House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat.

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Here’s some Marxist propaganda from that communist cable station PBS.

View the jokumentary
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/view/

Read the excerpts from Pravda
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/countries/

The one statement that stands out is that the US won’t look to answers from those who do it better. Perhaps if the movers and shakers learned to eat humble pie, it wouldn’t need to be crammed down anyone’s throat.

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I do not like most of Obama’s medical plan, feeling myself that what is needed is a purchase pool for self employed or small businesses to buy into health insurance like big businesses, possibly an expansion of the community clinics, where non critical ER visitors would be sent to accommodate the poor and a move away from seeing insurance as the “way we pay for health care” to insurance against more serious problems or costs.

I would like to see changes made to the practice of digging into those who are seriously ill to find loopholes allowing the insurance to deny care after accepting the insured and am strongly against fines or mandates, particularly when I have not been first told how much this mandatory coverage will cost.

What is not being said in all of this is the simple fact that medical care is way out of line with most incomes and one way or another most cannot afford much care.

[GH]

I do not like most of Obama’s medical plan, feeling myself that what is needed is a purchase pool for self employed or small businesses to buy into health insurance like big businesses, possibly an expansion of the community clinics, where non critical ER visitors would be sent to accommodate the poor and a move away from seeing insurance as the “way we pay for health care” to insurance against more serious problems or costs.

I would like to see changes made to the practice of digging into those who are seriously ill to find loopholes allowing the insurance to deny care after accepting the insured and am strongly against fines or mandates, particularly when I have not been first told how much this mandatory coverage will cost.

What is not being said in all of this is the simple fact that medical care is way out of line with most incomes and one way or another most cannot afford much care.

[GH]

I do not like most of Obama’s medical plan, feeling myself that what is needed is a purchase pool for self employed or small businesses to buy into health insurance like big businesses, possibly an expansion of the community clinics, where non critical ER visitors would be sent to accommodate the poor and a move away from seeing insurance as the “way we pay for health care” to insurance against more serious problems or costs.

I would like to see changes made to the practice of digging into those who are seriously ill to find loopholes allowing the insurance to deny care after accepting the insured and am strongly against fines or mandates, particularly when I have not been first told how much this mandatory coverage will cost.

What is not being said in all of this is the simple fact that medical care is way out of line with most incomes and one way or another most cannot afford much care.

[GH]

I do not like most of Obama’s medical plan, feeling myself that what is needed is a purchase pool for self employed or small businesses to buy into health insurance like big businesses, possibly an expansion of the community clinics, where non critical ER visitors would be sent to accommodate the poor and a move away from seeing insurance as the “way we pay for health care” to insurance against more serious problems or costs.

I would like to see changes made to the practice of digging into those who are seriously ill to find loopholes allowing the insurance to deny care after accepting the insured and am strongly against fines or mandates, particularly when I have not been first told how much this mandatory coverage will cost.

What is not being said in all of this is the simple fact that medical care is way out of line with most incomes and one way or another most cannot afford much care.

[GH]

I do not like most of Obama’s medical plan, feeling myself that what is needed is a purchase pool for self employed or small businesses to buy into health insurance like big businesses, possibly an expansion of the community clinics, where non critical ER visitors would be sent to accommodate the poor and a move away from seeing insurance as the “way we pay for health care” to insurance against more serious problems or costs.

I would like to see changes made to the practice of digging into those who are seriously ill to find loopholes allowing the insurance to deny care after accepting the insured and am strongly against fines or mandates, particularly when I have not been first told how much this mandatory coverage will cost.

What is not being said in all of this is the simple fact that medical care is way out of line with most incomes and one way or another most cannot afford much care.

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CardiffBaseball – care to share the name of your dentist?

[quote=SK in CV]
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies. [/quote]

That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?

[jpinpb]

CardiffBaseball – care to share the name of your dentist?

[quote=SK in CV]
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies. [/quote]

That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?

[jpinpb]

CardiffBaseball – care to share the name of your dentist?

[quote=SK in CV]
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies. [/quote]

That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?

[jpinpb]

CardiffBaseball – care to share the name of your dentist?

[quote=SK in CV]
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies. [/quote]

That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?

[jpinpb]

CardiffBaseball – care to share the name of your dentist?

[quote=SK in CV]
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies. [/quote]

That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]
That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?[/quote]

Medical care for UK residents (which is true socialized medicine) is generally all provided under the NHS without charge. (I’m not sure about prescription drugs). In Canada, (which is NOT socialized medicine) insurance is paid for either through direct premiums, sales taxes, payroll taxes or a combination of those (it varies by province). Coverage includes most all care, though there are some exclusions for medical supplies and DME. Where it differs from the UK is that in the UK, doctors work for the NHS, in Canada, they do not work for the government. I do believe they still have price controls for both physician services and pharmaceuticals.

Neither current plans in congress call for similar price controls. The plans currently being discussed would be significantly more dissimilar to socialized medicine than is Medicare.

Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]
That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?[/quote]

Medical care for UK residents (which is true socialized medicine) is generally all provided under the NHS without charge. (I’m not sure about prescription drugs). In Canada, (which is NOT socialized medicine) insurance is paid for either through direct premiums, sales taxes, payroll taxes or a combination of those (it varies by province). Coverage includes most all care, though there are some exclusions for medical supplies and DME. Where it differs from the UK is that in the UK, doctors work for the NHS, in Canada, they do not work for the government. I do believe they still have price controls for both physician services and pharmaceuticals.

Neither current plans in congress call for similar price controls. The plans currently being discussed would be significantly more dissimilar to socialized medicine than is Medicare.

Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]
That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?[/quote]

Medical care for UK residents (which is true socialized medicine) is generally all provided under the NHS without charge. (I’m not sure about prescription drugs). In Canada, (which is NOT socialized medicine) insurance is paid for either through direct premiums, sales taxes, payroll taxes or a combination of those (it varies by province). Coverage includes most all care, though there are some exclusions for medical supplies and DME. Where it differs from the UK is that in the UK, doctors work for the NHS, in Canada, they do not work for the government. I do believe they still have price controls for both physician services and pharmaceuticals.

Neither current plans in congress call for similar price controls. The plans currently being discussed would be significantly more dissimilar to socialized medicine than is Medicare.

Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jpinpb]
That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.

An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?[/quote]

Medical care for UK residents (which is true socialized medicine) is generally all provided under the NHS without charge. (I’m not sure about prescription drugs). In Canada, (which is NOT socialized medicine) insurance is paid for either through direct premiums, sales taxes, payroll taxes or a combination of those (it varies by province). Coverage includes most all care, though there are some exclusions for medical supplies and DME. Where it differs from the UK is that in the UK, doctors work for the NHS, in Canada, they do not work for the government. I do believe they still have price controls for both physician services and pharmaceuticals.

Neither current plans in congress call for similar price controls. The plans currently being discussed would be significantly more dissimilar to socialized medicine than is Medicare.

Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.

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