s so difficult to hire good talent or why their development/projects suck egg. I have not seen a company succeed in the long run primarily driven by cost cutting and finding the cheapest “labor” of development. Doing so infers they aren’t really building anything that cannot be easily done by someone else, and hence really lack a barrier to entry and competition. If that isn’t a warning sign of how you’re valued even before you show up for work, guess what happens when you do show up for work.
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Agreed, but irrelevant. The sad part is that the candidates were aware of all that (it was a LAMP stack webdev, not an IT position). The incident reminded me of late 2002/early 2003 when people with established careers and decade(s) of experience were just looking for something to tide them over and were taking 50% pay cut.

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You know, there is nothing wrong with candidates who are willing to take a paycut.

I mean, different people have different needs. When one has a family to feed, one often has to dig a ditch for the family so to speak versus someone single for example.And there might be situations like this. Hopefully for those folks, though, it’s only temporary.

On the other hand, there are some people that will routinely sell themselves short, out of desperation.. I don’t know, I guess it’s more mental.

I can say that anyone that takes that position knowingly 30-50% below market will quickly bolt when a better position turns up, making a net loss on the company that employs them anyway. And if I were that person, I wouldn’t be keeping all my design docs/information/code comments up to snuff to assist a smooth transition when I do bolt. And that’s exactly what’s gonna happen to this company, with whoever they employ. A bitter employee that started on the wrong foot, and you’ll never get that person to do anything more that he/she “has” to do.

[Coronita]

[quote=BGinRB][quote=anxvariety]
He mentioned that the interviewees were letting it be known that they’d take 30-50% less than the usual salary[/quote]

Right, as observed.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
Um, yeah, and those are probably some of the same small companies that in good times try to convince people to take a 30-50% pay cut in return for as much “pre-ipo toilet paper stock certificates”….. and wonder why it’s so difficult to hire good talent or why their development/projects suck egg. I have not seen a company succeed in the long run primarily driven by cost cutting and finding the cheapest “labor” of development. Doing so infers they aren’t really building anything that cannot be easily done by someone else, and hence really lack a barrier to entry and competition. If that isn’t a warning sign of how you’re valued even before you show up for work, guess what happens when you do show up for work.
[/quote]

Agreed, but irrelevant. The sad part is that the candidates were aware of all that (it was a LAMP stack webdev, not an IT position). The incident reminded me of late 2002/early 2003 when people with established careers and decade(s) of experience were just looking for something to tide them over and were taking 50% pay cut.

[/quote]

You know, there is nothing wrong with candidates who are willing to take a paycut.

I mean, different people have different needs. When one has a family to feed, one often has to dig a ditch for the family so to speak versus someone single for example.And there might be situations like this. Hopefully for those folks, though, it’s only temporary.

On the other hand, there are some people that will routinely sell themselves short, out of desperation.. I don’t know, I guess it’s more mental.

I can say that anyone that takes that position knowingly 30-50% below market will quickly bolt when a better position turns up, making a net loss on the company that employs them anyway. And if I were that person, I wouldn’t be keeping all my design docs/information/code comments up to snuff to assist a smooth transition when I do bolt. And that’s exactly what’s gonna happen to this company, with whoever they employ. A bitter employee that started on the wrong foot, and you’ll never get that person to do anything more that he/she “has” to do.

[Coronita]

[quote=BGinRB][quote=anxvariety]
He mentioned that the interviewees were letting it be known that they’d take 30-50% less than the usual salary[/quote]

Right, as observed.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
Um, yeah, and those are probably some of the same small companies that in good times try to convince people to take a 30-50% pay cut in return for as much “pre-ipo toilet paper stock certificates”….. and wonder why it’s so difficult to hire good talent or why their development/projects suck egg. I have not seen a company succeed in the long run primarily driven by cost cutting and finding the cheapest “labor” of development. Doing so infers they aren’t really building anything that cannot be easily done by someone else, and hence really lack a barrier to entry and competition. If that isn’t a warning sign of how you’re valued even before you show up for work, guess what happens when you do show up for work.
[/quote]

Agreed, but irrelevant. The sad part is that the candidates were aware of all that (it was a LAMP stack webdev, not an IT position). The incident reminded me of late 2002/early 2003 when people with established careers and decade(s) of experience were just looking for something to tide them over and were taking 50% pay cut.

[/quote]

You know, there is nothing wrong with candidates who are willing to take a paycut.

I mean, different people have different needs. When one has a family to feed, one often has to dig a ditch for the family so to speak versus someone single for example.And there might be situations like this. Hopefully for those folks, though, it’s only temporary.

On the other hand, there are some people that will routinely sell themselves short, out of desperation.. I don’t know, I guess it’s more mental.

I can say that anyone that takes that position knowingly 30-50% below market will quickly bolt when a better position turns up, making a net loss on the company that employs them anyway. And if I were that person, I wouldn’t be keeping all my design docs/information/code comments up to snuff to assist a smooth transition when I do bolt. And that’s exactly what’s gonna happen to this company, with whoever they employ. A bitter employee that started on the wrong foot, and you’ll never get that person to do anything more that he/she “has” to do.

[Coronita]

[quote=BGinRB][quote=anxvariety]
He mentioned that the interviewees were letting it be known that they’d take 30-50% less than the usual salary[/quote]

Right, as observed.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
Um, yeah, and those are probably some of the same small companies that in good times try to convince people to take a 30-50% pay cut in return for as much “pre-ipo toilet paper stock certificates”….. and wonder why it’s so difficult to hire good talent or why their development/projects suck egg. I have not seen a company succeed in the long run primarily driven by cost cutting and finding the cheapest “labor” of development. Doing so infers they aren’t really building anything that cannot be easily done by someone else, and hence really lack a barrier to entry and competition. If that isn’t a warning sign of how you’re valued even before you show up for work, guess what happens when you do show up for work.
[/quote]

Agreed, but irrelevant. The sad part is that the candidates were aware of all that (it was a LAMP stack webdev, not an IT position). The incident reminded me of late 2002/early 2003 when people with established careers and decade(s) of experience were just looking for something to tide them over and were taking 50% pay cut.

[/quote]

You know, there is nothing wrong with candidates who are willing to take a paycut.

I mean, different people have different needs. When one has a family to feed, one often has to dig a ditch for the family so to speak versus someone single for example.And there might be situations like this. Hopefully for those folks, though, it’s only temporary.

On the other hand, there are some people that will routinely sell themselves short, out of desperation.. I don’t know, I guess it’s more mental.

I can say that anyone that takes that position knowingly 30-50% below market will quickly bolt when a better position turns up, making a net loss on the company that employs them anyway. And if I were that person, I wouldn’t be keeping all my design docs/information/code comments up to snuff to assist a smooth transition when I do bolt. And that’s exactly what’s gonna happen to this company, with whoever they employ. A bitter employee that started on the wrong foot, and you’ll never get that person to do anything more that he/she “has” to do.

[Coronita]

[quote=BGinRB][quote=anxvariety]
He mentioned that the interviewees were letting it be known that they’d take 30-50% less than the usual salary[/quote]

Right, as observed.

[quote=fat_lazy_union_worker]
Um, yeah, and those are probably some of the same small companies that in good times try to convince people to take a 30-50% pay cut in return for as much “pre-ipo toilet paper stock certificates”….. and wonder why it’s so difficult to hire good talent or why their development/projects suck egg. I have not seen a company succeed in the long run primarily driven by cost cutting and finding the cheapest “labor” of development. Doing so infers they aren’t really building anything that cannot be easily done by someone else, and hence really lack a barrier to entry and competition. If that isn’t a warning sign of how you’re valued even before you show up for work, guess what happens when you do show up for work.
[/quote]

Agreed, but irrelevant. The sad part is that the candidates were aware of all that (it was a LAMP stack webdev, not an IT position). The incident reminded me of late 2002/early 2003 when people with established careers and decade(s) of experience were just looking for something to tide them over and were taking 50% pay cut.

[/quote]

You know, there is nothing wrong with candidates who are willing to take a paycut.

I mean, different people have different needs. When one has a family to feed, one often has to dig a ditch for the family so to speak versus someone single for example.And there might be situations like this. Hopefully for those folks, though, it’s only temporary.

On the other hand, there are some people that will routinely sell themselves short, out of desperation.. I don’t know, I guess it’s more mental.

I can say that anyone that takes that position knowingly 30-50% below market will quickly bolt when a better position turns up, making a net loss on the company that employs them anyway. And if I were that person, I wouldn’t be keeping all my design docs/information/code comments up to snuff to assist a smooth transition when I do bolt. And that’s exactly what’s gonna happen to this company, with whoever they employ. A bitter employee that started on the wrong foot, and you’ll never get that person to do anything more that he/she “has” to do.

[Coronita]

[quote]
Mechanics and house cleaning folks – just as examples – don’t have to worry because obviously they have to be “on site” to do their jobs. Likewise, jobs that require direct relationships won’t go anywhere either – for example, face-to-face sales.
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If you look at it this way, everything can technically be “outsourced/insourced”

Why hasn’t a company/stealerships in San Diego offered to flatbed a group of cars down to Mexico to have them serviced, give customers a bunch of 1-day loaner cars, and flatbedded them back. I’m sure from a cost perspective, it might make sense…Probably, one of the major considerations is the logistics.

There is a logistics issue on whenever one outsources/insources. It depends on whether the logistics PITA outweigh the cost benefit. 16+ hr time zone difference is a major logistics issue, especially for development that needs to be done is “fuzzy”. Opening a satellite office to do design and development is completely different, and there isn’t anything wrong with that. Innovation needs to happen at more than one location.

BTW doing business with some countries, you cannot have employees/data located somewhere else. China is one of them. So for some companies that want to enter some markets, you have to have a staff overseas.

Technically, house cleaning (and gardening) for the most part is already “insourced”. Cheaper labor is brought into the country to do this (albeit illegal in most cases).

Question: Anyone want to comment if radiologists are being outsourced to overseas doctors??? Don’t now. But that seems like to be a possibility. Anything seems to be a possibility with this outsourcing fear.

[Coronita]

[quote]
Mechanics and house cleaning folks – just as examples – don’t have to worry because obviously they have to be “on site” to do their jobs. Likewise, jobs that require direct relationships won’t go anywhere either – for example, face-to-face sales.
[/quote]

If you look at it this way, everything can technically be “outsourced/insourced”

Why hasn’t a company/stealerships in San Diego offered to flatbed a group of cars down to Mexico to have them serviced, give customers a bunch of 1-day loaner cars, and flatbedded them back. I’m sure from a cost perspective, it might make sense…Probably, one of the major considerations is the logistics.

There is a logistics issue on whenever one outsources/insources. It depends on whether the logistics PITA outweigh the cost benefit. 16+ hr time zone difference is a major logistics issue, especially for development that needs to be done is “fuzzy”. Opening a satellite office to do design and development is completely different, and there isn’t anything wrong with that. Innovation needs to happen at more than one location.

BTW doing business with some countries, you cannot have employees/data located somewhere else. China is one of them. So for some companies that want to enter some markets, you have to have a staff overseas.

Technically, house cleaning (and gardening) for the most part is already “insourced”. Cheaper labor is brought into the country to do this (albeit illegal in most cases).

Question: Anyone want to comment if radiologists are being outsourced to overseas doctors??? Don’t now. But that seems like to be a possibility. Anything seems to be a possibility with this outsourcing fear.

[Coronita]

[quote]
Mechanics and house cleaning folks – just as examples – don’t have to worry because obviously they have to be “on site” to do their jobs. Likewise, jobs that require direct relationships won’t go anywhere either – for example, face-to-face sales.
[/quote]

If you look at it this way, everything can technically be “outsourced/insourced”

Why hasn’t a company/stealerships in San Diego offered to flatbed a group of cars down to Mexico to have them serviced, give customers a bunch of 1-day loaner cars, and flatbedded them back. I’m sure from a cost perspective, it might make sense…Probably, one of the major considerations is the logistics.

There is a logistics issue on whenever one outsources/insources. It depends on whether the logistics PITA outweigh the cost benefit. 16+ hr time zone difference is a major logistics issue, especially for development that needs to be done is “fuzzy”. Opening a satellite office to do design and development is completely different, and there isn’t anything wrong with that. Innovation needs to happen at more than one location.

BTW doing business with some countries, you cannot have employees/data located somewhere else. China is one of them. So for some companies that want to enter some markets, you have to have a staff overseas.

Technically, house cleaning (and gardening) for the most part is already “insourced”. Cheaper labor is brought into the country to do this (albeit illegal in most cases).

Question: Anyone want to comment if radiologists are being outsourced to overseas doctors??? Don’t now. But that seems like to be a possibility. Anything seems to be a possibility with this outsourcing fear.

[Coronita]

[quote]
Mechanics and house cleaning folks – just as examples – don’t have to worry because obviously they have to be “on site” to do their jobs. Likewise, jobs that require direct relationships won’t go anywhere either – for example, face-to-face sales.
[/quote]

If you look at it this way, everything can technically be “outsourced/insourced”

Why hasn’t a company/stealerships in San Diego offered to flatbed a group of cars down to Mexico to have them serviced, give customers a bunch of 1-day loaner cars, and flatbedded them back. I’m sure from a cost perspective, it might make sense…Probably, one of the major considerations is the logistics.

There is a logistics issue on whenever one outsources/insources. It depends on whether the logistics PITA outweigh the cost benefit. 16+ hr time zone difference is a major logistics issue, especially for development that needs to be done is “fuzzy”. Opening a satellite office to do design and development is completely different, and there isn’t anything wrong with that. Innovation needs to happen at more than one location.

BTW doing business with some countries, you cannot have employees/data located somewhere else. China is one of them. So for some companies that want to enter some markets, you have to have a staff overseas.

Technically, house cleaning (and gardening) for the most part is already “insourced”. Cheaper labor is brought into the country to do this (albeit illegal in most cases).

Question: Anyone want to comment if radiologists are being outsourced to overseas doctors??? Don’t now. But that seems like to be a possibility. Anything seems to be a possibility with this outsourcing fear.

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