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October 17, 2008 at 8:32 AM #14229October 17, 2008 at 9:38 AM #288593SD RealtorParticipant
One of the tougher things about the environment today is that we do not have a free market. All of the predictions about inventory growth have proven to be pretty much incorrect because of the government. The realization is that it is truly a rigged game and that the government will throw tax dollars at the problem. In the next 2 years I believe you will see the most extensive socialization ever with regards to housing. This will include substantial loan modifications in the form of low interest rates combined with or in addition to pricinpal reductions. This will occur primarly on loans purchased by the government. Also there is no 700B limit. Once the government purchases them and rewrites the loan the loan can then be resold and then more can be bought. Similarly 40B in loans per month will start to be purchased by the defunct GSEs.
This is the effort that the government will put forth to stem foreclosures. To be sure it will indeed reduce the flow but I do not see it halting depreciation. The economy will do a fine job at that and if/when unemployment kicks in there will be possible large chunks of depreciation. If the government can do a balancing act and keep the economy limping along without massive unemployment AND rewrite tons of loans then the depreciation will continue albeit at a more modest pace which is the goal here.
I do not see any stable ground at all. However considerations of hard assets at modest loan rates to hedge against inflation seems to be more on my mind lately although I do not see the interest rates really cranking for a long way off.
Banks are lending/loaning to people now. That is not the issue at all. Nor is inventory an issue at all either right now.
Again we are not in a free market as it pertains to real estate. I cannot emphasize that enough. This is the beginning, the very beginning of what will be substantial changes. This will not stop things yet it will lead to a more Japan style depreciation trend that resulted with a very long slow decline. If massive unemployment hits then all bets are off.
October 17, 2008 at 9:38 AM #288903SD RealtorParticipantOne of the tougher things about the environment today is that we do not have a free market. All of the predictions about inventory growth have proven to be pretty much incorrect because of the government. The realization is that it is truly a rigged game and that the government will throw tax dollars at the problem. In the next 2 years I believe you will see the most extensive socialization ever with regards to housing. This will include substantial loan modifications in the form of low interest rates combined with or in addition to pricinpal reductions. This will occur primarly on loans purchased by the government. Also there is no 700B limit. Once the government purchases them and rewrites the loan the loan can then be resold and then more can be bought. Similarly 40B in loans per month will start to be purchased by the defunct GSEs.
This is the effort that the government will put forth to stem foreclosures. To be sure it will indeed reduce the flow but I do not see it halting depreciation. The economy will do a fine job at that and if/when unemployment kicks in there will be possible large chunks of depreciation. If the government can do a balancing act and keep the economy limping along without massive unemployment AND rewrite tons of loans then the depreciation will continue albeit at a more modest pace which is the goal here.
I do not see any stable ground at all. However considerations of hard assets at modest loan rates to hedge against inflation seems to be more on my mind lately although I do not see the interest rates really cranking for a long way off.
Banks are lending/loaning to people now. That is not the issue at all. Nor is inventory an issue at all either right now.
Again we are not in a free market as it pertains to real estate. I cannot emphasize that enough. This is the beginning, the very beginning of what will be substantial changes. This will not stop things yet it will lead to a more Japan style depreciation trend that resulted with a very long slow decline. If massive unemployment hits then all bets are off.
October 17, 2008 at 9:38 AM #288914SD RealtorParticipantOne of the tougher things about the environment today is that we do not have a free market. All of the predictions about inventory growth have proven to be pretty much incorrect because of the government. The realization is that it is truly a rigged game and that the government will throw tax dollars at the problem. In the next 2 years I believe you will see the most extensive socialization ever with regards to housing. This will include substantial loan modifications in the form of low interest rates combined with or in addition to pricinpal reductions. This will occur primarly on loans purchased by the government. Also there is no 700B limit. Once the government purchases them and rewrites the loan the loan can then be resold and then more can be bought. Similarly 40B in loans per month will start to be purchased by the defunct GSEs.
This is the effort that the government will put forth to stem foreclosures. To be sure it will indeed reduce the flow but I do not see it halting depreciation. The economy will do a fine job at that and if/when unemployment kicks in there will be possible large chunks of depreciation. If the government can do a balancing act and keep the economy limping along without massive unemployment AND rewrite tons of loans then the depreciation will continue albeit at a more modest pace which is the goal here.
I do not see any stable ground at all. However considerations of hard assets at modest loan rates to hedge against inflation seems to be more on my mind lately although I do not see the interest rates really cranking for a long way off.
Banks are lending/loaning to people now. That is not the issue at all. Nor is inventory an issue at all either right now.
Again we are not in a free market as it pertains to real estate. I cannot emphasize that enough. This is the beginning, the very beginning of what will be substantial changes. This will not stop things yet it will lead to a more Japan style depreciation trend that resulted with a very long slow decline. If massive unemployment hits then all bets are off.
October 17, 2008 at 9:38 AM #288942SD RealtorParticipantOne of the tougher things about the environment today is that we do not have a free market. All of the predictions about inventory growth have proven to be pretty much incorrect because of the government. The realization is that it is truly a rigged game and that the government will throw tax dollars at the problem. In the next 2 years I believe you will see the most extensive socialization ever with regards to housing. This will include substantial loan modifications in the form of low interest rates combined with or in addition to pricinpal reductions. This will occur primarly on loans purchased by the government. Also there is no 700B limit. Once the government purchases them and rewrites the loan the loan can then be resold and then more can be bought. Similarly 40B in loans per month will start to be purchased by the defunct GSEs.
This is the effort that the government will put forth to stem foreclosures. To be sure it will indeed reduce the flow but I do not see it halting depreciation. The economy will do a fine job at that and if/when unemployment kicks in there will be possible large chunks of depreciation. If the government can do a balancing act and keep the economy limping along without massive unemployment AND rewrite tons of loans then the depreciation will continue albeit at a more modest pace which is the goal here.
I do not see any stable ground at all. However considerations of hard assets at modest loan rates to hedge against inflation seems to be more on my mind lately although I do not see the interest rates really cranking for a long way off.
Banks are lending/loaning to people now. That is not the issue at all. Nor is inventory an issue at all either right now.
Again we are not in a free market as it pertains to real estate. I cannot emphasize that enough. This is the beginning, the very beginning of what will be substantial changes. This will not stop things yet it will lead to a more Japan style depreciation trend that resulted with a very long slow decline. If massive unemployment hits then all bets are off.
October 17, 2008 at 9:38 AM #288946SD RealtorParticipantOne of the tougher things about the environment today is that we do not have a free market. All of the predictions about inventory growth have proven to be pretty much incorrect because of the government. The realization is that it is truly a rigged game and that the government will throw tax dollars at the problem. In the next 2 years I believe you will see the most extensive socialization ever with regards to housing. This will include substantial loan modifications in the form of low interest rates combined with or in addition to pricinpal reductions. This will occur primarly on loans purchased by the government. Also there is no 700B limit. Once the government purchases them and rewrites the loan the loan can then be resold and then more can be bought. Similarly 40B in loans per month will start to be purchased by the defunct GSEs.
This is the effort that the government will put forth to stem foreclosures. To be sure it will indeed reduce the flow but I do not see it halting depreciation. The economy will do a fine job at that and if/when unemployment kicks in there will be possible large chunks of depreciation. If the government can do a balancing act and keep the economy limping along without massive unemployment AND rewrite tons of loans then the depreciation will continue albeit at a more modest pace which is the goal here.
I do not see any stable ground at all. However considerations of hard assets at modest loan rates to hedge against inflation seems to be more on my mind lately although I do not see the interest rates really cranking for a long way off.
Banks are lending/loaning to people now. That is not the issue at all. Nor is inventory an issue at all either right now.
Again we are not in a free market as it pertains to real estate. I cannot emphasize that enough. This is the beginning, the very beginning of what will be substantial changes. This will not stop things yet it will lead to a more Japan style depreciation trend that resulted with a very long slow decline. If massive unemployment hits then all bets are off.
October 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM #289350LostCatParticipantSo at best, things will be flat. But really, things will tank…regardless of how many homes are on the market. So, if you own now, it’s a good idea to sell or try to then hold on?
October 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM #289348LostCatParticipantSo at best, things will be flat. But really, things will tank…regardless of how many homes are on the market. So, if you own now, it’s a good idea to sell or try to then hold on?
October 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM #289317LostCatParticipantSo at best, things will be flat. But really, things will tank…regardless of how many homes are on the market. So, if you own now, it’s a good idea to sell or try to then hold on?
October 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM #289309LostCatParticipantSo at best, things will be flat. But really, things will tank…regardless of how many homes are on the market. So, if you own now, it’s a good idea to sell or try to then hold on?
October 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM #289000LostCatParticipantSo at best, things will be flat. But really, things will tank…regardless of how many homes are on the market. So, if you own now, it’s a good idea to sell or try to then hold on?
October 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM #289324gandalfParticipantSD Realtor, your posts are almost always good.
What’s your read on buyer sentiment right now? I think mass psychology has a lot to do with bubbles, so am curious if you have any off-the-cuff thoughts given past few weeks.
Also curious, who’s buying right now? Owner-occupied? Fence-sitters? Investors looking for bargains? Investors looking for shelter? Any difference between local banks and national in terms of lending activity?
Business side, we’re getting all kinds of attention from our bankers that we never used to get. There’s my random anecdote-of-the-day.
October 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM #289332gandalfParticipantSD Realtor, your posts are almost always good.
What’s your read on buyer sentiment right now? I think mass psychology has a lot to do with bubbles, so am curious if you have any off-the-cuff thoughts given past few weeks.
Also curious, who’s buying right now? Owner-occupied? Fence-sitters? Investors looking for bargains? Investors looking for shelter? Any difference between local banks and national in terms of lending activity?
Business side, we’re getting all kinds of attention from our bankers that we never used to get. There’s my random anecdote-of-the-day.
October 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM #289016gandalfParticipantSD Realtor, your posts are almost always good.
What’s your read on buyer sentiment right now? I think mass psychology has a lot to do with bubbles, so am curious if you have any off-the-cuff thoughts given past few weeks.
Also curious, who’s buying right now? Owner-occupied? Fence-sitters? Investors looking for bargains? Investors looking for shelter? Any difference between local banks and national in terms of lending activity?
Business side, we’re getting all kinds of attention from our bankers that we never used to get. There’s my random anecdote-of-the-day.
October 17, 2008 at 4:21 PM #289362gandalfParticipantSD Realtor, your posts are almost always good.
What’s your read on buyer sentiment right now? I think mass psychology has a lot to do with bubbles, so am curious if you have any off-the-cuff thoughts given past few weeks.
Also curious, who’s buying right now? Owner-occupied? Fence-sitters? Investors looking for bargains? Investors looking for shelter? Any difference between local banks and national in terms of lending activity?
Business side, we’re getting all kinds of attention from our bankers that we never used to get. There’s my random anecdote-of-the-day.
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