do you know what the federal reserve is?

[SK in CV]

Thanks for posting that davelj.

Conspiracy theories about the fed have been circulating for almost 100 years. The freemasons, the illuminati, the Rockefellers, JP Morgan and dozens more have been accused of running it, and manipulating the flow of funds that control the US (and to a great extent, the world) economy.

It’s primary specific charges are to avoid panic, and manage the money supply to provide both elasticity and stability in the market. Are those functions being manipulated by those who own it? You betcha. Is it transparent? Nope. Same way Ford and BP and Alcoa attempt to manipulate their markets without complete transparency.

No excuses being made here, that’s just the way it was set up by congress, under powers of delegation specified in the constitution. Part of the financial reform now under consideration in congress are audit and review powers over the Fed. The fed is fighting those reforms, and as is typical, support has fallen mostly along partisan lines, with republicans also rejecting those powers, democrats supporting those reforms. Strangely, the white house has been less supportive than democrats in either house. Fodder for more conspiracy theories.

[investor]

If you owned stock in the federal reserve, would you want your ownership known if you didn’t have to? The fed was started in 1913 by 6 individuals who represented 25% of the world’s wealth. Do you truly believe that they gave their ownership away to 12 federal banks after buying off the 3 votes it took to pass the bill at midnight, 12/23/1913? These individuals were JD rockefeller, the warburg and rothschild families. The 12 federal banks do own some stack. Who owns the majority? Do you know? Probably the same ones that have ownership in the bank of england. This is not UFO’s, not the illuminati, not the knights templar. The biggest reason to doubt what I and others have outlined is that it hasn’t been made plain to the public and its hard to believe that this could be kept secret. Not one man in a million knows how the central banks function. That is a quote from one of the owners of the bank of england in the mid 1800’s. If I hadn’t researched it, I would doubt it as you do. Read the book “creature from jekyyl island”, follow what is going on with the federal reserve and after digesting it for a number of months, then tell me that this isn’t probably the biggest scam pupetrated against a modern society. Still don’t believe me and others? Then believe what thomas jefferson said and what andrew jackson said about central banks in the early 1800’s. Andrew jackson made the extermination of the third central bank the cornerstone of his second presidential run. The hundreds of billions that the american people owe the federal reserve for giving our own money back to us is insane.The bail outs of who knows who in back room deals with our money with bernanke refusing to tell congress where it is going, all indebting us to those other people, is also insane. The fed has never been audited. READ THE BOOK and then tell me that you don’t feel as I do.

[investor]

If you owned stock in the federal reserve, would you want your ownership known if you didn’t have to? The fed was started in 1913 by 6 individuals who represented 25% of the world’s wealth. Do you truly believe that they gave their ownership away to 12 federal banks after buying off the 3 votes it took to pass the bill at midnight, 12/23/1913? These individuals were JD rockefeller, the warburg and rothschild families. The 12 federal banks do own some stack. Who owns the majority? Do you know? Probably the same ones that have ownership in the bank of england. This is not UFO’s, not the illuminati, not the knights templar. The biggest reason to doubt what I and others have outlined is that it hasn’t been made plain to the public and its hard to believe that this could be kept secret. Not one man in a million knows how the central banks function. That is a quote from one of the owners of the bank of england in the mid 1800’s. If I hadn’t researched it, I would doubt it as you do. Read the book “creature from jekyyl island”, follow what is going on with the federal reserve and after digesting it for a number of months, then tell me that this isn’t probably the biggest scam pupetrated against a modern society. Still don’t believe me and others? Then believe what thomas jefferson said and what andrew jackson said about central banks in the early 1800’s. Andrew jackson made the extermination of the third central bank the cornerstone of his second presidential run. The hundreds of billions that the american people owe the federal reserve for giving our own money back to us is insane.The bail outs of who knows who in back room deals with our money with bernanke refusing to tell congress where it is going, all indebting us to those other people, is also insane. The fed has never been audited. READ THE BOOK and then tell me that you don’t feel as I do.

[investor]

If you owned stock in the federal reserve, would you want your ownership known if you didn’t have to? The fed was started in 1913 by 6 individuals who represented 25% of the world’s wealth. Do you truly believe that they gave their ownership away to 12 federal banks after buying off the 3 votes it took to pass the bill at midnight, 12/23/1913? These individuals were JD rockefeller, the warburg and rothschild families. The 12 federal banks do own some stack. Who owns the majority? Do you know? Probably the same ones that have ownership in the bank of england. This is not UFO’s, not the illuminati, not the knights templar. The biggest reason to doubt what I and others have outlined is that it hasn’t been made plain to the public and its hard to believe that this could be kept secret. Not one man in a million knows how the central banks function. That is a quote from one of the owners of the bank of england in the mid 1800’s. If I hadn’t researched it, I would doubt it as you do. Read the book “creature from jekyyl island”, follow what is going on with the federal reserve and after digesting it for a number of months, then tell me that this isn’t probably the biggest scam pupetrated against a modern society. Still don’t believe me and others? Then believe what thomas jefferson said and what andrew jackson said about central banks in the early 1800’s. Andrew jackson made the extermination of the third central bank the cornerstone of his second presidential run. The hundreds of billions that the american people owe the federal reserve for giving our own money back to us is insane.The bail outs of who knows who in back room deals with our money with bernanke refusing to tell congress where it is going, all indebting us to those other people, is also insane. The fed has never been audited. READ THE BOOK and then tell me that you don’t feel as I do.

[investor]

If you owned stock in the federal reserve, would you want your ownership known if you didn’t have to? The fed was started in 1913 by 6 individuals who represented 25% of the world’s wealth. Do you truly believe that they gave their ownership away to 12 federal banks after buying off the 3 votes it took to pass the bill at midnight, 12/23/1913? These individuals were JD rockefeller, the warburg and rothschild families. The 12 federal banks do own some stack. Who owns the majority? Do you know? Probably the same ones that have ownership in the bank of england. This is not UFO’s, not the illuminati, not the knights templar. The biggest reason to doubt what I and others have outlined is that it hasn’t been made plain to the public and its hard to believe that this could be kept secret. Not one man in a million knows how the central banks function. That is a quote from one of the owners of the bank of england in the mid 1800’s. If I hadn’t researched it, I would doubt it as you do. Read the book “creature from jekyyl island”, follow what is going on with the federal reserve and after digesting it for a number of months, then tell me that this isn’t probably the biggest scam pupetrated against a modern society. Still don’t believe me and others? Then believe what thomas jefferson said and what andrew jackson said about central banks in the early 1800’s. Andrew jackson made the extermination of the third central bank the cornerstone of his second presidential run. The hundreds of billions that the american people owe the federal reserve for giving our own money back to us is insane.The bail outs of who knows who in back room deals with our money with bernanke refusing to tell congress where it is going, all indebting us to those other people, is also insane. The fed has never been audited. READ THE BOOK and then tell me that you don’t feel as I do.

[investor]

If you owned stock in the federal reserve, would you want your ownership known if you didn’t have to? The fed was started in 1913 by 6 individuals who represented 25% of the world’s wealth. Do you truly believe that they gave their ownership away to 12 federal banks after buying off the 3 votes it took to pass the bill at midnight, 12/23/1913? These individuals were JD rockefeller, the warburg and rothschild families. The 12 federal banks do own some stack. Who owns the majority? Do you know? Probably the same ones that have ownership in the bank of england. This is not UFO’s, not the illuminati, not the knights templar. The biggest reason to doubt what I and others have outlined is that it hasn’t been made plain to the public and its hard to believe that this could be kept secret. Not one man in a million knows how the central banks function. That is a quote from one of the owners of the bank of england in the mid 1800’s. If I hadn’t researched it, I would doubt it as you do. Read the book “creature from jekyyl island”, follow what is going on with the federal reserve and after digesting it for a number of months, then tell me that this isn’t probably the biggest scam pupetrated against a modern society. Still don’t believe me and others? Then believe what thomas jefferson said and what andrew jackson said about central banks in the early 1800’s. Andrew jackson made the extermination of the third central bank the cornerstone of his second presidential run. The hundreds of billions that the american people owe the federal reserve for giving our own money back to us is insane.The bail outs of who knows who in back room deals with our money with bernanke refusing to tell congress where it is going, all indebting us to those other people, is also insane. The fed has never been audited. READ THE BOOK and then tell me that you don’t feel as I do.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Investor: I have read the book. I’ve also read enough history, especially related to the various bank panics and runs, to realize that your rambling screed is fairly divorced from both reality and fact.

Do a little research on the Fed, with a concentration on Carter Glass and Nelson Aldrich. Read up on the Panic of 1907, and the desire to avoid similar panics through the institution of a central bank, similar to those being used by the British, French and Germans prior to WWI.

And for the record, there were central banks in the US prior to the Fed. See First Bank of the United States (ca. 1791) and Second Bank of the United States (ca. 1816). I’d also recommend doing a little bit more research into Jefferson and Jackson and their feelings on central banks before turning this into some sort of sinister cabal.

As the more serious posters on this board are fond of pointing out: BRING FACTS. Not some breathless tirade utterly devoid of them.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Investor: I have read the book. I’ve also read enough history, especially related to the various bank panics and runs, to realize that your rambling screed is fairly divorced from both reality and fact.

Do a little research on the Fed, with a concentration on Carter Glass and Nelson Aldrich. Read up on the Panic of 1907, and the desire to avoid similar panics through the institution of a central bank, similar to those being used by the British, French and Germans prior to WWI.

And for the record, there were central banks in the US prior to the Fed. See First Bank of the United States (ca. 1791) and Second Bank of the United States (ca. 1816). I’d also recommend doing a little bit more research into Jefferson and Jackson and their feelings on central banks before turning this into some sort of sinister cabal.

As the more serious posters on this board are fond of pointing out: BRING FACTS. Not some breathless tirade utterly devoid of them.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Investor: I have read the book. I’ve also read enough history, especially related to the various bank panics and runs, to realize that your rambling screed is fairly divorced from both reality and fact.

Do a little research on the Fed, with a concentration on Carter Glass and Nelson Aldrich. Read up on the Panic of 1907, and the desire to avoid similar panics through the institution of a central bank, similar to those being used by the British, French and Germans prior to WWI.

And for the record, there were central banks in the US prior to the Fed. See First Bank of the United States (ca. 1791) and Second Bank of the United States (ca. 1816). I’d also recommend doing a little bit more research into Jefferson and Jackson and their feelings on central banks before turning this into some sort of sinister cabal.

As the more serious posters on this board are fond of pointing out: BRING FACTS. Not some breathless tirade utterly devoid of them.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Investor: I have read the book. I’ve also read enough history, especially related to the various bank panics and runs, to realize that your rambling screed is fairly divorced from both reality and fact.

Do a little research on the Fed, with a concentration on Carter Glass and Nelson Aldrich. Read up on the Panic of 1907, and the desire to avoid similar panics through the institution of a central bank, similar to those being used by the British, French and Germans prior to WWI.

And for the record, there were central banks in the US prior to the Fed. See First Bank of the United States (ca. 1791) and Second Bank of the United States (ca. 1816). I’d also recommend doing a little bit more research into Jefferson and Jackson and their feelings on central banks before turning this into some sort of sinister cabal.

As the more serious posters on this board are fond of pointing out: BRING FACTS. Not some breathless tirade utterly devoid of them.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Investor: I have read the book. I’ve also read enough history, especially related to the various bank panics and runs, to realize that your rambling screed is fairly divorced from both reality and fact.

Do a little research on the Fed, with a concentration on Carter Glass and Nelson Aldrich. Read up on the Panic of 1907, and the desire to avoid similar panics through the institution of a central bank, similar to those being used by the British, French and Germans prior to WWI.

And for the record, there were central banks in the US prior to the Fed. See First Bank of the United States (ca. 1791) and Second Bank of the United States (ca. 1816). I’d also recommend doing a little bit more research into Jefferson and Jackson and their feelings on central banks before turning this into some sort of sinister cabal.

As the more serious posters on this board are fond of pointing out: BRING FACTS. Not some breathless tirade utterly devoid of them.

[investor]

Investor: I have read the book. I’ve also read enough history, especially related to the various bank panics and runs, to realize that your rambling screed is fairly divorced from both reality and fact.

Do a little research on the Fed, with a concentration on Carter Glass and Nelson Aldrich. Read up on the Panic of 1907, and the desire to avoid similar panics through the institution of a central bank, similar to those being used by the British, French and Germans prior to WWI.

And for the record, there were central banks in the US prior to the Fed. See First Bank of the United States (ca. 1791) and Second Bank of the United States (ca. 1816). I’d also recommend doing a little bit more research into Jefferson and Jackson and their feelings on central banks before turning this into some sort of sinister cabal.

As the more serious posters on this board are fond of pointing out: BRING FACTS. Not some breathless tirade utterly devoid of them.

Excellent. Now we are discussing the book rather than dismissing it outright. The facts you present I did mention some of. (I gave a web site by john lott that details the money flow. I mentioned the second central bank that Jefferson fought against. I outlined the money flow for the european bail out by the US. I get it that people will not be open to these ideas because they are not taught them in schools, but lets be accurate in our postings and less emotional.) They are directly out of the book “creature from jekyll island” so I know that you have read the book. If you still refuse to put weight on the 800 pages that are in the book, that is your right. The fact that so few people are aware of how the money flows in our system, as outlined in detail in the creature book, is my main motive for posting this thread. I feel obligated to point out to others how our money system works since it is not taught at all in schools, college or public. Once you understand how the money flows, then you might feel as I and many others (ron paul, …) do that our system unnecessarily obligates us to debt on our own money. Lets try to be less negative in our posts though. Getting personal and negative does not enhance communication.

[investor]

Investor: I have read the book. I’ve also read enough history, especially related to the various bank panics and runs, to realize that your rambling screed is fairly divorced from both reality and fact.

Do a little research on the Fed, with a concentration on Carter Glass and Nelson Aldrich. Read up on the Panic of 1907, and the desire to avoid similar panics through the institution of a central bank, similar to those being used by the British, French and Germans prior to WWI.

And for the record, there were central banks in the US prior to the Fed. See First Bank of the United States (ca. 1791) and Second Bank of the United States (ca. 1816). I’d also recommend doing a little bit more research into Jefferson and Jackson and their feelings on central banks before turning this into some sort of sinister cabal.

As the more serious posters on this board are fond of pointing out: BRING FACTS. Not some breathless tirade utterly devoid of them.

Excellent. Now we are discussing the book rather than dismissing it outright. The facts you present I did mention some of. (I gave a web site by john lott that details the money flow. I mentioned the second central bank that Jefferson fought against. I outlined the money flow for the european bail out by the US. I get it that people will not be open to these ideas because they are not taught them in schools, but lets be accurate in our postings and less emotional.) They are directly out of the book “creature from jekyll island” so I know that you have read the book. If you still refuse to put weight on the 800 pages that are in the book, that is your right. The fact that so few people are aware of how the money flows in our system, as outlined in detail in the creature book, is my main motive for posting this thread. I feel obligated to point out to others how our money system works since it is not taught at all in schools, college or public. Once you understand how the money flows, then you might feel as I and many others (ron paul, …) do that our system unnecessarily obligates us to debt on our own money. Lets try to be less negative in our posts though. Getting personal and negative does not enhance communication.

[investor]

Investor: I have read the book. I’ve also read enough history, especially related to the various bank panics and runs, to realize that your rambling screed is fairly divorced from both reality and fact.

Do a little research on the Fed, with a concentration on Carter Glass and Nelson Aldrich. Read up on the Panic of 1907, and the desire to avoid similar panics through the institution of a central bank, similar to those being used by the British, French and Germans prior to WWI.

And for the record, there were central banks in the US prior to the Fed. See First Bank of the United States (ca. 1791) and Second Bank of the United States (ca. 1816). I’d also recommend doing a little bit more research into Jefferson and Jackson and their feelings on central banks before turning this into some sort of sinister cabal.

As the more serious posters on this board are fond of pointing out: BRING FACTS. Not some breathless tirade utterly devoid of them.

Excellent. Now we are discussing the book rather than dismissing it outright. The facts you present I did mention some of. (I gave a web site by john lott that details the money flow. I mentioned the second central bank that Jefferson fought against. I outlined the money flow for the european bail out by the US. I get it that people will not be open to these ideas because they are not taught them in schools, but lets be accurate in our postings and less emotional.) They are directly out of the book “creature from jekyll island” so I know that you have read the book. If you still refuse to put weight on the 800 pages that are in the book, that is your right. The fact that so few people are aware of how the money flows in our system, as outlined in detail in the creature book, is my main motive for posting this thread. I feel obligated to point out to others how our money system works since it is not taught at all in schools, college or public. Once you understand how the money flows, then you might feel as I and many others (ron paul, …) do that our system unnecessarily obligates us to debt on our own money. Lets try to be less negative in our posts though. Getting personal and negative does not enhance communication.

[investor]

Investor: I have read the book. I’ve also read enough history, especially related to the various bank panics and runs, to realize that your rambling screed is fairly divorced from both reality and fact.

Do a little research on the Fed, with a concentration on Carter Glass and Nelson Aldrich. Read up on the Panic of 1907, and the desire to avoid similar panics through the institution of a central bank, similar to those being used by the British, French and Germans prior to WWI.

And for the record, there were central banks in the US prior to the Fed. See First Bank of the United States (ca. 1791) and Second Bank of the United States (ca. 1816). I’d also recommend doing a little bit more research into Jefferson and Jackson and their feelings on central banks before turning this into some sort of sinister cabal.

As the more serious posters on this board are fond of pointing out: BRING FACTS. Not some breathless tirade utterly devoid of them.

Excellent. Now we are discussing the book rather than dismissing it outright. The facts you present I did mention some of. (I gave a web site by john lott that details the money flow. I mentioned the second central bank that Jefferson fought against. I outlined the money flow for the european bail out by the US. I get it that people will not be open to these ideas because they are not taught them in schools, but lets be accurate in our postings and less emotional.) They are directly out of the book “creature from jekyll island” so I know that you have read the book. If you still refuse to put weight on the 800 pages that are in the book, that is your right. The fact that so few people are aware of how the money flows in our system, as outlined in detail in the creature book, is my main motive for posting this thread. I feel obligated to point out to others how our money system works since it is not taught at all in schools, college or public. Once you understand how the money flows, then you might feel as I and many others (ron paul, …) do that our system unnecessarily obligates us to debt on our own money. Lets try to be less negative in our posts though. Getting personal and negative does not enhance communication.

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