How’s the IT Job Market?

[sdduuuude]

Anx – even if you are in another state, try those old bosses anyway. They may be happy to hear from you and people know people all over. I know several people in Denver in my industry and I’m in SD. In fact, I may even need a perl person in a few months there.

If you are really in the top 20% (and I have no reason to belieive you aren’t), people are happy to help and hear from you. Even 1 introduction to someone to have lunch with gives you a boost, even if they aren’t hiring or even if they are in the wrong industry.

[Scarlett]

[quote=sdduuuude]If you are in academia and have never worked in the industry, I’d say you are definitely not in the top 20%.

That isn’t to say you can’t be successful or move quickly to the top 20%.

Nothing substitutes for experience.[/quote]

Who says you can’t accumulate great experience in academia? I didn’t mean fresh out of grad school.

I know at least couple folks in UCSD that are Senior Programmers for at least 5-8 yrs and I consider them excellent. Some people like the laid back lifestyle of academia, the flexibility and the unbeatable benefits of academia and for them money is not an major consideration.

[Scarlett]

[quote=sdduuuude]If you are in academia and have never worked in the industry, I’d say you are definitely not in the top 20%.

That isn’t to say you can’t be successful or move quickly to the top 20%.

Nothing substitutes for experience.[/quote]

Who says you can’t accumulate great experience in academia? I didn’t mean fresh out of grad school.

I know at least couple folks in UCSD that are Senior Programmers for at least 5-8 yrs and I consider them excellent. Some people like the laid back lifestyle of academia, the flexibility and the unbeatable benefits of academia and for them money is not an major consideration.

[Scarlett]

[quote=sdduuuude]If you are in academia and have never worked in the industry, I’d say you are definitely not in the top 20%.

That isn’t to say you can’t be successful or move quickly to the top 20%.

Nothing substitutes for experience.[/quote]

Who says you can’t accumulate great experience in academia? I didn’t mean fresh out of grad school.

I know at least couple folks in UCSD that are Senior Programmers for at least 5-8 yrs and I consider them excellent. Some people like the laid back lifestyle of academia, the flexibility and the unbeatable benefits of academia and for them money is not an major consideration.

[Scarlett]

[quote=sdduuuude]If you are in academia and have never worked in the industry, I’d say you are definitely not in the top 20%.

That isn’t to say you can’t be successful or move quickly to the top 20%.

Nothing substitutes for experience.[/quote]

Who says you can’t accumulate great experience in academia? I didn’t mean fresh out of grad school.

I know at least couple folks in UCSD that are Senior Programmers for at least 5-8 yrs and I consider them excellent. Some people like the laid back lifestyle of academia, the flexibility and the unbeatable benefits of academia and for them money is not an major consideration.

[Scarlett]

[quote=sdduuuude]If you are in academia and have never worked in the industry, I’d say you are definitely not in the top 20%.

That isn’t to say you can’t be successful or move quickly to the top 20%.

Nothing substitutes for experience.[/quote]

Who says you can’t accumulate great experience in academia? I didn’t mean fresh out of grad school.

I know at least couple folks in UCSD that are Senior Programmers for at least 5-8 yrs and I consider them excellent. Some people like the laid back lifestyle of academia, the flexibility and the unbeatable benefits of academia and for them money is not an major consideration.

[sdduuuude]

Well, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.

Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.

Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.

[sdduuuude]

Well, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.

Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.

Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.

[sdduuuude]

Well, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.

Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.

Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.

[sdduuuude]

Well, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.

Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.

Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.

[sdduuuude]

Well, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.

Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.

Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.

[paramount]

UCGal your comments are only meant to stroke your own ego IMO. At the end of the day it’s all about delivering information and yes IT is a big umbrella that it sounds like you fit under.

IMO no one should call themselves an Engineer unless they fall into one of the following categories:

1. They are a gov’t licensed Engineer (EIT/FE or PE)

2. They graduated with an Engineering degree from an ABET accredited engineering program

3. Or a graduated from an Elite University or Institution with an engineering degree (sorry, UCSD doesn’t count as an elite university)

[paramount]

UCGal your comments are only meant to stroke your own ego IMO. At the end of the day it’s all about delivering information and yes IT is a big umbrella that it sounds like you fit under.

IMO no one should call themselves an Engineer unless they fall into one of the following categories:

1. They are a gov’t licensed Engineer (EIT/FE or PE)

2. They graduated with an Engineering degree from an ABET accredited engineering program

3. Or a graduated from an Elite University or Institution with an engineering degree (sorry, UCSD doesn’t count as an elite university)

[paramount]

UCGal your comments are only meant to stroke your own ego IMO. At the end of the day it’s all about delivering information and yes IT is a big umbrella that it sounds like you fit under.

IMO no one should call themselves an Engineer unless they fall into one of the following categories:

1. They are a gov’t licensed Engineer (EIT/FE or PE)

2. They graduated with an Engineering degree from an ABET accredited engineering program

3. Or a graduated from an Elite University or Institution with an engineering degree (sorry, UCSD doesn’t count as an elite university)

[paramount]

UCGal your comments are only meant to stroke your own ego IMO. At the end of the day it’s all about delivering information and yes IT is a big umbrella that it sounds like you fit under.

IMO no one should call themselves an Engineer unless they fall into one of the following categories:

1. They are a gov’t licensed Engineer (EIT/FE or PE)

2. They graduated with an Engineering degree from an ABET accredited engineering program

3. Or a graduated from an Elite University or Institution with an engineering degree (sorry, UCSD doesn’t count as an elite university)

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