House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat.

[sd_matt]

[quote=mike92104][quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?[/quote]

Touche

Afghanistan I can justify. Iraq no.

And does one parties bad spending habits justify another’s? If that is your argument then I can find an nine year old to blog “well he did it!!!…”

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[sd_matt]

[quote=briansd1][quote=meadandale]
But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.[/quote]

There’s no way around it if you want the population to be healthier. It’s something that we just have to get used to.

Some people don’t send any kids to school, but they still pay property taxes and Mello Roos.

If you don’t drive, do you think that bridges and highways should be funded?[/quote]

Last time I checked roads were built with DMV fees and gasoline taxes. If I am wrong then I’m wrong. But that is the way it should be…not an argument to justify more control by a very incompetent government.

Let people decide for themselves to be healthy or unhealthy.

Whoever said your indoctrinated is right. You refuse to say whether or not you think those in Congress are competent.

And if you do acknowledge that they are incompetent then you are outright insane since you want them to handle your health care.

[CardiffBaseball]

As a thread-jacking, I am nearly complete on a 3 trip visit to TJ for Dentistry.

I didn’t have the cash anyway so it’s all being charged. 15 years of no visits to the Dentist will end up costing me about $2300-$2400.

– Two Root Canals, both needed Post, and Crowns.
– 4 or 5 Cavities that need filling
– Deep cleaning to rid get rid of the tartar buildup
– Another $200 or so to drill out and see if the last tooth was saveable or needed extraction, (close but root canal/crown was chosen).

So again the lack of visiting is on me.

What prompted this was my La Costa area dentist declaring I needed root-canal/post/crown bridge on two teeth, one of which had split. Obviously that needed crowned. These two teeth were going to be $2700 with insurance. If I add the cavities, deep cleaning and other side of my mouth I am well over $5000 now to get things right. So the TJ dentist saved me in a) saying the tooth did not need root-canal bridge ($1350 savings), and b) his costs were of course much lower.

No complaints, all pain is gone and I am waiting for the second crown, and to finish cleaning next week.

I enjoyed the procedure so much I am going to go down and get my nasty looking Varicose Vein done once I find a doc with some decent reviews. It’s terribly unsightly, and frankly causes me to wear jeans at times when I should have on shorts (i.e. when coaching). I understand that cleaning them up is much more simple than it used to be.

Back to the Dentist is us ADA certified and lives and has an office in Chula Vista as well. He said some of his clients simply don’t care about the savings in Mexico, so they stay stateside.

[CardiffBaseball]

As a thread-jacking, I am nearly complete on a 3 trip visit to TJ for Dentistry.

I didn’t have the cash anyway so it’s all being charged. 15 years of no visits to the Dentist will end up costing me about $2300-$2400.

– Two Root Canals, both needed Post, and Crowns.
– 4 or 5 Cavities that need filling
– Deep cleaning to rid get rid of the tartar buildup
– Another $200 or so to drill out and see if the last tooth was saveable or needed extraction, (close but root canal/crown was chosen).

So again the lack of visiting is on me.

What prompted this was my La Costa area dentist declaring I needed root-canal/post/crown bridge on two teeth, one of which had split. Obviously that needed crowned. These two teeth were going to be $2700 with insurance. If I add the cavities, deep cleaning and other side of my mouth I am well over $5000 now to get things right. So the TJ dentist saved me in a) saying the tooth did not need root-canal bridge ($1350 savings), and b) his costs were of course much lower.

No complaints, all pain is gone and I am waiting for the second crown, and to finish cleaning next week.

I enjoyed the procedure so much I am going to go down and get my nasty looking Varicose Vein done once I find a doc with some decent reviews. It’s terribly unsightly, and frankly causes me to wear jeans at times when I should have on shorts (i.e. when coaching). I understand that cleaning them up is much more simple than it used to be.

Back to the Dentist is us ADA certified and lives and has an office in Chula Vista as well. He said some of his clients simply don’t care about the savings in Mexico, so they stay stateside.

[CardiffBaseball]

As a thread-jacking, I am nearly complete on a 3 trip visit to TJ for Dentistry.

I didn’t have the cash anyway so it’s all being charged. 15 years of no visits to the Dentist will end up costing me about $2300-$2400.

– Two Root Canals, both needed Post, and Crowns.
– 4 or 5 Cavities that need filling
– Deep cleaning to rid get rid of the tartar buildup
– Another $200 or so to drill out and see if the last tooth was saveable or needed extraction, (close but root canal/crown was chosen).

So again the lack of visiting is on me.

What prompted this was my La Costa area dentist declaring I needed root-canal/post/crown bridge on two teeth, one of which had split. Obviously that needed crowned. These two teeth were going to be $2700 with insurance. If I add the cavities, deep cleaning and other side of my mouth I am well over $5000 now to get things right. So the TJ dentist saved me in a) saying the tooth did not need root-canal bridge ($1350 savings), and b) his costs were of course much lower.

No complaints, all pain is gone and I am waiting for the second crown, and to finish cleaning next week.

I enjoyed the procedure so much I am going to go down and get my nasty looking Varicose Vein done once I find a doc with some decent reviews. It’s terribly unsightly, and frankly causes me to wear jeans at times when I should have on shorts (i.e. when coaching). I understand that cleaning them up is much more simple than it used to be.

Back to the Dentist is us ADA certified and lives and has an office in Chula Vista as well. He said some of his clients simply don’t care about the savings in Mexico, so they stay stateside.

[CardiffBaseball]

As a thread-jacking, I am nearly complete on a 3 trip visit to TJ for Dentistry.

I didn’t have the cash anyway so it’s all being charged. 15 years of no visits to the Dentist will end up costing me about $2300-$2400.

– Two Root Canals, both needed Post, and Crowns.
– 4 or 5 Cavities that need filling
– Deep cleaning to rid get rid of the tartar buildup
– Another $200 or so to drill out and see if the last tooth was saveable or needed extraction, (close but root canal/crown was chosen).

So again the lack of visiting is on me.

What prompted this was my La Costa area dentist declaring I needed root-canal/post/crown bridge on two teeth, one of which had split. Obviously that needed crowned. These two teeth were going to be $2700 with insurance. If I add the cavities, deep cleaning and other side of my mouth I am well over $5000 now to get things right. So the TJ dentist saved me in a) saying the tooth did not need root-canal bridge ($1350 savings), and b) his costs were of course much lower.

No complaints, all pain is gone and I am waiting for the second crown, and to finish cleaning next week.

I enjoyed the procedure so much I am going to go down and get my nasty looking Varicose Vein done once I find a doc with some decent reviews. It’s terribly unsightly, and frankly causes me to wear jeans at times when I should have on shorts (i.e. when coaching). I understand that cleaning them up is much more simple than it used to be.

Back to the Dentist is us ADA certified and lives and has an office in Chula Vista as well. He said some of his clients simply don’t care about the savings in Mexico, so they stay stateside.

[CardiffBaseball]

As a thread-jacking, I am nearly complete on a 3 trip visit to TJ for Dentistry.

I didn’t have the cash anyway so it’s all being charged. 15 years of no visits to the Dentist will end up costing me about $2300-$2400.

– Two Root Canals, both needed Post, and Crowns.
– 4 or 5 Cavities that need filling
– Deep cleaning to rid get rid of the tartar buildup
– Another $200 or so to drill out and see if the last tooth was saveable or needed extraction, (close but root canal/crown was chosen).

So again the lack of visiting is on me.

What prompted this was my La Costa area dentist declaring I needed root-canal/post/crown bridge on two teeth, one of which had split. Obviously that needed crowned. These two teeth were going to be $2700 with insurance. If I add the cavities, deep cleaning and other side of my mouth I am well over $5000 now to get things right. So the TJ dentist saved me in a) saying the tooth did not need root-canal bridge ($1350 savings), and b) his costs were of course much lower.

No complaints, all pain is gone and I am waiting for the second crown, and to finish cleaning next week.

I enjoyed the procedure so much I am going to go down and get my nasty looking Varicose Vein done once I find a doc with some decent reviews. It’s terribly unsightly, and frankly causes me to wear jeans at times when I should have on shorts (i.e. when coaching). I understand that cleaning them up is much more simple than it used to be.

Back to the Dentist is us ADA certified and lives and has an office in Chula Vista as well. He said some of his clients simply don’t care about the savings in Mexico, so they stay stateside.

[ucodegen]

I know at Scripps Hospital, there’s a max of 4 patient per nurse (RN not LVN). Since you have first hand experience, can you elaborate on what’s the patient/RN ratio at your dad’s nursing home?

It was between 2 and 3. The Nursing home was structured for those that need more care than normal. I would need to see if I can find out if they were LVN or RN, or what was the ratio with RN. I suspect just a bit higher at 6 to 8 on RN only. They made it up with more LVNs.

I also said that the patient/RN ratio is only one reason why hospital have to charge more. I don’t run a hospital, so I can’t tell you what their costs are, but some hospital, like Scripps, are non profit, so there must be a reason why they’re charging the rate they are charging.

I have wondered about that too. I would like to see their internal cost structure. The room cost alone would support the wages for almost 13 additional RNs dedicated to only one person… so something is up. Non-profit is an interesting game.. there are churches that are running hospitals (ie. Glendale Adventists) and are registered as non-profit.. is this because they are affiliated with a church and proceeds go to the church? I repeat: I would really like to see the cost structure.. so little is discussed about the ‘room bill’ on a hospital.. and it is so large, quite often larger than the actual surgery bill and specific care surcharges.. and it is a black hole— literally.

If it’s so profitable to run a hospital as you trying to portray, then wouldn’t there be a lot more hospital propping up?

Simple.. and 2 words: Licensing and Insurance.

[ucodegen]

I know at Scripps Hospital, there’s a max of 4 patient per nurse (RN not LVN). Since you have first hand experience, can you elaborate on what’s the patient/RN ratio at your dad’s nursing home?

It was between 2 and 3. The Nursing home was structured for those that need more care than normal. I would need to see if I can find out if they were LVN or RN, or what was the ratio with RN. I suspect just a bit higher at 6 to 8 on RN only. They made it up with more LVNs.

I also said that the patient/RN ratio is only one reason why hospital have to charge more. I don’t run a hospital, so I can’t tell you what their costs are, but some hospital, like Scripps, are non profit, so there must be a reason why they’re charging the rate they are charging.

I have wondered about that too. I would like to see their internal cost structure. The room cost alone would support the wages for almost 13 additional RNs dedicated to only one person… so something is up. Non-profit is an interesting game.. there are churches that are running hospitals (ie. Glendale Adventists) and are registered as non-profit.. is this because they are affiliated with a church and proceeds go to the church? I repeat: I would really like to see the cost structure.. so little is discussed about the ‘room bill’ on a hospital.. and it is so large, quite often larger than the actual surgery bill and specific care surcharges.. and it is a black hole— literally.

If it’s so profitable to run a hospital as you trying to portray, then wouldn’t there be a lot more hospital propping up?

Simple.. and 2 words: Licensing and Insurance.

[ucodegen]

I know at Scripps Hospital, there’s a max of 4 patient per nurse (RN not LVN). Since you have first hand experience, can you elaborate on what’s the patient/RN ratio at your dad’s nursing home?

It was between 2 and 3. The Nursing home was structured for those that need more care than normal. I would need to see if I can find out if they were LVN or RN, or what was the ratio with RN. I suspect just a bit higher at 6 to 8 on RN only. They made it up with more LVNs.

I also said that the patient/RN ratio is only one reason why hospital have to charge more. I don’t run a hospital, so I can’t tell you what their costs are, but some hospital, like Scripps, are non profit, so there must be a reason why they’re charging the rate they are charging.

I have wondered about that too. I would like to see their internal cost structure. The room cost alone would support the wages for almost 13 additional RNs dedicated to only one person… so something is up. Non-profit is an interesting game.. there are churches that are running hospitals (ie. Glendale Adventists) and are registered as non-profit.. is this because they are affiliated with a church and proceeds go to the church? I repeat: I would really like to see the cost structure.. so little is discussed about the ‘room bill’ on a hospital.. and it is so large, quite often larger than the actual surgery bill and specific care surcharges.. and it is a black hole— literally.

If it’s so profitable to run a hospital as you trying to portray, then wouldn’t there be a lot more hospital propping up?

Simple.. and 2 words: Licensing and Insurance.

[ucodegen]

I know at Scripps Hospital, there’s a max of 4 patient per nurse (RN not LVN). Since you have first hand experience, can you elaborate on what’s the patient/RN ratio at your dad’s nursing home?

It was between 2 and 3. The Nursing home was structured for those that need more care than normal. I would need to see if I can find out if they were LVN or RN, or what was the ratio with RN. I suspect just a bit higher at 6 to 8 on RN only. They made it up with more LVNs.

I also said that the patient/RN ratio is only one reason why hospital have to charge more. I don’t run a hospital, so I can’t tell you what their costs are, but some hospital, like Scripps, are non profit, so there must be a reason why they’re charging the rate they are charging.

I have wondered about that too. I would like to see their internal cost structure. The room cost alone would support the wages for almost 13 additional RNs dedicated to only one person… so something is up. Non-profit is an interesting game.. there are churches that are running hospitals (ie. Glendale Adventists) and are registered as non-profit.. is this because they are affiliated with a church and proceeds go to the church? I repeat: I would really like to see the cost structure.. so little is discussed about the ‘room bill’ on a hospital.. and it is so large, quite often larger than the actual surgery bill and specific care surcharges.. and it is a black hole— literally.

If it’s so profitable to run a hospital as you trying to portray, then wouldn’t there be a lot more hospital propping up?

Simple.. and 2 words: Licensing and Insurance.

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