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May 12, 2011 at 1:02 PM #696080May 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM #694908
Eugene
Participant[quote=Rich Toscano]Right, nobody can argue that it’s a positive, but is it a significant negative?
[/quote]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.
May 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM #694995Participant[quote=Rich Toscano]Right, nobody can argue that it’s a positive, but is it a significant negative?
[/quote]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.
May 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM #695598Participant[quote=Rich Toscano]Right, nobody can argue that it’s a positive, but is it a significant negative?
[/quote]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.
May 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM #695747Participant[quote=Rich Toscano]Right, nobody can argue that it’s a positive, but is it a significant negative?
[/quote]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.
May 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM #696100Participant[quote=Rich Toscano]Right, nobody can argue that it’s a positive, but is it a significant negative?
[/quote]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.
May 12, 2011 at 1:53 PM #694928bearishgurl
Participant[quote=Eugene]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.[/quote]
In SD County, the new conforming limit will be $546,250. This is 80% of $682,821. This will be the *new* maximum sales price for a buyer utilizing a conforming loan and putting 20% down.
May 12, 2011 at 1:53 PM #695015Participant[quote=Eugene]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.[/quote]
In SD County, the new conforming limit will be $546,250. This is 80% of $682,821. This will be the *new* maximum sales price for a buyer utilizing a conforming loan and putting 20% down.
May 12, 2011 at 1:53 PM #695618Participant[quote=Eugene]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.[/quote]
In SD County, the new conforming limit will be $546,250. This is 80% of $682,821. This will be the *new* maximum sales price for a buyer utilizing a conforming loan and putting 20% down.
May 12, 2011 at 1:53 PM #695767Participant[quote=Eugene]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.[/quote]
In SD County, the new conforming limit will be $546,250. This is 80% of $682,821. This will be the *new* maximum sales price for a buyer utilizing a conforming loan and putting 20% down.
May 12, 2011 at 1:53 PM #696121Participant[quote=Eugene]Hey, I can argue that it’s a positive.
Right now we have one continuous market up to about $900k.
When the hammer falls, we’ll have two markets. One up to $700k where anyone can buy with 20% down and borrow the rest at 4.5%; and the other above $700k, where you have to put 30% down and borrow at 5.5%.
This is bad for the second market (but it is not a big deal, because people selling houses above $700k have a lot of wherewithal), but it increases activity across the market for the rest of us.[/quote]
In SD County, the new conforming limit will be $546,250. This is 80% of $682,821. This will be the *new* maximum sales price for a buyer utilizing a conforming loan and putting 20% down.
May 12, 2011 at 1:56 PM #694913Participant[quote=briansd1]…One question is if the lower GSE limits won’t affect anything much, then why are the Realtors fighting them? Do they know something we don’t know?[/quote]
brian, the amount the GSE’s will lower their guarantee (from the current approx $729K) will differ region to region. Nationwide, it used to be $417K. It is not predicted to go below that. $417K is 80% of $521,250. In areas where Fannie/Freddie lower their guarantees back to this amount, it will cover properties in that area priced up to $521,250 if a standard 20% is put down by the buyer. The buyer always has the option to put down more to get a conforming loan. In TX and GA, for instance, $521,250 will buy a VERY large “McMansion” type home on a 1/2 AC+ lot in a prime area. In San Mateo County, CA, it will buy a 1000 sf postwar box situated under the SFO landing path. Of course, the GSE guarantee will not be lowered to mortgages =<$417K in San Mateo County, CA. It will likely be in the 600K range there. The lowering of the GSE's guarantee will not affect cheaper housing states like TX and GA very much, if at all. It will not affect premium "niche coastal markets" on either coast where a typical buyer has many resources to employ in the purchase of RE and commonly does. In SD County, I predict it will adversely affect the value of tracts in INLAND areas adjacent to prime coastal areas where prices ARE AS MUCH AS OR CLOSE TO coastal prices but the house itself (not necessarily the lot) is much bigger and newer. That is, the =>$680K properties in the 56 corridor, inland Chula Vista annexations, Poway and surrounds, Scripps Ranch, North County Inland and other areas where younger people commonly buy into who need mortgages. I can’t say how much these areas will devalue, though. Perhaps the private mortgage lenders will step up to the plate and make their application processes more streamlined, as it was in the past and thus appeal to moderate, middle income and upper-middle income buyers. When the “portfolio” mortgage is being utilized again, it will be a viable choice to a F/F backed mtg. We shall see.
We will not know how much the RE in a given area or state will devalue due to the lowering of the guarantee on conforming loans until the new guarantee amount is set in each housing area in every state.
May 12, 2011 at 1:56 PM #695000Participant[quote=briansd1]…One question is if the lower GSE limits won’t affect anything much, then why are the Realtors fighting them? Do they know something we don’t know?[/quote]
brian, the amount the GSE’s will lower their guarantee (from the current approx $729K) will differ region to region. Nationwide, it used to be $417K. It is not predicted to go below that. $417K is 80% of $521,250. In areas where Fannie/Freddie lower their guarantees back to this amount, it will cover properties in that area priced up to $521,250 if a standard 20% is put down by the buyer. The buyer always has the option to put down more to get a conforming loan. In TX and GA, for instance, $521,250 will buy a VERY large “McMansion” type home on a 1/2 AC+ lot in a prime area. In San Mateo County, CA, it will buy a 1000 sf postwar box situated under the SFO landing path. Of course, the GSE guarantee will not be lowered to mortgages =<$417K in San Mateo County, CA. It will likely be in the 600K range there. The lowering of the GSE's guarantee will not affect cheaper housing states like TX and GA very much, if at all. It will not affect premium "niche coastal markets" on either coast where a typical buyer has many resources to employ in the purchase of RE and commonly does. In SD County, I predict it will adversely affect the value of tracts in INLAND areas adjacent to prime coastal areas where prices ARE AS MUCH AS OR CLOSE TO coastal prices but the house itself (not necessarily the lot) is much bigger and newer. That is, the =>$680K properties in the 56 corridor, inland Chula Vista annexations, Poway and surrounds, Scripps Ranch, North County Inland and other areas where younger people commonly buy into who need mortgages. I can’t say how much these areas will devalue, though. Perhaps the private mortgage lenders will step up to the plate and make their application processes more streamlined, as it was in the past and thus appeal to moderate, middle income and upper-middle income buyers. When the “portfolio” mortgage is being utilized again, it will be a viable choice to a F/F backed mtg. We shall see.
We will not know how much the RE in a given area or state will devalue due to the lowering of the guarantee on conforming loans until the new guarantee amount is set in each housing area in every state.
May 12, 2011 at 1:56 PM #695603Participant[quote=briansd1]…One question is if the lower GSE limits won’t affect anything much, then why are the Realtors fighting them? Do they know something we don’t know?[/quote]
brian, the amount the GSE’s will lower their guarantee (from the current approx $729K) will differ region to region. Nationwide, it used to be $417K. It is not predicted to go below that. $417K is 80% of $521,250. In areas where Fannie/Freddie lower their guarantees back to this amount, it will cover properties in that area priced up to $521,250 if a standard 20% is put down by the buyer. The buyer always has the option to put down more to get a conforming loan. In TX and GA, for instance, $521,250 will buy a VERY large “McMansion” type home on a 1/2 AC+ lot in a prime area. In San Mateo County, CA, it will buy a 1000 sf postwar box situated under the SFO landing path. Of course, the GSE guarantee will not be lowered to mortgages =<$417K in San Mateo County, CA. It will likely be in the 600K range there. The lowering of the GSE's guarantee will not affect cheaper housing states like TX and GA very much, if at all. It will not affect premium "niche coastal markets" on either coast where a typical buyer has many resources to employ in the purchase of RE and commonly does. In SD County, I predict it will adversely affect the value of tracts in INLAND areas adjacent to prime coastal areas where prices ARE AS MUCH AS OR CLOSE TO coastal prices but the house itself (not necessarily the lot) is much bigger and newer. That is, the =>$680K properties in the 56 corridor, inland Chula Vista annexations, Poway and surrounds, Scripps Ranch, North County Inland and other areas where younger people commonly buy into who need mortgages. I can’t say how much these areas will devalue, though. Perhaps the private mortgage lenders will step up to the plate and make their application processes more streamlined, as it was in the past and thus appeal to moderate, middle income and upper-middle income buyers. When the “portfolio” mortgage is being utilized again, it will be a viable choice to a F/F backed mtg. We shall see.
We will not know how much the RE in a given area or state will devalue due to the lowering of the guarantee on conforming loans until the new guarantee amount is set in each housing area in every state.
May 12, 2011 at 1:56 PM #695752Participant[quote=briansd1]…One question is if the lower GSE limits won’t affect anything much, then why are the Realtors fighting them? Do they know something we don’t know?[/quote]
brian, the amount the GSE’s will lower their guarantee (from the current approx $729K) will differ region to region. Nationwide, it used to be $417K. It is not predicted to go below that. $417K is 80% of $521,250. In areas where Fannie/Freddie lower their guarantees back to this amount, it will cover properties in that area priced up to $521,250 if a standard 20% is put down by the buyer. The buyer always has the option to put down more to get a conforming loan. In TX and GA, for instance, $521,250 will buy a VERY large “McMansion” type home on a 1/2 AC+ lot in a prime area. In San Mateo County, CA, it will buy a 1000 sf postwar box situated under the SFO landing path. Of course, the GSE guarantee will not be lowered to mortgages =<$417K in San Mateo County, CA. It will likely be in the 600K range there. The lowering of the GSE's guarantee will not affect cheaper housing states like TX and GA very much, if at all. It will not affect premium "niche coastal markets" on either coast where a typical buyer has many resources to employ in the purchase of RE and commonly does. In SD County, I predict it will adversely affect the value of tracts in INLAND areas adjacent to prime coastal areas where prices ARE AS MUCH AS OR CLOSE TO coastal prices but the house itself (not necessarily the lot) is much bigger and newer. That is, the =>$680K properties in the 56 corridor, inland Chula Vista annexations, Poway and surrounds, Scripps Ranch, North County Inland and other areas where younger people commonly buy into who need mortgages. I can’t say how much these areas will devalue, though. Perhaps the private mortgage lenders will step up to the plate and make their application processes more streamlined, as it was in the past and thus appeal to moderate, middle income and upper-middle income buyers. When the “portfolio” mortgage is being utilized again, it will be a viable choice to a F/F backed mtg. We shall see.
We will not know how much the RE in a given area or state will devalue due to the lowering of the guarantee on conforming loans until the new guarantee amount is set in each housing area in every state.
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