do you know what the federal reserve is?

[investor]

[quote=jpinpb]investor – I have not read the book (and I’ve got too much going on to read it – maybe someday when/if I retire).

As I said way back, I did watch Money Masters. I found it an interesting take on history and economics and government. True or not. I tend to think it’s true.

Someone told me the general public can’t be told the truth. There would be anarchy. So I always think of that famous movie line, “You can’t handle the truth.” And some truths are just too horrible to believe it’s true. Much easier to think people are “conspiracy theorists.”

In any case, I have don’t have any better info, nor do I have answers. I only have questions, one which I posed earlier. What can we do about it?[/quote]
Have the fed completly audited through pressure on congress, to include ownership of all stock.

[jpinpb]

[quote=investor]Have the fed completly audited through pressure on congress, to include ownership of all stock.[/quote]

I honestly don’t see that happening. Everyone in Congress would be bought before that happens. Heck, even if that were ever to happen, how hard is it to cook books nowadays?

[jpinpb]

[quote=investor]Have the fed completly audited through pressure on congress, to include ownership of all stock.[/quote]

I honestly don’t see that happening. Everyone in Congress would be bought before that happens. Heck, even if that were ever to happen, how hard is it to cook books nowadays?

[jpinpb]

[quote=investor]Have the fed completly audited through pressure on congress, to include ownership of all stock.[/quote]

I honestly don’t see that happening. Everyone in Congress would be bought before that happens. Heck, even if that were ever to happen, how hard is it to cook books nowadays?

[jpinpb]

[quote=investor]Have the fed completly audited through pressure on congress, to include ownership of all stock.[/quote]

I honestly don’t see that happening. Everyone in Congress would be bought before that happens. Heck, even if that were ever to happen, how hard is it to cook books nowadays?

[jpinpb]

[quote=investor]Have the fed completly audited through pressure on congress, to include ownership of all stock.[/quote]

I honestly don’t see that happening. Everyone in Congress would be bought before that happens. Heck, even if that were ever to happen, how hard is it to cook books nowadays?

[investor]

[quote=davelj][quote=investor] What is interesting is that no one had any info better than what griffin had on pages 195 to 201 of his book.

[snip]

I repeat, not one post offered any new information on the money flow through the fed. I find that very illuminating.[/quote]

First of all, I doubt anyone here but yourself has bothered to read Griffin’s book (correct me if I’m wrong, “anyone”). Secondly, even if they had, I doubt anyone’s going to spend thousands of words rebutting SIX pages of points made by Griffin regarding the money flow through the Fed.

I could point to some obscure book on finance that spends six pages making some obscure point and then say, “See? No one is willing to refute the author’s point, therefore it must be correct!!”

Speaking for myself – I just don’t care enough what you think or why you think it to bother. And I doubt anyone else here does either. That should not be particularly illuminating.[/quote]
Davelj. Thank you for your reply. If you had read those 6 pages, you would find that they offer a detailed look at how the money flows into and out of the fed. Information that is hard to find and the fact that it is hard to find is what is illuminating about this subject, that no-one knows this information. Information about the entire money supply of the USA. You don’t know this information, don’t even care to read it, ridicule the source and then insult me by saying that no-one here cares what I think. I usually ignore ignorant statements like these but in your case, I will respond. Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive and tends to stop intelligent discourse on any subject. I hope that your posts are not a reflection of the rest of your life because if it is, you are probably one angry, un-happy individual. good luck.

[investor]

[quote=davelj][quote=investor] What is interesting is that no one had any info better than what griffin had on pages 195 to 201 of his book.

[snip]

I repeat, not one post offered any new information on the money flow through the fed. I find that very illuminating.[/quote]

First of all, I doubt anyone here but yourself has bothered to read Griffin’s book (correct me if I’m wrong, “anyone”). Secondly, even if they had, I doubt anyone’s going to spend thousands of words rebutting SIX pages of points made by Griffin regarding the money flow through the Fed.

I could point to some obscure book on finance that spends six pages making some obscure point and then say, “See? No one is willing to refute the author’s point, therefore it must be correct!!”

Speaking for myself – I just don’t care enough what you think or why you think it to bother. And I doubt anyone else here does either. That should not be particularly illuminating.[/quote]
Davelj. Thank you for your reply. If you had read those 6 pages, you would find that they offer a detailed look at how the money flows into and out of the fed. Information that is hard to find and the fact that it is hard to find is what is illuminating about this subject, that no-one knows this information. Information about the entire money supply of the USA. You don’t know this information, don’t even care to read it, ridicule the source and then insult me by saying that no-one here cares what I think. I usually ignore ignorant statements like these but in your case, I will respond. Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive and tends to stop intelligent discourse on any subject. I hope that your posts are not a reflection of the rest of your life because if it is, you are probably one angry, un-happy individual. good luck.

[investor]

[quote=davelj][quote=investor] What is interesting is that no one had any info better than what griffin had on pages 195 to 201 of his book.

[snip]

I repeat, not one post offered any new information on the money flow through the fed. I find that very illuminating.[/quote]

First of all, I doubt anyone here but yourself has bothered to read Griffin’s book (correct me if I’m wrong, “anyone”). Secondly, even if they had, I doubt anyone’s going to spend thousands of words rebutting SIX pages of points made by Griffin regarding the money flow through the Fed.

I could point to some obscure book on finance that spends six pages making some obscure point and then say, “See? No one is willing to refute the author’s point, therefore it must be correct!!”

Speaking for myself – I just don’t care enough what you think or why you think it to bother. And I doubt anyone else here does either. That should not be particularly illuminating.[/quote]
Davelj. Thank you for your reply. If you had read those 6 pages, you would find that they offer a detailed look at how the money flows into and out of the fed. Information that is hard to find and the fact that it is hard to find is what is illuminating about this subject, that no-one knows this information. Information about the entire money supply of the USA. You don’t know this information, don’t even care to read it, ridicule the source and then insult me by saying that no-one here cares what I think. I usually ignore ignorant statements like these but in your case, I will respond. Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive and tends to stop intelligent discourse on any subject. I hope that your posts are not a reflection of the rest of your life because if it is, you are probably one angry, un-happy individual. good luck.

[investor]

[quote=davelj][quote=investor] What is interesting is that no one had any info better than what griffin had on pages 195 to 201 of his book.

[snip]

I repeat, not one post offered any new information on the money flow through the fed. I find that very illuminating.[/quote]

First of all, I doubt anyone here but yourself has bothered to read Griffin’s book (correct me if I’m wrong, “anyone”). Secondly, even if they had, I doubt anyone’s going to spend thousands of words rebutting SIX pages of points made by Griffin regarding the money flow through the Fed.

I could point to some obscure book on finance that spends six pages making some obscure point and then say, “See? No one is willing to refute the author’s point, therefore it must be correct!!”

Speaking for myself – I just don’t care enough what you think or why you think it to bother. And I doubt anyone else here does either. That should not be particularly illuminating.[/quote]
Davelj. Thank you for your reply. If you had read those 6 pages, you would find that they offer a detailed look at how the money flows into and out of the fed. Information that is hard to find and the fact that it is hard to find is what is illuminating about this subject, that no-one knows this information. Information about the entire money supply of the USA. You don’t know this information, don’t even care to read it, ridicule the source and then insult me by saying that no-one here cares what I think. I usually ignore ignorant statements like these but in your case, I will respond. Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive and tends to stop intelligent discourse on any subject. I hope that your posts are not a reflection of the rest of your life because if it is, you are probably one angry, un-happy individual. good luck.

[investor]

[quote=davelj][quote=investor] What is interesting is that no one had any info better than what griffin had on pages 195 to 201 of his book.

[snip]

I repeat, not one post offered any new information on the money flow through the fed. I find that very illuminating.[/quote]

First of all, I doubt anyone here but yourself has bothered to read Griffin’s book (correct me if I’m wrong, “anyone”). Secondly, even if they had, I doubt anyone’s going to spend thousands of words rebutting SIX pages of points made by Griffin regarding the money flow through the Fed.

I could point to some obscure book on finance that spends six pages making some obscure point and then say, “See? No one is willing to refute the author’s point, therefore it must be correct!!”

Speaking for myself – I just don’t care enough what you think or why you think it to bother. And I doubt anyone else here does either. That should not be particularly illuminating.[/quote]
Davelj. Thank you for your reply. If you had read those 6 pages, you would find that they offer a detailed look at how the money flows into and out of the fed. Information that is hard to find and the fact that it is hard to find is what is illuminating about this subject, that no-one knows this information. Information about the entire money supply of the USA. You don’t know this information, don’t even care to read it, ridicule the source and then insult me by saying that no-one here cares what I think. I usually ignore ignorant statements like these but in your case, I will respond. Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive and tends to stop intelligent discourse on any subject. I hope that your posts are not a reflection of the rest of your life because if it is, you are probably one angry, un-happy individual. good luck.

[davelj]

[quote=investor]
Davelj. Thank you for your reply. [/quote]

Happy to help out.

[quote=investor]
If you had read those 6 pages, you would find that they offer a detailed look at how the money flows into and out of the fed. Information that is hard to find and the fact that it is hard to find is what is illuminating about this subject, that no-one knows this information. Information about the entire money supply of the USA. You don’t know this information, don’t even care to read it, ridicule the source and then insult me by saying that no-one here cares what I think. [/quote]

How the money flows into and out of the Fed is covered in most basic Money and Banking classes. (And, yes, I have a good understanding of the fundamentals – although admittedly I have not analyzed Griffin’s INTERPRETATION of the fundamentals. Reading every conspiratorial account regarding the Fed would take quite some time, I think you’d agree.) There are innumerable articles on the subject as well. (This is where you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty and/or laziness for not reproducing all of the relevant chapters and articles, right?) That you believe this Griffin and his acolytes are the only folks on the planet who understand the great mystery of “how it all fits together” is the height of arrogance and presumptuousness.

[quote=investor]
I usually ignore ignorant statements like these but in your case, I will respond. Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive and tends to stop intelligent discourse on any subject. I hope that your posts are not a reflection of the rest of your life because if it is, you are probably one angry, un-happy individual. good luck.[/quote]

“Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive… etc.” You cannot be serious. Are your feelings really that easily hurt? I had no idea that you were such a delicate flower, Oh Great Arbiter of What Constitutes Intelligent Discourse and What Does Not. Do you read what you write? Wowsers.

Actually, my posts are often a reflection of my life. But you wouldn’t know that because, well, you’ve been at this site for all of 4 months. I’ve been here for over 4 years. For better or worse, I have a pretty large body of work here at Piggington. So, you could choose to do a little due diligence before making such a blanket statement. Or not. At the end of the day, after all, it’s mind over matter. I don’t mind because you don’t matter. (I don’t matter, either, by the way. The only difference between us is that I KNOW I don’t matter. You clearly mistake yourself for relevant.)

Now, I’m sure you’re going to continue this dialogue with more of what only you define as Intelligent Discourse. Do continue to enlighten us all with your Great Wisdom, “investor.” In the meantime, I need to get back to being an “angry, un-happy [sic] individual.” Bah Humbug!!

[davelj]

[quote=investor]
Davelj. Thank you for your reply. [/quote]

Happy to help out.

[quote=investor]
If you had read those 6 pages, you would find that they offer a detailed look at how the money flows into and out of the fed. Information that is hard to find and the fact that it is hard to find is what is illuminating about this subject, that no-one knows this information. Information about the entire money supply of the USA. You don’t know this information, don’t even care to read it, ridicule the source and then insult me by saying that no-one here cares what I think. [/quote]

How the money flows into and out of the Fed is covered in most basic Money and Banking classes. (And, yes, I have a good understanding of the fundamentals – although admittedly I have not analyzed Griffin’s INTERPRETATION of the fundamentals. Reading every conspiratorial account regarding the Fed would take quite some time, I think you’d agree.) There are innumerable articles on the subject as well. (This is where you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty and/or laziness for not reproducing all of the relevant chapters and articles, right?) That you believe this Griffin and his acolytes are the only folks on the planet who understand the great mystery of “how it all fits together” is the height of arrogance and presumptuousness.

[quote=investor]
I usually ignore ignorant statements like these but in your case, I will respond. Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive and tends to stop intelligent discourse on any subject. I hope that your posts are not a reflection of the rest of your life because if it is, you are probably one angry, un-happy individual. good luck.[/quote]

“Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive… etc.” You cannot be serious. Are your feelings really that easily hurt? I had no idea that you were such a delicate flower, Oh Great Arbiter of What Constitutes Intelligent Discourse and What Does Not. Do you read what you write? Wowsers.

Actually, my posts are often a reflection of my life. But you wouldn’t know that because, well, you’ve been at this site for all of 4 months. I’ve been here for over 4 years. For better or worse, I have a pretty large body of work here at Piggington. So, you could choose to do a little due diligence before making such a blanket statement. Or not. At the end of the day, after all, it’s mind over matter. I don’t mind because you don’t matter. (I don’t matter, either, by the way. The only difference between us is that I KNOW I don’t matter. You clearly mistake yourself for relevant.)

Now, I’m sure you’re going to continue this dialogue with more of what only you define as Intelligent Discourse. Do continue to enlighten us all with your Great Wisdom, “investor.” In the meantime, I need to get back to being an “angry, un-happy [sic] individual.” Bah Humbug!!

[davelj]

[quote=investor]
Davelj. Thank you for your reply. [/quote]

Happy to help out.

[quote=investor]
If you had read those 6 pages, you would find that they offer a detailed look at how the money flows into and out of the fed. Information that is hard to find and the fact that it is hard to find is what is illuminating about this subject, that no-one knows this information. Information about the entire money supply of the USA. You don’t know this information, don’t even care to read it, ridicule the source and then insult me by saying that no-one here cares what I think. [/quote]

How the money flows into and out of the Fed is covered in most basic Money and Banking classes. (And, yes, I have a good understanding of the fundamentals – although admittedly I have not analyzed Griffin’s INTERPRETATION of the fundamentals. Reading every conspiratorial account regarding the Fed would take quite some time, I think you’d agree.) There are innumerable articles on the subject as well. (This is where you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty and/or laziness for not reproducing all of the relevant chapters and articles, right?) That you believe this Griffin and his acolytes are the only folks on the planet who understand the great mystery of “how it all fits together” is the height of arrogance and presumptuousness.

[quote=investor]
I usually ignore ignorant statements like these but in your case, I will respond. Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive and tends to stop intelligent discourse on any subject. I hope that your posts are not a reflection of the rest of your life because if it is, you are probably one angry, un-happy individual. good luck.[/quote]

“Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive… etc.” You cannot be serious. Are your feelings really that easily hurt? I had no idea that you were such a delicate flower, Oh Great Arbiter of What Constitutes Intelligent Discourse and What Does Not. Do you read what you write? Wowsers.

Actually, my posts are often a reflection of my life. But you wouldn’t know that because, well, you’ve been at this site for all of 4 months. I’ve been here for over 4 years. For better or worse, I have a pretty large body of work here at Piggington. So, you could choose to do a little due diligence before making such a blanket statement. Or not. At the end of the day, after all, it’s mind over matter. I don’t mind because you don’t matter. (I don’t matter, either, by the way. The only difference between us is that I KNOW I don’t matter. You clearly mistake yourself for relevant.)

Now, I’m sure you’re going to continue this dialogue with more of what only you define as Intelligent Discourse. Do continue to enlighten us all with your Great Wisdom, “investor.” In the meantime, I need to get back to being an “angry, un-happy [sic] individual.” Bah Humbug!!

[davelj]

[quote=investor]
Davelj. Thank you for your reply. [/quote]

Happy to help out.

[quote=investor]
If you had read those 6 pages, you would find that they offer a detailed look at how the money flows into and out of the fed. Information that is hard to find and the fact that it is hard to find is what is illuminating about this subject, that no-one knows this information. Information about the entire money supply of the USA. You don’t know this information, don’t even care to read it, ridicule the source and then insult me by saying that no-one here cares what I think. [/quote]

How the money flows into and out of the Fed is covered in most basic Money and Banking classes. (And, yes, I have a good understanding of the fundamentals – although admittedly I have not analyzed Griffin’s INTERPRETATION of the fundamentals. Reading every conspiratorial account regarding the Fed would take quite some time, I think you’d agree.) There are innumerable articles on the subject as well. (This is where you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty and/or laziness for not reproducing all of the relevant chapters and articles, right?) That you believe this Griffin and his acolytes are the only folks on the planet who understand the great mystery of “how it all fits together” is the height of arrogance and presumptuousness.

[quote=investor]
I usually ignore ignorant statements like these but in your case, I will respond. Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive and tends to stop intelligent discourse on any subject. I hope that your posts are not a reflection of the rest of your life because if it is, you are probably one angry, un-happy individual. good luck.[/quote]

“Please do not respond to any further posts that I make as your input is not positive… etc.” You cannot be serious. Are your feelings really that easily hurt? I had no idea that you were such a delicate flower, Oh Great Arbiter of What Constitutes Intelligent Discourse and What Does Not. Do you read what you write? Wowsers.

Actually, my posts are often a reflection of my life. But you wouldn’t know that because, well, you’ve been at this site for all of 4 months. I’ve been here for over 4 years. For better or worse, I have a pretty large body of work here at Piggington. So, you could choose to do a little due diligence before making such a blanket statement. Or not. At the end of the day, after all, it’s mind over matter. I don’t mind because you don’t matter. (I don’t matter, either, by the way. The only difference between us is that I KNOW I don’t matter. You clearly mistake yourself for relevant.)

Now, I’m sure you’re going to continue this dialogue with more of what only you define as Intelligent Discourse. Do continue to enlighten us all with your Great Wisdom, “investor.” In the meantime, I need to get back to being an “angry, un-happy [sic] individual.” Bah Humbug!!

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