do you know what the federal reserve is?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=eavesdropper]
You are playing a dangerous game with your freedom when you remain in selective ignorance by placing all your trust in authors whose writings mirror your own thoughts, philosophies, and prejudices.[/quote]

Excellent quote, eavesdropper. Investor, I’d use the example of selecting a surgeon for a very dangerous brain operation. I’d imagine you’d do a great deal of research on this doctor, including verifying that he/she is a Fellow with the American College of Surgeons (FACS), has done this operation (and with success) numerous times before, and is well regarded as a leader in the field of brain surgery.

I cannot imagine you’d simply pick someone because they told you they’d read some books on the subject, found it interesting, and would like to take a crack at trepanning you for the hell of it.

You mentioned that I like to fight. I actually don’t. I enjoy debating tremendously and I hate being misquoted. In this case, I found your lack of intellectual curiosity frustrating, especially given your slavish adherence to what amounts to a crackpot (hence my suggestion to do a little digging into Mr. Griffin’s background). Further, you had professionals like SK (CPA) and Davelj (banking and finance) weighing in and offering excellent insights on the subject and you’re retorting with Wiki entries and an added dollop of Griffin.

As with anything else: DIG. Even more important, find the facts. “In God We Trust. Everyone Else Bring Data”. A most excellent tagline, don’t you agree?

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
You mentioned that I like to fight. I actually don’t. I enjoy debating tremendously and I hate being misquoted. In this case, I found your lack of intellectual curiosity frustrating, especially given your slavish adherence to what amounts to a crackpot (hence my suggestion to do a little digging into Mr. Griffin’s background). Further, you had professionals like SK (CPA) and Davelj (banking and finance) weighing in and offering excellent insights on the subject and you’re retorting with Wiki entries and an added dollop of Griffin.

As with anything else: DIG. Even more important, find the facts. “In God We Trust. Everyone Else Bring Data”. A most excellent tagline, don’t you agree?[/quote]

Alan, I’m going to use your line to make an important distinction to Investor, and others like him.

For people like Allan, myself, and many others on this forum, this isn’t a matter of competition, or who “wins”. We like debate and discussion for its own sake. In the process, we satisfy our intellectual curiosity, and, if we’re particularly lucky, learn something that will impress people at cocktail parties. I personally, have no interest in being abusive to anyone, and go out of my way to be open-minded and cordial. But I get upset by those who are not, and by those who use opinions as “fact” and, in lieu of offering backup, accuse me of “just not getting it”.

I have enough faith in my opinions and philosophies to defend them vigorously, but will readily revise them when provided with evidence that my views are erroneous. I’m not sure that I see where I’m committing a felony by following this practice, or threatening the security of the U.S., but, based on the reactions I get from lots(!) of people, you would think I was. I have relatives that, I swear, call the Department of Homeland Security or F.B.I. behind my back (there’s no question that they’ve repeatedly called the priest) when I venture a differing opinion, or ask them to evidence of theirs.

Allan, permit me to expand your final line, from “bring data” to “bring independent, reputable, and valid data”.

By the way, do you KNOW anyone who practices trepanning? I’m looking for a gift for an ex-husband who has everything.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
You mentioned that I like to fight. I actually don’t. I enjoy debating tremendously and I hate being misquoted. In this case, I found your lack of intellectual curiosity frustrating, especially given your slavish adherence to what amounts to a crackpot (hence my suggestion to do a little digging into Mr. Griffin’s background). Further, you had professionals like SK (CPA) and Davelj (banking and finance) weighing in and offering excellent insights on the subject and you’re retorting with Wiki entries and an added dollop of Griffin.

As with anything else: DIG. Even more important, find the facts. “In God We Trust. Everyone Else Bring Data”. A most excellent tagline, don’t you agree?[/quote]

Alan, I’m going to use your line to make an important distinction to Investor, and others like him.

For people like Allan, myself, and many others on this forum, this isn’t a matter of competition, or who “wins”. We like debate and discussion for its own sake. In the process, we satisfy our intellectual curiosity, and, if we’re particularly lucky, learn something that will impress people at cocktail parties. I personally, have no interest in being abusive to anyone, and go out of my way to be open-minded and cordial. But I get upset by those who are not, and by those who use opinions as “fact” and, in lieu of offering backup, accuse me of “just not getting it”.

I have enough faith in my opinions and philosophies to defend them vigorously, but will readily revise them when provided with evidence that my views are erroneous. I’m not sure that I see where I’m committing a felony by following this practice, or threatening the security of the U.S., but, based on the reactions I get from lots(!) of people, you would think I was. I have relatives that, I swear, call the Department of Homeland Security or F.B.I. behind my back (there’s no question that they’ve repeatedly called the priest) when I venture a differing opinion, or ask them to evidence of theirs.

Allan, permit me to expand your final line, from “bring data” to “bring independent, reputable, and valid data”.

By the way, do you KNOW anyone who practices trepanning? I’m looking for a gift for an ex-husband who has everything.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
You mentioned that I like to fight. I actually don’t. I enjoy debating tremendously and I hate being misquoted. In this case, I found your lack of intellectual curiosity frustrating, especially given your slavish adherence to what amounts to a crackpot (hence my suggestion to do a little digging into Mr. Griffin’s background). Further, you had professionals like SK (CPA) and Davelj (banking and finance) weighing in and offering excellent insights on the subject and you’re retorting with Wiki entries and an added dollop of Griffin.

As with anything else: DIG. Even more important, find the facts. “In God We Trust. Everyone Else Bring Data”. A most excellent tagline, don’t you agree?[/quote]

Alan, I’m going to use your line to make an important distinction to Investor, and others like him.

For people like Allan, myself, and many others on this forum, this isn’t a matter of competition, or who “wins”. We like debate and discussion for its own sake. In the process, we satisfy our intellectual curiosity, and, if we’re particularly lucky, learn something that will impress people at cocktail parties. I personally, have no interest in being abusive to anyone, and go out of my way to be open-minded and cordial. But I get upset by those who are not, and by those who use opinions as “fact” and, in lieu of offering backup, accuse me of “just not getting it”.

I have enough faith in my opinions and philosophies to defend them vigorously, but will readily revise them when provided with evidence that my views are erroneous. I’m not sure that I see where I’m committing a felony by following this practice, or threatening the security of the U.S., but, based on the reactions I get from lots(!) of people, you would think I was. I have relatives that, I swear, call the Department of Homeland Security or F.B.I. behind my back (there’s no question that they’ve repeatedly called the priest) when I venture a differing opinion, or ask them to evidence of theirs.

Allan, permit me to expand your final line, from “bring data” to “bring independent, reputable, and valid data”.

By the way, do you KNOW anyone who practices trepanning? I’m looking for a gift for an ex-husband who has everything.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
You mentioned that I like to fight. I actually don’t. I enjoy debating tremendously and I hate being misquoted. In this case, I found your lack of intellectual curiosity frustrating, especially given your slavish adherence to what amounts to a crackpot (hence my suggestion to do a little digging into Mr. Griffin’s background). Further, you had professionals like SK (CPA) and Davelj (banking and finance) weighing in and offering excellent insights on the subject and you’re retorting with Wiki entries and an added dollop of Griffin.

As with anything else: DIG. Even more important, find the facts. “In God We Trust. Everyone Else Bring Data”. A most excellent tagline, don’t you agree?[/quote]

Alan, I’m going to use your line to make an important distinction to Investor, and others like him.

For people like Allan, myself, and many others on this forum, this isn’t a matter of competition, or who “wins”. We like debate and discussion for its own sake. In the process, we satisfy our intellectual curiosity, and, if we’re particularly lucky, learn something that will impress people at cocktail parties. I personally, have no interest in being abusive to anyone, and go out of my way to be open-minded and cordial. But I get upset by those who are not, and by those who use opinions as “fact” and, in lieu of offering backup, accuse me of “just not getting it”.

I have enough faith in my opinions and philosophies to defend them vigorously, but will readily revise them when provided with evidence that my views are erroneous. I’m not sure that I see where I’m committing a felony by following this practice, or threatening the security of the U.S., but, based on the reactions I get from lots(!) of people, you would think I was. I have relatives that, I swear, call the Department of Homeland Security or F.B.I. behind my back (there’s no question that they’ve repeatedly called the priest) when I venture a differing opinion, or ask them to evidence of theirs.

Allan, permit me to expand your final line, from “bring data” to “bring independent, reputable, and valid data”.

By the way, do you KNOW anyone who practices trepanning? I’m looking for a gift for an ex-husband who has everything.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
You mentioned that I like to fight. I actually don’t. I enjoy debating tremendously and I hate being misquoted. In this case, I found your lack of intellectual curiosity frustrating, especially given your slavish adherence to what amounts to a crackpot (hence my suggestion to do a little digging into Mr. Griffin’s background). Further, you had professionals like SK (CPA) and Davelj (banking and finance) weighing in and offering excellent insights on the subject and you’re retorting with Wiki entries and an added dollop of Griffin.

As with anything else: DIG. Even more important, find the facts. “In God We Trust. Everyone Else Bring Data”. A most excellent tagline, don’t you agree?[/quote]

Alan, I’m going to use your line to make an important distinction to Investor, and others like him.

For people like Allan, myself, and many others on this forum, this isn’t a matter of competition, or who “wins”. We like debate and discussion for its own sake. In the process, we satisfy our intellectual curiosity, and, if we’re particularly lucky, learn something that will impress people at cocktail parties. I personally, have no interest in being abusive to anyone, and go out of my way to be open-minded and cordial. But I get upset by those who are not, and by those who use opinions as “fact” and, in lieu of offering backup, accuse me of “just not getting it”.

I have enough faith in my opinions and philosophies to defend them vigorously, but will readily revise them when provided with evidence that my views are erroneous. I’m not sure that I see where I’m committing a felony by following this practice, or threatening the security of the U.S., but, based on the reactions I get from lots(!) of people, you would think I was. I have relatives that, I swear, call the Department of Homeland Security or F.B.I. behind my back (there’s no question that they’ve repeatedly called the priest) when I venture a differing opinion, or ask them to evidence of theirs.

Allan, permit me to expand your final line, from “bring data” to “bring independent, reputable, and valid data”.

By the way, do you KNOW anyone who practices trepanning? I’m looking for a gift for an ex-husband who has everything.

[investor]

allen,
I was hoping that you might admit that your last post to me was erroniously painting me with opinions that I don’t have since your last site quoted a saying that I did not say. Anyway. you and eavsdropper make good points. I’d like to hear what both of you have to say about the following video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related. Barney frank was also having an affair with the head of either freddie or fannie at the same time they were being pressured to allow low income people (minorities amoung them) access to mortgages that they could not pay back. Investors then jumped on board and help create the mess that we are in today.I have never said that these topics are easy. I haven’t just read griffin. I have yet to hear from you three tho, how the money flows in the federal reserve. I know that it goes in and out, that is obvious. What is not obvious is who controlls what goes in and where does the money go out to? How much interest does the fed keep versus give back to the treasury?

[investor]

allen,
I was hoping that you might admit that your last post to me was erroniously painting me with opinions that I don’t have since your last site quoted a saying that I did not say. Anyway. you and eavsdropper make good points. I’d like to hear what both of you have to say about the following video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related. Barney frank was also having an affair with the head of either freddie or fannie at the same time they were being pressured to allow low income people (minorities amoung them) access to mortgages that they could not pay back. Investors then jumped on board and help create the mess that we are in today.I have never said that these topics are easy. I haven’t just read griffin. I have yet to hear from you three tho, how the money flows in the federal reserve. I know that it goes in and out, that is obvious. What is not obvious is who controlls what goes in and where does the money go out to? How much interest does the fed keep versus give back to the treasury?

[investor]

allen,
I was hoping that you might admit that your last post to me was erroniously painting me with opinions that I don’t have since your last site quoted a saying that I did not say. Anyway. you and eavsdropper make good points. I’d like to hear what both of you have to say about the following video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related. Barney frank was also having an affair with the head of either freddie or fannie at the same time they were being pressured to allow low income people (minorities amoung them) access to mortgages that they could not pay back. Investors then jumped on board and help create the mess that we are in today.I have never said that these topics are easy. I haven’t just read griffin. I have yet to hear from you three tho, how the money flows in the federal reserve. I know that it goes in and out, that is obvious. What is not obvious is who controlls what goes in and where does the money go out to? How much interest does the fed keep versus give back to the treasury?

[investor]

allen,
I was hoping that you might admit that your last post to me was erroniously painting me with opinions that I don’t have since your last site quoted a saying that I did not say. Anyway. you and eavsdropper make good points. I’d like to hear what both of you have to say about the following video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related. Barney frank was also having an affair with the head of either freddie or fannie at the same time they were being pressured to allow low income people (minorities amoung them) access to mortgages that they could not pay back. Investors then jumped on board and help create the mess that we are in today.I have never said that these topics are easy. I haven’t just read griffin. I have yet to hear from you three tho, how the money flows in the federal reserve. I know that it goes in and out, that is obvious. What is not obvious is who controlls what goes in and where does the money go out to? How much interest does the fed keep versus give back to the treasury?

[investor]

allen,
I was hoping that you might admit that your last post to me was erroniously painting me with opinions that I don’t have since your last site quoted a saying that I did not say. Anyway. you and eavsdropper make good points. I’d like to hear what both of you have to say about the following video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related. Barney frank was also having an affair with the head of either freddie or fannie at the same time they were being pressured to allow low income people (minorities amoung them) access to mortgages that they could not pay back. Investors then jumped on board and help create the mess that we are in today.I have never said that these topics are easy. I haven’t just read griffin. I have yet to hear from you three tho, how the money flows in the federal reserve. I know that it goes in and out, that is obvious. What is not obvious is who controlls what goes in and where does the money go out to? How much interest does the fed keep versus give back to the treasury?

[jpinpb]

Interesting video clip. And yet who started bailing out banks? Not defending or attacking either party b/c IMO they have both shared in the blame.

[jpinpb]

Interesting video clip. And yet who started bailing out banks? Not defending or attacking either party b/c IMO they have both shared in the blame.

[jpinpb]

Interesting video clip. And yet who started bailing out banks? Not defending or attacking either party b/c IMO they have both shared in the blame.

[jpinpb]

Interesting video clip. And yet who started bailing out banks? Not defending or attacking either party b/c IMO they have both shared in the blame.

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