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[urbanrealtor]

I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.[/quote]

Scarlet: You don’t owe me an apology. Shit, I referred to you as a Nazi, that probably makes us even.

I don’t think our telling Jeff Bridges to quit making Hyundai commercials is the answer. I also don’t think Big Government is the answer, either.

This is still the best country in the world, warts and all. We have won two World Wars, the Cold War and have all the necessary tools to succeed again and in spite of the odds. That being said, we need to do things a lot smarter and a lot better than last time because the competition is tougher and the deck is stacked.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.[/quote]

Scarlet: You don’t owe me an apology. Shit, I referred to you as a Nazi, that probably makes us even.

I don’t think our telling Jeff Bridges to quit making Hyundai commercials is the answer. I also don’t think Big Government is the answer, either.

This is still the best country in the world, warts and all. We have won two World Wars, the Cold War and have all the necessary tools to succeed again and in spite of the odds. That being said, we need to do things a lot smarter and a lot better than last time because the competition is tougher and the deck is stacked.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.[/quote]

Scarlet: You don’t owe me an apology. Shit, I referred to you as a Nazi, that probably makes us even.

I don’t think our telling Jeff Bridges to quit making Hyundai commercials is the answer. I also don’t think Big Government is the answer, either.

This is still the best country in the world, warts and all. We have won two World Wars, the Cold War and have all the necessary tools to succeed again and in spite of the odds. That being said, we need to do things a lot smarter and a lot better than last time because the competition is tougher and the deck is stacked.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.[/quote]

Scarlet: You don’t owe me an apology. Shit, I referred to you as a Nazi, that probably makes us even.

I don’t think our telling Jeff Bridges to quit making Hyundai commercials is the answer. I also don’t think Big Government is the answer, either.

This is still the best country in the world, warts and all. We have won two World Wars, the Cold War and have all the necessary tools to succeed again and in spite of the odds. That being said, we need to do things a lot smarter and a lot better than last time because the competition is tougher and the deck is stacked.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Rt.66]Good point and well said.

What’s next the lion and the lamb? LOL

I probably did owe you an apology, nice of you to let me off the hook though.[/quote]

Scarlet: You don’t owe me an apology. Shit, I referred to you as a Nazi, that probably makes us even.

I don’t think our telling Jeff Bridges to quit making Hyundai commercials is the answer. I also don’t think Big Government is the answer, either.

This is still the best country in the world, warts and all. We have won two World Wars, the Cold War and have all the necessary tools to succeed again and in spite of the odds. That being said, we need to do things a lot smarter and a lot better than last time because the competition is tougher and the deck is stacked.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.[/quote]

Dan: Hence the use of the words “influence of” the unions and organized labor in my post above.

I have no issues with organized labor or unions per se, and, in their time, they certainly leveled the playing field and were essential to America’s success.

My argument starts with the unions from about 1947 on, especially the AFL-CIO and UAW and the suicidal CBAs that were negotiated with Detroit’s Big Three.

The corrosive effects of those CBAs literally lasted decades and ultimately destroyed the competitive posture of GM, Ford and Mopar and was one of the contributing factors that allowed Japanese and Korean automakers to develop their toehold (which began in the late 1960s, early 1970s) into significant market share (other factors would also be GM management’s inability to correctly read the wants of their customers and the beginning of some truly horrific US policies on trade).

Again, I have nothing against organized labor and unions, EXCEPT when their presence becomes a negative (the so-called “deadweight” effect).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.[/quote]

Dan: Hence the use of the words “influence of” the unions and organized labor in my post above.

I have no issues with organized labor or unions per se, and, in their time, they certainly leveled the playing field and were essential to America’s success.

My argument starts with the unions from about 1947 on, especially the AFL-CIO and UAW and the suicidal CBAs that were negotiated with Detroit’s Big Three.

The corrosive effects of those CBAs literally lasted decades and ultimately destroyed the competitive posture of GM, Ford and Mopar and was one of the contributing factors that allowed Japanese and Korean automakers to develop their toehold (which began in the late 1960s, early 1970s) into significant market share (other factors would also be GM management’s inability to correctly read the wants of their customers and the beginning of some truly horrific US policies on trade).

Again, I have nothing against organized labor and unions, EXCEPT when their presence becomes a negative (the so-called “deadweight” effect).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.[/quote]

Dan: Hence the use of the words “influence of” the unions and organized labor in my post above.

I have no issues with organized labor or unions per se, and, in their time, they certainly leveled the playing field and were essential to America’s success.

My argument starts with the unions from about 1947 on, especially the AFL-CIO and UAW and the suicidal CBAs that were negotiated with Detroit’s Big Three.

The corrosive effects of those CBAs literally lasted decades and ultimately destroyed the competitive posture of GM, Ford and Mopar and was one of the contributing factors that allowed Japanese and Korean automakers to develop their toehold (which began in the late 1960s, early 1970s) into significant market share (other factors would also be GM management’s inability to correctly read the wants of their customers and the beginning of some truly horrific US policies on trade).

Again, I have nothing against organized labor and unions, EXCEPT when their presence becomes a negative (the so-called “deadweight” effect).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.[/quote]

Dan: Hence the use of the words “influence of” the unions and organized labor in my post above.

I have no issues with organized labor or unions per se, and, in their time, they certainly leveled the playing field and were essential to America’s success.

My argument starts with the unions from about 1947 on, especially the AFL-CIO and UAW and the suicidal CBAs that were negotiated with Detroit’s Big Three.

The corrosive effects of those CBAs literally lasted decades and ultimately destroyed the competitive posture of GM, Ford and Mopar and was one of the contributing factors that allowed Japanese and Korean automakers to develop their toehold (which began in the late 1960s, early 1970s) into significant market share (other factors would also be GM management’s inability to correctly read the wants of their customers and the beginning of some truly horrific US policies on trade).

Again, I have nothing against organized labor and unions, EXCEPT when their presence becomes a negative (the so-called “deadweight” effect).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I disagree with you Allan.

I don’t discount the influence of short-sighted labor policies but I think that just blaming the unions is really just more of stupid protectionism.

The plants manufacturing Hondas, Nissans, and Toyotas in the south have dealt with ambitious unions in ways that kept them profitable.

Very few are closed shops. This is because they offered deals and benefits that eliminated the demand for organized labor forces. This is also in line with the weak showing those unions have had in Asia.

Its not like the unions don’t have a presence. They do (which is probably why the manufacturers continue to offer great options).

Personally, I don’t think about these things when I buy or lease. I think about what the best value is. That’s why I won’t ever buy American until they either get a lot cheaper or a lot better.

I don’t think I am making a bad decision by leaving the exchange rate and bonds out of the equation.[/quote]

Dan: Hence the use of the words “influence of” the unions and organized labor in my post above.

I have no issues with organized labor or unions per se, and, in their time, they certainly leveled the playing field and were essential to America’s success.

My argument starts with the unions from about 1947 on, especially the AFL-CIO and UAW and the suicidal CBAs that were negotiated with Detroit’s Big Three.

The corrosive effects of those CBAs literally lasted decades and ultimately destroyed the competitive posture of GM, Ford and Mopar and was one of the contributing factors that allowed Japanese and Korean automakers to develop their toehold (which began in the late 1960s, early 1970s) into significant market share (other factors would also be GM management’s inability to correctly read the wants of their customers and the beginning of some truly horrific US policies on trade).

Again, I have nothing against organized labor and unions, EXCEPT when their presence becomes a negative (the so-called “deadweight” effect).

[paramount]

Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.

[paramount]

Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.

[paramount]

Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.

[paramount]

Anyone interested in a 5,000lb American made paperweight in my driveway that goes by the name of Ford Expedition?

Oh yah, in the interest of full disclosure I should mention the electrical system is fried due to a manufacturer’s defect.

I have decided to get smart in car buying buying – in the future I’m sticking to Toyota, Nissan or Honda or even one of the K cars.

I’m tired of handing my hard earned money over to the Ford dealer for constant service.

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