How’s the IT Job Market?

[jpinpb]

dd123 – would it be inappropriate to ask what company? I’m very curious who is looking for good IT people. Thanks.

[CardiffBaseball]

Supporting major ERP apps or things like Peoplesoft seems to be fairly stable.

You can outsource some things, but you still need people here close to the user base who can effectively communicate. Also packages like Websphere/Weblogic/Tibco aren’t bad either.

Now the tough part is you if don’t have the experience you have to find someone willing to train you which means looking at your background to see if you have the skills that would transfer.

Now Indians can do some of this work, but not all. It requires onshore and offshore resources working in tandem.

[CardiffBaseball]

Supporting major ERP apps or things like Peoplesoft seems to be fairly stable.

You can outsource some things, but you still need people here close to the user base who can effectively communicate. Also packages like Websphere/Weblogic/Tibco aren’t bad either.

Now the tough part is you if don’t have the experience you have to find someone willing to train you which means looking at your background to see if you have the skills that would transfer.

Now Indians can do some of this work, but not all. It requires onshore and offshore resources working in tandem.

[CardiffBaseball]

Supporting major ERP apps or things like Peoplesoft seems to be fairly stable.

You can outsource some things, but you still need people here close to the user base who can effectively communicate. Also packages like Websphere/Weblogic/Tibco aren’t bad either.

Now the tough part is you if don’t have the experience you have to find someone willing to train you which means looking at your background to see if you have the skills that would transfer.

Now Indians can do some of this work, but not all. It requires onshore and offshore resources working in tandem.

[CardiffBaseball]

Supporting major ERP apps or things like Peoplesoft seems to be fairly stable.

You can outsource some things, but you still need people here close to the user base who can effectively communicate. Also packages like Websphere/Weblogic/Tibco aren’t bad either.

Now the tough part is you if don’t have the experience you have to find someone willing to train you which means looking at your background to see if you have the skills that would transfer.

Now Indians can do some of this work, but not all. It requires onshore and offshore resources working in tandem.

[CardiffBaseball]

Supporting major ERP apps or things like Peoplesoft seems to be fairly stable.

You can outsource some things, but you still need people here close to the user base who can effectively communicate. Also packages like Websphere/Weblogic/Tibco aren’t bad either.

Now the tough part is you if don’t have the experience you have to find someone willing to train you which means looking at your background to see if you have the skills that would transfer.

Now Indians can do some of this work, but not all. It requires onshore and offshore resources working in tandem.

[4plexowner]

“Recruiters are like Realtors of the IT world – bottom feeders that will suck the life out of you among other things. ”

I contracted as a software engineer for 7 years – I found that there were two distinctly different interactions with recruiters after sending them my resume

1. the recruiter has a position for which I am possibly qualified: the recruiter talks about the specific job and my interest / qualifications for that job

2. the recruiter is building their book of resumes: the recruiter insists that I need to come in and fill out some paperwork before they can even consider any possible positions for me

After wasting my time and energy on #2 a few times I got smart – when faced with situation #2 I would politely decline to come in and, if pushed, would explain the difference between #1 and #2

A recruiter makes their money by placing you in a job – they aren’t going to blow you off because you didn’t come in and fill out their paperwork – if they really have a position that you might be qualified for they will be talking about that position

Perhaps some of your negative attitude towards recruiters comes from wasting time and energy on #2

[4plexowner]

“Recruiters are like Realtors of the IT world – bottom feeders that will suck the life out of you among other things. ”

I contracted as a software engineer for 7 years – I found that there were two distinctly different interactions with recruiters after sending them my resume

1. the recruiter has a position for which I am possibly qualified: the recruiter talks about the specific job and my interest / qualifications for that job

2. the recruiter is building their book of resumes: the recruiter insists that I need to come in and fill out some paperwork before they can even consider any possible positions for me

After wasting my time and energy on #2 a few times I got smart – when faced with situation #2 I would politely decline to come in and, if pushed, would explain the difference between #1 and #2

A recruiter makes their money by placing you in a job – they aren’t going to blow you off because you didn’t come in and fill out their paperwork – if they really have a position that you might be qualified for they will be talking about that position

Perhaps some of your negative attitude towards recruiters comes from wasting time and energy on #2

[4plexowner]

“Recruiters are like Realtors of the IT world – bottom feeders that will suck the life out of you among other things. ”

I contracted as a software engineer for 7 years – I found that there were two distinctly different interactions with recruiters after sending them my resume

1. the recruiter has a position for which I am possibly qualified: the recruiter talks about the specific job and my interest / qualifications for that job

2. the recruiter is building their book of resumes: the recruiter insists that I need to come in and fill out some paperwork before they can even consider any possible positions for me

After wasting my time and energy on #2 a few times I got smart – when faced with situation #2 I would politely decline to come in and, if pushed, would explain the difference between #1 and #2

A recruiter makes their money by placing you in a job – they aren’t going to blow you off because you didn’t come in and fill out their paperwork – if they really have a position that you might be qualified for they will be talking about that position

Perhaps some of your negative attitude towards recruiters comes from wasting time and energy on #2

[4plexowner]

“Recruiters are like Realtors of the IT world – bottom feeders that will suck the life out of you among other things. ”

I contracted as a software engineer for 7 years – I found that there were two distinctly different interactions with recruiters after sending them my resume

1. the recruiter has a position for which I am possibly qualified: the recruiter talks about the specific job and my interest / qualifications for that job

2. the recruiter is building their book of resumes: the recruiter insists that I need to come in and fill out some paperwork before they can even consider any possible positions for me

After wasting my time and energy on #2 a few times I got smart – when faced with situation #2 I would politely decline to come in and, if pushed, would explain the difference between #1 and #2

A recruiter makes their money by placing you in a job – they aren’t going to blow you off because you didn’t come in and fill out their paperwork – if they really have a position that you might be qualified for they will be talking about that position

Perhaps some of your negative attitude towards recruiters comes from wasting time and energy on #2

[4plexowner]

“Recruiters are like Realtors of the IT world – bottom feeders that will suck the life out of you among other things. ”

I contracted as a software engineer for 7 years – I found that there were two distinctly different interactions with recruiters after sending them my resume

1. the recruiter has a position for which I am possibly qualified: the recruiter talks about the specific job and my interest / qualifications for that job

2. the recruiter is building their book of resumes: the recruiter insists that I need to come in and fill out some paperwork before they can even consider any possible positions for me

After wasting my time and energy on #2 a few times I got smart – when faced with situation #2 I would politely decline to come in and, if pushed, would explain the difference between #1 and #2

A recruiter makes their money by placing you in a job – they aren’t going to blow you off because you didn’t come in and fill out their paperwork – if they really have a position that you might be qualified for they will be talking about that position

Perhaps some of your negative attitude towards recruiters comes from wasting time and energy on #2

[anxvariety]

Wow, I come back and it’s 2 pages long.

I’ve never had trouble getting a job… I’d guess I’ve gone on 8 interviews and gotten 7 jobs, that is until lately.

My last job I got by making a posting on Craigslist writing about all the things I didn’t like about the software industry. So 2 weeks later I got a reply to it… he asked me to come in, they might have a position for me. Once I showed up, the guy who was doing the hiring was like “lets talk money”. After a while he said, “you know it’s less about money and more about liking where you work”… so I started to think this company wasn’t serious. Next, I met with the owner I told him I’d work for minimum wage for 3 months to prove myself, if he gave me a high potential assessment after that 3 months. So he said, no don’t take minimum wage – take $XX,XXX/yr and after 3 months if you’re good we’ll give you $XXX,XXX/yr. After 3 months they were happy to give me the $XXX,XXX pay without a question.

Problem with the positions I’m looking at these days – it seems like alot of them have been burned by folks because they’re asking for technical interviews, code samples etc.. I am never willing to do those before first talking to the place to see what they’re about. One place wanted me to send code from a project I worked on… I thought they’d respect the fact that I said I needed permission before sending code, but they were just rude about it.

We’ll see how the search goes this new year.

Thanks for all the tips and insights.

[anxvariety]

Wow, I come back and it’s 2 pages long.

I’ve never had trouble getting a job… I’d guess I’ve gone on 8 interviews and gotten 7 jobs, that is until lately.

My last job I got by making a posting on Craigslist writing about all the things I didn’t like about the software industry. So 2 weeks later I got a reply to it… he asked me to come in, they might have a position for me. Once I showed up, the guy who was doing the hiring was like “lets talk money”. After a while he said, “you know it’s less about money and more about liking where you work”… so I started to think this company wasn’t serious. Next, I met with the owner I told him I’d work for minimum wage for 3 months to prove myself, if he gave me a high potential assessment after that 3 months. So he said, no don’t take minimum wage – take $XX,XXX/yr and after 3 months if you’re good we’ll give you $XXX,XXX/yr. After 3 months they were happy to give me the $XXX,XXX pay without a question.

Problem with the positions I’m looking at these days – it seems like alot of them have been burned by folks because they’re asking for technical interviews, code samples etc.. I am never willing to do those before first talking to the place to see what they’re about. One place wanted me to send code from a project I worked on… I thought they’d respect the fact that I said I needed permission before sending code, but they were just rude about it.

We’ll see how the search goes this new year.

Thanks for all the tips and insights.

[anxvariety]

Wow, I come back and it’s 2 pages long.

I’ve never had trouble getting a job… I’d guess I’ve gone on 8 interviews and gotten 7 jobs, that is until lately.

My last job I got by making a posting on Craigslist writing about all the things I didn’t like about the software industry. So 2 weeks later I got a reply to it… he asked me to come in, they might have a position for me. Once I showed up, the guy who was doing the hiring was like “lets talk money”. After a while he said, “you know it’s less about money and more about liking where you work”… so I started to think this company wasn’t serious. Next, I met with the owner I told him I’d work for minimum wage for 3 months to prove myself, if he gave me a high potential assessment after that 3 months. So he said, no don’t take minimum wage – take $XX,XXX/yr and after 3 months if you’re good we’ll give you $XXX,XXX/yr. After 3 months they were happy to give me the $XXX,XXX pay without a question.

Problem with the positions I’m looking at these days – it seems like alot of them have been burned by folks because they’re asking for technical interviews, code samples etc.. I am never willing to do those before first talking to the place to see what they’re about. One place wanted me to send code from a project I worked on… I thought they’d respect the fact that I said I needed permission before sending code, but they were just rude about it.

We’ll see how the search goes this new year.

Thanks for all the tips and insights.

[anxvariety]

Wow, I come back and it’s 2 pages long.

I’ve never had trouble getting a job… I’d guess I’ve gone on 8 interviews and gotten 7 jobs, that is until lately.

My last job I got by making a posting on Craigslist writing about all the things I didn’t like about the software industry. So 2 weeks later I got a reply to it… he asked me to come in, they might have a position for me. Once I showed up, the guy who was doing the hiring was like “lets talk money”. After a while he said, “you know it’s less about money and more about liking where you work”… so I started to think this company wasn’t serious. Next, I met with the owner I told him I’d work for minimum wage for 3 months to prove myself, if he gave me a high potential assessment after that 3 months. So he said, no don’t take minimum wage – take $XX,XXX/yr and after 3 months if you’re good we’ll give you $XXX,XXX/yr. After 3 months they were happy to give me the $XXX,XXX pay without a question.

Problem with the positions I’m looking at these days – it seems like alot of them have been burned by folks because they’re asking for technical interviews, code samples etc.. I am never willing to do those before first talking to the place to see what they’re about. One place wanted me to send code from a project I worked on… I thought they’d respect the fact that I said I needed permission before sending code, but they were just rude about it.

We’ll see how the search goes this new year.

Thanks for all the tips and insights.

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