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May 15, 2008 at 5:14 PM #205326May 15, 2008 at 5:15 PM #205195scaredyclassicParticipant
when does someone “become” hetero? 2/ 4/ 12? kind of a dopey question, isn’t it? sexuality is something that develops, yoou don’t start out a little hetero machine. The problem with your point of view, as your religion has revealed unto you, is that if all this gay-ness is just a “choice’, then they would be entitled to no more governmental protection than people who choose to eat crappy food or make other lifestyle choices. if, ont he other hand, it goes to the core of who they are, then, well, maybe, theyought to be taken seriously and not just “reprogrammed” to make the correct choice so they can get to go to heaven with all the other correctly-orientated people in your church. You ahve to understand, this hetero lifestyle thing is not as simple as you; it’s complicated. why do you doubt your kids are gay? because they go to church? because you’ve kept them unexposed to gayness? because they profess to be intereste din girls. because they appear”normal” to you. When did you first realize they weren’t gay? 2? 4? at birth?
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May 15, 2008 at 5:15 PM #205244scaredyclassicParticipantwhen does someone “become” hetero? 2/ 4/ 12? kind of a dopey question, isn’t it? sexuality is something that develops, yoou don’t start out a little hetero machine. The problem with your point of view, as your religion has revealed unto you, is that if all this gay-ness is just a “choice’, then they would be entitled to no more governmental protection than people who choose to eat crappy food or make other lifestyle choices. if, ont he other hand, it goes to the core of who they are, then, well, maybe, theyought to be taken seriously and not just “reprogrammed” to make the correct choice so they can get to go to heaven with all the other correctly-orientated people in your church. You ahve to understand, this hetero lifestyle thing is not as simple as you; it’s complicated. why do you doubt your kids are gay? because they go to church? because you’ve kept them unexposed to gayness? because they profess to be intereste din girls. because they appear”normal” to you. When did you first realize they weren’t gay? 2? 4? at birth?
Drink Heavily.
May 15, 2008 at 5:15 PM #205276scaredyclassicParticipantwhen does someone “become” hetero? 2/ 4/ 12? kind of a dopey question, isn’t it? sexuality is something that develops, yoou don’t start out a little hetero machine. The problem with your point of view, as your religion has revealed unto you, is that if all this gay-ness is just a “choice’, then they would be entitled to no more governmental protection than people who choose to eat crappy food or make other lifestyle choices. if, ont he other hand, it goes to the core of who they are, then, well, maybe, theyought to be taken seriously and not just “reprogrammed” to make the correct choice so they can get to go to heaven with all the other correctly-orientated people in your church. You ahve to understand, this hetero lifestyle thing is not as simple as you; it’s complicated. why do you doubt your kids are gay? because they go to church? because you’ve kept them unexposed to gayness? because they profess to be intereste din girls. because they appear”normal” to you. When did you first realize they weren’t gay? 2? 4? at birth?
Drink Heavily.
May 15, 2008 at 5:15 PM #205297scaredyclassicParticipantwhen does someone “become” hetero? 2/ 4/ 12? kind of a dopey question, isn’t it? sexuality is something that develops, yoou don’t start out a little hetero machine. The problem with your point of view, as your religion has revealed unto you, is that if all this gay-ness is just a “choice’, then they would be entitled to no more governmental protection than people who choose to eat crappy food or make other lifestyle choices. if, ont he other hand, it goes to the core of who they are, then, well, maybe, theyought to be taken seriously and not just “reprogrammed” to make the correct choice so they can get to go to heaven with all the other correctly-orientated people in your church. You ahve to understand, this hetero lifestyle thing is not as simple as you; it’s complicated. why do you doubt your kids are gay? because they go to church? because you’ve kept them unexposed to gayness? because they profess to be intereste din girls. because they appear”normal” to you. When did you first realize they weren’t gay? 2? 4? at birth?
Drink Heavily.
May 15, 2008 at 5:15 PM #205330scaredyclassicParticipantwhen does someone “become” hetero? 2/ 4/ 12? kind of a dopey question, isn’t it? sexuality is something that develops, yoou don’t start out a little hetero machine. The problem with your point of view, as your religion has revealed unto you, is that if all this gay-ness is just a “choice’, then they would be entitled to no more governmental protection than people who choose to eat crappy food or make other lifestyle choices. if, ont he other hand, it goes to the core of who they are, then, well, maybe, theyought to be taken seriously and not just “reprogrammed” to make the correct choice so they can get to go to heaven with all the other correctly-orientated people in your church. You ahve to understand, this hetero lifestyle thing is not as simple as you; it’s complicated. why do you doubt your kids are gay? because they go to church? because you’ve kept them unexposed to gayness? because they profess to be intereste din girls. because they appear”normal” to you. When did you first realize they weren’t gay? 2? 4? at birth?
Drink Heavily.
May 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM #205205BKinLAParticipantFor you and others like you who believe homosexuality is something that just happens, when does someone become gay? Is there a "gay gene? If so, what causes it? When does the transformation take place? Is it when we're 2? 4? Or are we born this way?
I can assure you that I was indeed born this way — the way that my God chose to make me. I was aware of what I would later come to understand as my sexuality by the first grade. It wasn't until 4th or 5th grade when I first started to hear the word "homo" used — and used in a obviously derogative fashion. Fortunately by this point I was secure in who I was and didn't really give a rat's ass what the other boys thought. Well, maybe the cute ones…
The whole argument over Nature Vs. Nurture has much more to do with personality and self-awareness than biology. If someone who is wired to be gay or lesbian learns first that society (and perhaps whatever God they are exposed to) will shun them BEFORE they are aware of their predetermined sexuality, this introduces an incredibly destructive internal conflict. This can manifest itself anywhere from depression all the way through suicide. And often at a very, very young age.
I haven't accepted the theory that the 14-year-old boy who is in a lot of pain because he feels he is gay or leads a gay lifestyle was born this way.
You are so very, very wrong Marion. And I sincerely hope that your two boys don't ever have to confront this within themselves. Or confront their mother.
Brad
May 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM #205253BKinLAParticipantFor you and others like you who believe homosexuality is something that just happens, when does someone become gay? Is there a "gay gene? If so, what causes it? When does the transformation take place? Is it when we're 2? 4? Or are we born this way?
I can assure you that I was indeed born this way — the way that my God chose to make me. I was aware of what I would later come to understand as my sexuality by the first grade. It wasn't until 4th or 5th grade when I first started to hear the word "homo" used — and used in a obviously derogative fashion. Fortunately by this point I was secure in who I was and didn't really give a rat's ass what the other boys thought. Well, maybe the cute ones…
The whole argument over Nature Vs. Nurture has much more to do with personality and self-awareness than biology. If someone who is wired to be gay or lesbian learns first that society (and perhaps whatever God they are exposed to) will shun them BEFORE they are aware of their predetermined sexuality, this introduces an incredibly destructive internal conflict. This can manifest itself anywhere from depression all the way through suicide. And often at a very, very young age.
I haven't accepted the theory that the 14-year-old boy who is in a lot of pain because he feels he is gay or leads a gay lifestyle was born this way.
You are so very, very wrong Marion. And I sincerely hope that your two boys don't ever have to confront this within themselves. Or confront their mother.
Brad
May 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM #205285BKinLAParticipantFor you and others like you who believe homosexuality is something that just happens, when does someone become gay? Is there a "gay gene? If so, what causes it? When does the transformation take place? Is it when we're 2? 4? Or are we born this way?
I can assure you that I was indeed born this way — the way that my God chose to make me. I was aware of what I would later come to understand as my sexuality by the first grade. It wasn't until 4th or 5th grade when I first started to hear the word "homo" used — and used in a obviously derogative fashion. Fortunately by this point I was secure in who I was and didn't really give a rat's ass what the other boys thought. Well, maybe the cute ones…
The whole argument over Nature Vs. Nurture has much more to do with personality and self-awareness than biology. If someone who is wired to be gay or lesbian learns first that society (and perhaps whatever God they are exposed to) will shun them BEFORE they are aware of their predetermined sexuality, this introduces an incredibly destructive internal conflict. This can manifest itself anywhere from depression all the way through suicide. And often at a very, very young age.
I haven't accepted the theory that the 14-year-old boy who is in a lot of pain because he feels he is gay or leads a gay lifestyle was born this way.
You are so very, very wrong Marion. And I sincerely hope that your two boys don't ever have to confront this within themselves. Or confront their mother.
Brad
May 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM #205307BKinLAParticipantFor you and others like you who believe homosexuality is something that just happens, when does someone become gay? Is there a "gay gene? If so, what causes it? When does the transformation take place? Is it when we're 2? 4? Or are we born this way?
I can assure you that I was indeed born this way — the way that my God chose to make me. I was aware of what I would later come to understand as my sexuality by the first grade. It wasn't until 4th or 5th grade when I first started to hear the word "homo" used — and used in a obviously derogative fashion. Fortunately by this point I was secure in who I was and didn't really give a rat's ass what the other boys thought. Well, maybe the cute ones…
The whole argument over Nature Vs. Nurture has much more to do with personality and self-awareness than biology. If someone who is wired to be gay or lesbian learns first that society (and perhaps whatever God they are exposed to) will shun them BEFORE they are aware of their predetermined sexuality, this introduces an incredibly destructive internal conflict. This can manifest itself anywhere from depression all the way through suicide. And often at a very, very young age.
I haven't accepted the theory that the 14-year-old boy who is in a lot of pain because he feels he is gay or leads a gay lifestyle was born this way.
You are so very, very wrong Marion. And I sincerely hope that your two boys don't ever have to confront this within themselves. Or confront their mother.
Brad
May 15, 2008 at 5:22 PM #205341BKinLAParticipantFor you and others like you who believe homosexuality is something that just happens, when does someone become gay? Is there a "gay gene? If so, what causes it? When does the transformation take place? Is it when we're 2? 4? Or are we born this way?
I can assure you that I was indeed born this way — the way that my God chose to make me. I was aware of what I would later come to understand as my sexuality by the first grade. It wasn't until 4th or 5th grade when I first started to hear the word "homo" used — and used in a obviously derogative fashion. Fortunately by this point I was secure in who I was and didn't really give a rat's ass what the other boys thought. Well, maybe the cute ones…
The whole argument over Nature Vs. Nurture has much more to do with personality and self-awareness than biology. If someone who is wired to be gay or lesbian learns first that society (and perhaps whatever God they are exposed to) will shun them BEFORE they are aware of their predetermined sexuality, this introduces an incredibly destructive internal conflict. This can manifest itself anywhere from depression all the way through suicide. And often at a very, very young age.
I haven't accepted the theory that the 14-year-old boy who is in a lot of pain because he feels he is gay or leads a gay lifestyle was born this way.
You are so very, very wrong Marion. And I sincerely hope that your two boys don't ever have to confront this within themselves. Or confront their mother.
Brad
May 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM #205210Sandi EganParticipantAn arbitrary limitation based on color/sex/shoe size/penis/vagina/hairyness, and endorsed by the government.
What a particular society accepts has nothing to do with what’s “right”. It’s not objective. It’s just culture. There always will be limitations of liberty that some people will see as unfair. The only question is, how many people will share that view. When the number of those people reaches a critical mass the cultural change will happen.
Personally I am against the gay marriage, because I think American families should focus on having as many children as possible.
May 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM #205258Sandi EganParticipantAn arbitrary limitation based on color/sex/shoe size/penis/vagina/hairyness, and endorsed by the government.
What a particular society accepts has nothing to do with what’s “right”. It’s not objective. It’s just culture. There always will be limitations of liberty that some people will see as unfair. The only question is, how many people will share that view. When the number of those people reaches a critical mass the cultural change will happen.
Personally I am against the gay marriage, because I think American families should focus on having as many children as possible.
May 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM #205289Sandi EganParticipantAn arbitrary limitation based on color/sex/shoe size/penis/vagina/hairyness, and endorsed by the government.
What a particular society accepts has nothing to do with what’s “right”. It’s not objective. It’s just culture. There always will be limitations of liberty that some people will see as unfair. The only question is, how many people will share that view. When the number of those people reaches a critical mass the cultural change will happen.
Personally I am against the gay marriage, because I think American families should focus on having as many children as possible.
May 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM #205312Sandi EganParticipantAn arbitrary limitation based on color/sex/shoe size/penis/vagina/hairyness, and endorsed by the government.
What a particular society accepts has nothing to do with what’s “right”. It’s not objective. It’s just culture. There always will be limitations of liberty that some people will see as unfair. The only question is, how many people will share that view. When the number of those people reaches a critical mass the cultural change will happen.
Personally I am against the gay marriage, because I think American families should focus on having as many children as possible.
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