fixation on school districts

[an]

That’s not proof. That’s allegation. Proof would be after the the principal resign and after the school got audited, the API scores plummeted. However, it didn’t. The source of “corruption” as you like to call it has been booted, yet the school still do quite well on their 2008 API score. How do you explain that? The district does not like charter schools and the current system gave the power to the district, which allow them to try to find as many ways as they can to shut down the charter school(s). How many times do you see similar investigation in public schools? I’ve seen these type of “investigation” in other charter school, such as TIP Academy in Encitas. I know the teacher there and there are two sides to every story. The district DO NOT like the fact that charter schools are taking their $ away.

Can you tell me with a straight face that the teachers at public schools are not being pressured to teach to the test or that some of them are not trying to inflate grades? I’ve also heard stories of corruptions in the SDUSD as well, but you’ll never gonna see them get investigated to see where all the money go. All I can say is, if a private elementary school can do well with $8k/yr tuition and SDUSD elementary schools are getting over $9k+/yr, I’d expect them to be better than the private schools, since they can consolidate a lot of the administrative jobs.

[eyePod]

I notice almost all responses are along the lines of response to “does money help the school scores?”. I found with my kid in one of the top schools in SD that the students, when challenged by great teachers, turned in very boring and mediocre projects. No originality. Regardless of their ethnicity. So I think the whole premise is bogus. Of course, there are good reasons to have safe, clean schools.

[eyePod]

I notice almost all responses are along the lines of response to “does money help the school scores?”. I found with my kid in one of the top schools in SD that the students, when challenged by great teachers, turned in very boring and mediocre projects. No originality. Regardless of their ethnicity. So I think the whole premise is bogus. Of course, there are good reasons to have safe, clean schools.

[eyePod]

I notice almost all responses are along the lines of response to “does money help the school scores?”. I found with my kid in one of the top schools in SD that the students, when challenged by great teachers, turned in very boring and mediocre projects. No originality. Regardless of their ethnicity. So I think the whole premise is bogus. Of course, there are good reasons to have safe, clean schools.

[eyePod]

I notice almost all responses are along the lines of response to “does money help the school scores?”. I found with my kid in one of the top schools in SD that the students, when challenged by great teachers, turned in very boring and mediocre projects. No originality. Regardless of their ethnicity. So I think the whole premise is bogus. Of course, there are good reasons to have safe, clean schools.

[eyePod]

I notice almost all responses are along the lines of response to “does money help the school scores?”. I found with my kid in one of the top schools in SD that the students, when challenged by great teachers, turned in very boring and mediocre projects. No originality. Regardless of their ethnicity. So I think the whole premise is bogus. Of course, there are good reasons to have safe, clean schools.

[Wickedheart]

Garbage, I said they were cheating and provided you proof. They flat out changed students grades. We aren’t talking about grade inflation. API scores have nothing to do with whether they changed students grades.

Did you miss this part? This could explain the API scores.

“Nearly three years ago, an academic study compared Preuss students with students who had applied for admittance there, but missed out in the school lottery. Based on test scores and grades, the study found no difference between the groups.”

Your willingness to make excuses for their dishonesty doesn’t say much for you.

You asked for proof and I gave it. Yet you are making allegations with no proof whatsoever. Would I tell you that public teachers are not being pressured to teach to the test? Hell no. And I certainly wouldn’t claim there isn’t any corruption in the district. I can tell you I haven’t experienced it and I have 3 children who have been through the SDUSD. Not one of my children has received a grade they didn’t earn.

If private schools dealt with the same kinds of issues, students and regulations you might have a point but they don’t. So what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges so to speak. Private schools are not subject to many as many state and federal regulations as public schools. Curriculum in public schools is mandated by the state. With private schools you have apply and be accepted. Also most private schools don’t have special education. Their teachers don’t have to be certified and they pay them a whole lot less. I could go on (and on)but I think I’ve made my point. I would think that private schools could get by on a whole lot less money than $8k.

[Wickedheart]

Garbage, I said they were cheating and provided you proof. They flat out changed students grades. We aren’t talking about grade inflation. API scores have nothing to do with whether they changed students grades.

Did you miss this part? This could explain the API scores.

“Nearly three years ago, an academic study compared Preuss students with students who had applied for admittance there, but missed out in the school lottery. Based on test scores and grades, the study found no difference between the groups.”

Your willingness to make excuses for their dishonesty doesn’t say much for you.

You asked for proof and I gave it. Yet you are making allegations with no proof whatsoever. Would I tell you that public teachers are not being pressured to teach to the test? Hell no. And I certainly wouldn’t claim there isn’t any corruption in the district. I can tell you I haven’t experienced it and I have 3 children who have been through the SDUSD. Not one of my children has received a grade they didn’t earn.

If private schools dealt with the same kinds of issues, students and regulations you might have a point but they don’t. So what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges so to speak. Private schools are not subject to many as many state and federal regulations as public schools. Curriculum in public schools is mandated by the state. With private schools you have apply and be accepted. Also most private schools don’t have special education. Their teachers don’t have to be certified and they pay them a whole lot less. I could go on (and on)but I think I’ve made my point. I would think that private schools could get by on a whole lot less money than $8k.

[Wickedheart]

Garbage, I said they were cheating and provided you proof. They flat out changed students grades. We aren’t talking about grade inflation. API scores have nothing to do with whether they changed students grades.

Did you miss this part? This could explain the API scores.

“Nearly three years ago, an academic study compared Preuss students with students who had applied for admittance there, but missed out in the school lottery. Based on test scores and grades, the study found no difference between the groups.”

Your willingness to make excuses for their dishonesty doesn’t say much for you.

You asked for proof and I gave it. Yet you are making allegations with no proof whatsoever. Would I tell you that public teachers are not being pressured to teach to the test? Hell no. And I certainly wouldn’t claim there isn’t any corruption in the district. I can tell you I haven’t experienced it and I have 3 children who have been through the SDUSD. Not one of my children has received a grade they didn’t earn.

If private schools dealt with the same kinds of issues, students and regulations you might have a point but they don’t. So what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges so to speak. Private schools are not subject to many as many state and federal regulations as public schools. Curriculum in public schools is mandated by the state. With private schools you have apply and be accepted. Also most private schools don’t have special education. Their teachers don’t have to be certified and they pay them a whole lot less. I could go on (and on)but I think I’ve made my point. I would think that private schools could get by on a whole lot less money than $8k.

[Wickedheart]

Garbage, I said they were cheating and provided you proof. They flat out changed students grades. We aren’t talking about grade inflation. API scores have nothing to do with whether they changed students grades.

Did you miss this part? This could explain the API scores.

“Nearly three years ago, an academic study compared Preuss students with students who had applied for admittance there, but missed out in the school lottery. Based on test scores and grades, the study found no difference between the groups.”

Your willingness to make excuses for their dishonesty doesn’t say much for you.

You asked for proof and I gave it. Yet you are making allegations with no proof whatsoever. Would I tell you that public teachers are not being pressured to teach to the test? Hell no. And I certainly wouldn’t claim there isn’t any corruption in the district. I can tell you I haven’t experienced it and I have 3 children who have been through the SDUSD. Not one of my children has received a grade they didn’t earn.

If private schools dealt with the same kinds of issues, students and regulations you might have a point but they don’t. So what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges so to speak. Private schools are not subject to many as many state and federal regulations as public schools. Curriculum in public schools is mandated by the state. With private schools you have apply and be accepted. Also most private schools don’t have special education. Their teachers don’t have to be certified and they pay them a whole lot less. I could go on (and on)but I think I’ve made my point. I would think that private schools could get by on a whole lot less money than $8k.

[Wickedheart]

Garbage, I said they were cheating and provided you proof. They flat out changed students grades. We aren’t talking about grade inflation. API scores have nothing to do with whether they changed students grades.

Did you miss this part? This could explain the API scores.

“Nearly three years ago, an academic study compared Preuss students with students who had applied for admittance there, but missed out in the school lottery. Based on test scores and grades, the study found no difference between the groups.”

Your willingness to make excuses for their dishonesty doesn’t say much for you.

You asked for proof and I gave it. Yet you are making allegations with no proof whatsoever. Would I tell you that public teachers are not being pressured to teach to the test? Hell no. And I certainly wouldn’t claim there isn’t any corruption in the district. I can tell you I haven’t experienced it and I have 3 children who have been through the SDUSD. Not one of my children has received a grade they didn’t earn.

If private schools dealt with the same kinds of issues, students and regulations you might have a point but they don’t. So what you are doing is comparing apples to oranges so to speak. Private schools are not subject to many as many state and federal regulations as public schools. Curriculum in public schools is mandated by the state. With private schools you have apply and be accepted. Also most private schools don’t have special education. Their teachers don’t have to be certified and they pay them a whole lot less. I could go on (and on)but I think I’ve made my point. I would think that private schools could get by on a whole lot less money than $8k.

[zzz]

I agree with FLU about parental influence and peer influence. I went to a public school in a different state and it was by no means in a rich neighborhood. It was a large high school and what differentiated the education was whether you were taking AP classes. Yes there were a lot of Asians, but there were also whites, latinos, and blacks to a lesser extent in these classes. My friends and social circle were completely different than the kids in non AP classes. Most of my peers had been in an advanced track from the time they were in grade school. It breeds a very different mentality. Attending college wasn’t a question. It was how high is your SAT score compared to your friends or how well did you test, or where did you rank in your class? It was a highly competitve microenvironment within a school with many minority kids. Complete with gangs. It was about which colleges you got accepted into, not whether you were going. I had no concept if the non AP kids were thinking about college. My parents likewise always imparted the importance of education and college was never something I questioned until I actually go to college.

I agree that neighborhoods such as CV attract families who will do everything to buy a home there because of the school district. The people in that neighborhood are more likely to contain a peer group both at the parent level as well as at the kid level that are likeminded in their value system for education.

In my opinion, value of education has less to do with whether the parents are white collared or blue collar. It has to do with what type of profession the parents WANT their kids to be in, which are white collar ones. Parents, white or blue collar have to value education. I know many immigrant parents who may not have college educations due to lack of opportunity or access in their home country, but very much set the standard high for their kids. I also know white collar, college educated parents who are too busy, too selfish, too self absorbed, too hands off to provide guidance, participate in their children lives, or just fail to impart the value of education in their kids. Some of these kids flounder in life and don’t achieve the standard of living their parents do because education and working hard was never instilled in them.

[zzz]

I agree with FLU about parental influence and peer influence. I went to a public school in a different state and it was by no means in a rich neighborhood. It was a large high school and what differentiated the education was whether you were taking AP classes. Yes there were a lot of Asians, but there were also whites, latinos, and blacks to a lesser extent in these classes. My friends and social circle were completely different than the kids in non AP classes. Most of my peers had been in an advanced track from the time they were in grade school. It breeds a very different mentality. Attending college wasn’t a question. It was how high is your SAT score compared to your friends or how well did you test, or where did you rank in your class? It was a highly competitve microenvironment within a school with many minority kids. Complete with gangs. It was about which colleges you got accepted into, not whether you were going. I had no concept if the non AP kids were thinking about college. My parents likewise always imparted the importance of education and college was never something I questioned until I actually go to college.

I agree that neighborhoods such as CV attract families who will do everything to buy a home there because of the school district. The people in that neighborhood are more likely to contain a peer group both at the parent level as well as at the kid level that are likeminded in their value system for education.

In my opinion, value of education has less to do with whether the parents are white collared or blue collar. It has to do with what type of profession the parents WANT their kids to be in, which are white collar ones. Parents, white or blue collar have to value education. I know many immigrant parents who may not have college educations due to lack of opportunity or access in their home country, but very much set the standard high for their kids. I also know white collar, college educated parents who are too busy, too selfish, too self absorbed, too hands off to provide guidance, participate in their children lives, or just fail to impart the value of education in their kids. Some of these kids flounder in life and don’t achieve the standard of living their parents do because education and working hard was never instilled in them.

[zzz]

I agree with FLU about parental influence and peer influence. I went to a public school in a different state and it was by no means in a rich neighborhood. It was a large high school and what differentiated the education was whether you were taking AP classes. Yes there were a lot of Asians, but there were also whites, latinos, and blacks to a lesser extent in these classes. My friends and social circle were completely different than the kids in non AP classes. Most of my peers had been in an advanced track from the time they were in grade school. It breeds a very different mentality. Attending college wasn’t a question. It was how high is your SAT score compared to your friends or how well did you test, or where did you rank in your class? It was a highly competitve microenvironment within a school with many minority kids. Complete with gangs. It was about which colleges you got accepted into, not whether you were going. I had no concept if the non AP kids were thinking about college. My parents likewise always imparted the importance of education and college was never something I questioned until I actually go to college.

I agree that neighborhoods such as CV attract families who will do everything to buy a home there because of the school district. The people in that neighborhood are more likely to contain a peer group both at the parent level as well as at the kid level that are likeminded in their value system for education.

In my opinion, value of education has less to do with whether the parents are white collared or blue collar. It has to do with what type of profession the parents WANT their kids to be in, which are white collar ones. Parents, white or blue collar have to value education. I know many immigrant parents who may not have college educations due to lack of opportunity or access in their home country, but very much set the standard high for their kids. I also know white collar, college educated parents who are too busy, too selfish, too self absorbed, too hands off to provide guidance, participate in their children lives, or just fail to impart the value of education in their kids. Some of these kids flounder in life and don’t achieve the standard of living their parents do because education and working hard was never instilled in them.

[zzz]

I agree with FLU about parental influence and peer influence. I went to a public school in a different state and it was by no means in a rich neighborhood. It was a large high school and what differentiated the education was whether you were taking AP classes. Yes there were a lot of Asians, but there were also whites, latinos, and blacks to a lesser extent in these classes. My friends and social circle were completely different than the kids in non AP classes. Most of my peers had been in an advanced track from the time they were in grade school. It breeds a very different mentality. Attending college wasn’t a question. It was how high is your SAT score compared to your friends or how well did you test, or where did you rank in your class? It was a highly competitve microenvironment within a school with many minority kids. Complete with gangs. It was about which colleges you got accepted into, not whether you were going. I had no concept if the non AP kids were thinking about college. My parents likewise always imparted the importance of education and college was never something I questioned until I actually go to college.

I agree that neighborhoods such as CV attract families who will do everything to buy a home there because of the school district. The people in that neighborhood are more likely to contain a peer group both at the parent level as well as at the kid level that are likeminded in their value system for education.

In my opinion, value of education has less to do with whether the parents are white collared or blue collar. It has to do with what type of profession the parents WANT their kids to be in, which are white collar ones. Parents, white or blue collar have to value education. I know many immigrant parents who may not have college educations due to lack of opportunity or access in their home country, but very much set the standard high for their kids. I also know white collar, college educated parents who are too busy, too selfish, too self absorbed, too hands off to provide guidance, participate in their children lives, or just fail to impart the value of education in their kids. Some of these kids flounder in life and don’t achieve the standard of living their parents do because education and working hard was never instilled in them.

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