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March 15, 2007 at 8:11 PM #8612March 15, 2007 at 9:10 PM #47779CAwiremanParticipant
DaisyD,
Would love to especially see the data for San Diego.
Please do!
March 15, 2007 at 10:03 PM #47782ocrenterParticipantdaisy, love to take a look at the data. e-mail me at ocrenter at gmail dot com
March 16, 2007 at 11:29 AM #47808DaisyDukeParticipantHere you Go. It’s a bit compressed, sorry. I will figure out a better way to send the data. I will start tracking San Diego . . .
COLUMNS ARE: DATE,NODs, AUCTIONS, REOs, FSBO, RESALE (w/agent)
DATE NODs Auction REO FSBO Resale
OC
1/29/2007 2826 658 1588 48 1476
1/30/2007 2818 646 1595 45 1551
1/31/2007 2804 674 1620 42 1533
2/1/2007 2783 697 1624 43 1557
2/2/2007 2949 703 1614 43 1572
2/7/2007 2825 726 1693 43 1536
2/8/2007 2803 700 1729 50 1553
2/9/2007 2789 683 1751 50 1547
2/10/2007 2779 677 1765 50 1547
2/12/2007 2750 719 1752 45 1547
2/13/2007 2751 726 1754 45 1558
2/14/2007 2861 726 1760 45 1572
2/15/2007 2789 736 1790 45 1588
2/16/2007 2880 725 1803 45 1622
2/18/2007 2871 720 1772 45 1639
2/20/2007 2818 760 1797 45 1636
2/21/2007 2830 758 1793 47 1628
2/22/2007 2976 761 1814 48 1633
2/23/2007 2976 758 1802 48 1637
2/24/2007 2830 753 1965 48 1646
2/26/2007 2775 740 1941 47 1646
2/27/2007 2729 747 1926 47 1652
2/28/2007 2721 761 1921 22 1619
3/1/2007 2696 786 1964 22 1594
3/2/2007 2678 774 1982 22 1571
3/3/2007 2645 796 1997 22 1613
3/5/2007 2645 794 1991 22 1614
3/6/2007 2628 819 1994 50 1592
3/7/2007 2809 843 2035 50 1592
3/8/2007 3219 848 2029 50 1585
3/9/2007 3920 850 2016 50 1613
3/11/2007 3906 881 2011 50 1634
3/12/2007 3916 887 2010 50 1634
3/13/2007 3855 874 2069 57 1714
3/14/2007 3877 873 2047 58 1714
3/14/2007 3866 899 2059 58 1714
3/15/2007 3864 897 2050 58 1712
3/16/2007 3743 870 2190 58 1706DATE / LA
1/29/2007 11179 2469 5543 107 5875
1/30/2007 11079 2497 5637 108 5947
1/31/2007 11256 2438 5916 108 5984
2/1/2007 11188 2401 5969 108 6056
2/2/2007 11235 2420 5971 108 6235
2/7/2007 11463 2558 5900 108 6080
2/8/2007 11515 2475 6031 120 6138
2/9/2007 11565 2460 6065 120 6180
2/10/2007 11528 2460 6077 120 6208
2/12/2007 11611 2457 6106 102 6208
2/13/2007 11576 2509 6062 102 6152
2/14/2007 11553 2457 6169 102 6173
2/15/2007 11436 2600 6225 102 6219
2/16/2007 11594 2626 6247 102 6209
2/18/2007 11477 2595 6273 102 6203
2/20/2007 11419 2591 6458 102 6241
2/21/2007 11278 2584 6607 98 6178
2/22/2007 11254 2641 6777 98 6202
2/23/2007 10998 2639 6890 98 6225
2/24/2007 10716 2582 7195 98 6278
2/26/2007 10761 2540 7229 99 6278
2/27/2007 10642 2491 7334 99 6304
2/28/2007 10767 2537 7379 28 6339
3/1/2007 10783 2604 7680 29 6384
3/2/2007 10403 2549 7912 29 6384
3/3/2007 10543 2584 7637 28 6465
3/5/2007 10715 2516 7668 28 6467
3/6/2007 10706 2570 7725 99 6264
3/7/2007 10768 2572 7822 99 6275
3/8/2007 11678 2583 7816 99 6320
3/9/2007 13658 2586 7941 99 6444
3/11/2007 13743 2644 7825 99 6822
3/12/2007 13811 2709 7823 99 6822
3/13/2007 13633 2631 8015 111 7441
3/14/2007 13607 2589 8048 111 7441
3/14/2007 13755 2631 8081 111 7443
3/15/2007 13751 2635 8055 111 7421
3/16/2007 13642 2576 8183 111 7404March 16, 2007 at 11:34 AM #47809DaisyDukeParticipantToday, right now, this is the data:
NODs – 5977
Auctions – 1180
REOs – 5147
FSBO – 76
Resale – 1557I’ll keep track . . .
March 16, 2007 at 4:26 PM #47844DaisyDukeParticipantRealtyTrac is almost like watching the stock market. L.A. O.C. and S.D. numbers increased just this afternoon.
Columns are: NODs; Auctions; REO; FSBO & Resale
OC
3/16/2007 4138 912 2188 58 1812LA
3/16/2007 15190 2650 8174 111 7733SD
3/16/2007 6554 1210 5150 76 1634March 16, 2007 at 6:01 PM #47854ucodegenParticipantGood job. Don’t need another way. For the uninitiated, here is a quick way to put it in Excel..
Select the block of text for LA or OC, paste into notepad, save as a text file (make note of location and filename)
Bring up Excel, select File->Open. Set the view in the ‘chooser’ to all files (*.*). Navigate to the file you saved and select and ‘open’ it. You will get a menu for import wizard.
First page of import wizard:
Select Delimited, start at row 1 File Origin should be 437:OEM US.
Hit NextSelect delimiters as ‘tab’ and ‘space'(last one usually not checked). Make sure that you treat consecutive delimiters as one.
Hit NextTreat first column as date, MDY..
Second through last should be general..
Hit Finish.. and play (the numbers should now be in Excel).Having it in the single space separated format is great.. I can suck it into other programs as well as ones I write, without any problems. The only concern would be with longer data sets.. Maybe a web page on somewhere for the full sized /updated as we go form? One year will have 365 rows per area.
March 17, 2007 at 9:56 AM #47883DaisyDukeParticipantUpdate to the numbers this morning:
OC
3/17/2007 4182 935 2105 58 1829LA
3/17/2007 15193 2674 8158 111 7763SD
3/17/2007 6600 1195 5182 76 1661There won’t (shouldn’t) be any more new numbers until maybe Monday afternoon. Sometimes I am surprised though that the numbers do change on Sunday. Maybe they are working lots of OT . . . at least someone is keeping their job in this market.
March 17, 2007 at 10:41 AM #47886CAwiremanParticipantDaiseyD,
One more thing. Can you provide this data for San Diego by zipcode?
Here’s info compiled from a link that Lindismith provided.
(To view, click the table, then scroll down below the table and select Original. Then you can see the detail and scroll
up/down, left/right.)I basically want to track San Diego by ARM loans per zipcode and anything more detailed (ARM resets per current year per zipcode). It would be interesting to correlate the ARM resets per zipcode to the [NODs Auction REO FSBO Resale]
data you might be able to provide, especially if you can provide it by zipcode. Thanks!(If anyone has comments on my the approach I’m recommending, pro or con, let me know)
[img_assist|nid=2888|title=SD defaults per 1000 by Zip|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=127|height=500]
March 17, 2007 at 8:29 PM #47923paranoidParticipantCan somebody explain how to read these data? for example how to interpret NOD? is it the total accumulated NODs as of today, or is it the total number of NODs since beginning of the year or month?
What is meant by AUCTION? same for REO etc.
Thanks for your help.March 18, 2007 at 2:39 AM #47936bob007Participantwhat is the definition of a foreclosure ? What is the definition for a default ?
March 18, 2007 at 9:25 AM #47945SD RealtorParticipantparanoid and bob hope this helps….The definitions are different points of recordings made during the foreclosure process, not necessarly a step by step process. During the entire process the owner has chances to cure the default
NOD – Notice of Default. Technically you are default once you miss a payment. Usually the lender will not notify the trustee until you miss 2 or 3. Once that occurs a notice of default is recorded. This signals the beginning of the foreclosure process.
NOT – Notice of Trustee Sale – This is not in the stats that Dasiy posted. This is an official recording that the owner has been notified that the home is going to be sold at auction in a trustee sale.
REO – This event is that the auction occurred and the home did not get sold at auction and title is now held by the lender, not the trustee. Note that someone (any private party) could have purchased the home at auction but did not.
Also note that again, at any time during this process the owner could have cured the default… I don’t know if the curing could happen on auction day, but I have heard of cases where the curing was done very close to auction. Foreclosure is a term that could be applied to the entire process I guess…Hope this helped guys…
Oh yeah as far as interpreting the numbers, like are they totals and if so how far back do they go, I am sure Daisy can clarify.
March 18, 2007 at 9:56 AM #47947DaisyDukeParticipantSD does a good job of explaining it. I will post the definitions RealtyTrac gives so we can hopefully understand it better. My graphs are rudimentary, but still reveals to me the numbers are increasing. IMHO pretty quick too.
I checked this morning and the numbers indeed changed again:
OC
3/18/2007 4215 944 2093 56 1829LA
3/18/2007 15273 2724 8154 103 7763SD
3/18/2007 6686 1257 5176 27 1637March 18, 2007 at 10:09 AM #47948DaisyDukeParticipantNotice of Default (NOD)
“The foreclosure process begins when a borrower/owner defaults on loan payments (usually mortgage payments) and the lender files a public default notice, called a Notice of Default”.“Auction (NTS, NFS):
If the loan is not reinstated by the end of the pre-foreclosure period, potential buyers can bid on the property at a public auction. Buyers often are required to pay in cash at the auction and may not have much time to research the title and condition of the property beforehand; however, a public auction often offers some of the best bargains and avoids the unpredictability of dealing directly with the borrower/owner.”“Bank-owned (REO):
If the lender takes ownership of the property, either through an agreement with the owner during pre-foreclosure or at the public auction, the lender will usually want to re-sell the property to recover the unpaid loan amount. The lender will then typically clear the title and perform needed maintenance and repair; however, the potential bargain for these REO homes is typically less than a pre-foreclosure or auction property. Bank foreclosures can become government foreclosures if the loan is backed by a government agency such as the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) or the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). In that case the government agency would be responsible for selling the property.”Timeline of Stages:
Pre-Lien – 30 days
Lien – 30 days
Notice of Default – 90 days
Notice of Sale – 21-25 days
Trustee’s Sale – if unsold to REO
__________________________________________________________If I am understanding my chart and RealtyTrac’s data, the NODs are ever changing as new people go into default and others get their property out of default as SD explains — but the numbers are still really high and keep climbing.
The Auction properties are properties where there is an auction date set and the date/time/location is published for the auction/sale.
The Bank Owned (REO) properties are the properties that actually went to auction and was not purchased by the homeowner or any other buyer/investor.
All of these numbers fluctuate and I can guess why they do, but I’m not an expert in it. I suspect that the NOD numbers change as people go into default and get their property out of default. The Auctions figure is about the same as the NODs. The bank owned fluctuates due to pieces actually being sold at auction or somehow the bank does something to get it off their books ???
Still learning all this myself.
DaisyD
March 18, 2007 at 10:31 PM #48004SD RealtorParticipantDaisy you nailed it! Very good explanation. As you see due to the rotation of NODs it may be best to try to simply capture months ya know what I mean? Like how many NODs were reported in Jan of 07, Feb of 07 etc… Either way it is hard posting on going stats so my hat is off to you for doing so. I tried to do that for active/pendings as well as NODs/NOTs/REOs but it just go to burdensome.
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Yeah it is amazing how late in the process a people can cure the defaults. Some people go into default, then cure it, then go in again…
No there is no chance that the bank can make a property mysteriously disappear off the books. If a property makes it to auction, then it either sells or becomes REO no middle ground. (at least that I know of which is not much)
Anyways typically the REOs will be alot lower the NODs due to cures… Now how much of the default is “cured” is an interesting question. I just wonder as things deteriorate how much these lenders will let people stretch…
SD Realtor
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