Democrats Falling Off A Cliff…

[CA renter]

Good posts, Arraya and Partypup.

I agree that the decision regarding corporate campaign contributions is the real story.

Let’s hope we remove the vast majority of our representatives (D&R) and replace them with people who will put the well-being of the U.S. and it’s citizens first. Not likely, but we can hope. It’s good to see the message is getting out there. Now, we have to worry about the same masters (corporate, MIC, financial elite, etc.) putting new puppets out there and naming them “Independents.” We have to be sure the people we vote for are really who they claim to be, IMHO.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CA renter]Good posts, Arraya and Partypup.

I agree that the decision regarding corporate campaign contributions is the real story.

Let’s hope we remove the vast majority of our representatives (D&R) and replace them with people who will put the well-being of the U.S. and it’s citizens first. Not likely, but we can hope. It’s good to see the message is getting out there. Now, we have to worry about the same masters (corporate, MIC, financial elite, etc.) putting new puppets out there and naming them “Independents.” We have to be sure the people we vote for are really who they claim to be, IMHO.[/quote]

CAR: But isn’t that our responsibility as voters? To research the candidates, do our homework and make the best decision.

I’m not claiming the SCOTUS decision is good, but I’m also not claiming its bad, either. If we’re being honest, millions upon millions of dollars are effectively “laundered” each election cycle by both Democratic and Republican candidates. Nearly $1Bn was spent on this last Presidential election and there is no way on earth that sum came solely from individual contributors.

I noticed Brian getting hysterical over on another thread (“Freedom of speech??”), but I doubt he (or anyone else here, for that matter) really researched the decision.

I spoke with a friend of mine who’s a very good attorney and who practiced in Federal court in DC for a number of years. He’s a liberal and a struct constructionist when it comes to the Constitution. His opinion was that the decision was mixed and he expressed surprise at the broad (versus narrow) interpretation of the Court. While it was an activist decision, he saw the rationale behind it, especially within the area of the First Amendment. When I pointed out the arguments about corporations freely spending and exercising undue influence, he retorted, “they already do”.

Our job as citizens is to cast an INFORMED vote. Do our research, understand the issues and the candidate(s) and vote accordingly. Once people again remember the power of that vote, things will begin to change.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CA renter]Good posts, Arraya and Partypup.

I agree that the decision regarding corporate campaign contributions is the real story.

Let’s hope we remove the vast majority of our representatives (D&R) and replace them with people who will put the well-being of the U.S. and it’s citizens first. Not likely, but we can hope. It’s good to see the message is getting out there. Now, we have to worry about the same masters (corporate, MIC, financial elite, etc.) putting new puppets out there and naming them “Independents.” We have to be sure the people we vote for are really who they claim to be, IMHO.[/quote]

CAR: But isn’t that our responsibility as voters? To research the candidates, do our homework and make the best decision.

I’m not claiming the SCOTUS decision is good, but I’m also not claiming its bad, either. If we’re being honest, millions upon millions of dollars are effectively “laundered” each election cycle by both Democratic and Republican candidates. Nearly $1Bn was spent on this last Presidential election and there is no way on earth that sum came solely from individual contributors.

I noticed Brian getting hysterical over on another thread (“Freedom of speech??”), but I doubt he (or anyone else here, for that matter) really researched the decision.

I spoke with a friend of mine who’s a very good attorney and who practiced in Federal court in DC for a number of years. He’s a liberal and a struct constructionist when it comes to the Constitution. His opinion was that the decision was mixed and he expressed surprise at the broad (versus narrow) interpretation of the Court. While it was an activist decision, he saw the rationale behind it, especially within the area of the First Amendment. When I pointed out the arguments about corporations freely spending and exercising undue influence, he retorted, “they already do”.

Our job as citizens is to cast an INFORMED vote. Do our research, understand the issues and the candidate(s) and vote accordingly. Once people again remember the power of that vote, things will begin to change.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CA renter]Good posts, Arraya and Partypup.

I agree that the decision regarding corporate campaign contributions is the real story.

Let’s hope we remove the vast majority of our representatives (D&R) and replace them with people who will put the well-being of the U.S. and it’s citizens first. Not likely, but we can hope. It’s good to see the message is getting out there. Now, we have to worry about the same masters (corporate, MIC, financial elite, etc.) putting new puppets out there and naming them “Independents.” We have to be sure the people we vote for are really who they claim to be, IMHO.[/quote]

CAR: But isn’t that our responsibility as voters? To research the candidates, do our homework and make the best decision.

I’m not claiming the SCOTUS decision is good, but I’m also not claiming its bad, either. If we’re being honest, millions upon millions of dollars are effectively “laundered” each election cycle by both Democratic and Republican candidates. Nearly $1Bn was spent on this last Presidential election and there is no way on earth that sum came solely from individual contributors.

I noticed Brian getting hysterical over on another thread (“Freedom of speech??”), but I doubt he (or anyone else here, for that matter) really researched the decision.

I spoke with a friend of mine who’s a very good attorney and who practiced in Federal court in DC for a number of years. He’s a liberal and a struct constructionist when it comes to the Constitution. His opinion was that the decision was mixed and he expressed surprise at the broad (versus narrow) interpretation of the Court. While it was an activist decision, he saw the rationale behind it, especially within the area of the First Amendment. When I pointed out the arguments about corporations freely spending and exercising undue influence, he retorted, “they already do”.

Our job as citizens is to cast an INFORMED vote. Do our research, understand the issues and the candidate(s) and vote accordingly. Once people again remember the power of that vote, things will begin to change.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CA renter]Good posts, Arraya and Partypup.

I agree that the decision regarding corporate campaign contributions is the real story.

Let’s hope we remove the vast majority of our representatives (D&R) and replace them with people who will put the well-being of the U.S. and it’s citizens first. Not likely, but we can hope. It’s good to see the message is getting out there. Now, we have to worry about the same masters (corporate, MIC, financial elite, etc.) putting new puppets out there and naming them “Independents.” We have to be sure the people we vote for are really who they claim to be, IMHO.[/quote]

CAR: But isn’t that our responsibility as voters? To research the candidates, do our homework and make the best decision.

I’m not claiming the SCOTUS decision is good, but I’m also not claiming its bad, either. If we’re being honest, millions upon millions of dollars are effectively “laundered” each election cycle by both Democratic and Republican candidates. Nearly $1Bn was spent on this last Presidential election and there is no way on earth that sum came solely from individual contributors.

I noticed Brian getting hysterical over on another thread (“Freedom of speech??”), but I doubt he (or anyone else here, for that matter) really researched the decision.

I spoke with a friend of mine who’s a very good attorney and who practiced in Federal court in DC for a number of years. He’s a liberal and a struct constructionist when it comes to the Constitution. His opinion was that the decision was mixed and he expressed surprise at the broad (versus narrow) interpretation of the Court. While it was an activist decision, he saw the rationale behind it, especially within the area of the First Amendment. When I pointed out the arguments about corporations freely spending and exercising undue influence, he retorted, “they already do”.

Our job as citizens is to cast an INFORMED vote. Do our research, understand the issues and the candidate(s) and vote accordingly. Once people again remember the power of that vote, things will begin to change.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CA renter]Good posts, Arraya and Partypup.

I agree that the decision regarding corporate campaign contributions is the real story.

Let’s hope we remove the vast majority of our representatives (D&R) and replace them with people who will put the well-being of the U.S. and it’s citizens first. Not likely, but we can hope. It’s good to see the message is getting out there. Now, we have to worry about the same masters (corporate, MIC, financial elite, etc.) putting new puppets out there and naming them “Independents.” We have to be sure the people we vote for are really who they claim to be, IMHO.[/quote]

CAR: But isn’t that our responsibility as voters? To research the candidates, do our homework and make the best decision.

I’m not claiming the SCOTUS decision is good, but I’m also not claiming its bad, either. If we’re being honest, millions upon millions of dollars are effectively “laundered” each election cycle by both Democratic and Republican candidates. Nearly $1Bn was spent on this last Presidential election and there is no way on earth that sum came solely from individual contributors.

I noticed Brian getting hysterical over on another thread (“Freedom of speech??”), but I doubt he (or anyone else here, for that matter) really researched the decision.

I spoke with a friend of mine who’s a very good attorney and who practiced in Federal court in DC for a number of years. He’s a liberal and a struct constructionist when it comes to the Constitution. His opinion was that the decision was mixed and he expressed surprise at the broad (versus narrow) interpretation of the Court. While it was an activist decision, he saw the rationale behind it, especially within the area of the First Amendment. When I pointed out the arguments about corporations freely spending and exercising undue influence, he retorted, “they already do”.

Our job as citizens is to cast an INFORMED vote. Do our research, understand the issues and the candidate(s) and vote accordingly. Once people again remember the power of that vote, things will begin to change.

[CA renter]

Allan,

Absolutely, you’re right. I’m not really referring to the people on this (and other similar) blogs/sites. Most of us are fairly well-informed voters; and while we might have different political/social opinions, we tend to know why we’re voting for someone.

The problem voters are those who rely on the MSM or key “celebrities” to do the research for them. Also, the people who vote for someone because they look like “guys you’d like to have a beer with.” IMHO, even social issues cloud the real issues we should be concerned about, namely economics and how the candidates believe money should move through our system. Again, not saying there is one right or wrong way. Just that we should know what their past decisions/behaviors might tell us about their future decisions/behaviors.

Also, let’s hope the voters are starting to get wise to what’s been going on WRT all the propaganda we’ve been exposed to. I love the internet for this very reason. To be able to come together with other interesting and informed people so we can hash out our differences and learn from one another. Best of all, we know the score, and now have the ability to hold people accountable without having to rely on the MSM.

[CA renter]

Allan,

Absolutely, you’re right. I’m not really referring to the people on this (and other similar) blogs/sites. Most of us are fairly well-informed voters; and while we might have different political/social opinions, we tend to know why we’re voting for someone.

The problem voters are those who rely on the MSM or key “celebrities” to do the research for them. Also, the people who vote for someone because they look like “guys you’d like to have a beer with.” IMHO, even social issues cloud the real issues we should be concerned about, namely economics and how the candidates believe money should move through our system. Again, not saying there is one right or wrong way. Just that we should know what their past decisions/behaviors might tell us about their future decisions/behaviors.

Also, let’s hope the voters are starting to get wise to what’s been going on WRT all the propaganda we’ve been exposed to. I love the internet for this very reason. To be able to come together with other interesting and informed people so we can hash out our differences and learn from one another. Best of all, we know the score, and now have the ability to hold people accountable without having to rely on the MSM.

[CA renter]

Allan,

Absolutely, you’re right. I’m not really referring to the people on this (and other similar) blogs/sites. Most of us are fairly well-informed voters; and while we might have different political/social opinions, we tend to know why we’re voting for someone.

The problem voters are those who rely on the MSM or key “celebrities” to do the research for them. Also, the people who vote for someone because they look like “guys you’d like to have a beer with.” IMHO, even social issues cloud the real issues we should be concerned about, namely economics and how the candidates believe money should move through our system. Again, not saying there is one right or wrong way. Just that we should know what their past decisions/behaviors might tell us about their future decisions/behaviors.

Also, let’s hope the voters are starting to get wise to what’s been going on WRT all the propaganda we’ve been exposed to. I love the internet for this very reason. To be able to come together with other interesting and informed people so we can hash out our differences and learn from one another. Best of all, we know the score, and now have the ability to hold people accountable without having to rely on the MSM.

[CA renter]

Allan,

Absolutely, you’re right. I’m not really referring to the people on this (and other similar) blogs/sites. Most of us are fairly well-informed voters; and while we might have different political/social opinions, we tend to know why we’re voting for someone.

The problem voters are those who rely on the MSM or key “celebrities” to do the research for them. Also, the people who vote for someone because they look like “guys you’d like to have a beer with.” IMHO, even social issues cloud the real issues we should be concerned about, namely economics and how the candidates believe money should move through our system. Again, not saying there is one right or wrong way. Just that we should know what their past decisions/behaviors might tell us about their future decisions/behaviors.

Also, let’s hope the voters are starting to get wise to what’s been going on WRT all the propaganda we’ve been exposed to. I love the internet for this very reason. To be able to come together with other interesting and informed people so we can hash out our differences and learn from one another. Best of all, we know the score, and now have the ability to hold people accountable without having to rely on the MSM.

[CA renter]

Allan,

Absolutely, you’re right. I’m not really referring to the people on this (and other similar) blogs/sites. Most of us are fairly well-informed voters; and while we might have different political/social opinions, we tend to know why we’re voting for someone.

The problem voters are those who rely on the MSM or key “celebrities” to do the research for them. Also, the people who vote for someone because they look like “guys you’d like to have a beer with.” IMHO, even social issues cloud the real issues we should be concerned about, namely economics and how the candidates believe money should move through our system. Again, not saying there is one right or wrong way. Just that we should know what their past decisions/behaviors might tell us about their future decisions/behaviors.

Also, let’s hope the voters are starting to get wise to what’s been going on WRT all the propaganda we’ve been exposed to. I love the internet for this very reason. To be able to come together with other interesting and informed people so we can hash out our differences and learn from one another. Best of all, we know the score, and now have the ability to hold people accountable without having to rely on the MSM.

[Zeitgeist]

Pup,

Re. health care reform, tort reform is at the top of my list. Improve the economy, cut taxes, including corporate. It is working in Germany. Really improve the economy, get rid of the IRS and make it a flat tax. Improve schools, vouchers. It is easier than you think, but there are too many parasites dependent on the existing system for any of this to ever happen. I look forward to the revolution where the entrenched crooks like Pelosi, Boxer, etc. are shown the door by the voters. I told you arrogance will do them in and so it has. Holder may be next.

P.S. Obama is going to have a break down if he does not chill out. He is sounding positively histrionic. His pathetic need to be loved and his delusion that his election was a landslide are feeding into his cognitive dissonance. The next time one of the Gitmo returnees is caught in an act of terrorism is going to ignite another voter backlash. Obama’s approval rating is now in negative territory. How low will it go? I am not sure if he is a Jimmy Carter or a Lyndon Johnson.

[Zeitgeist]

Pup,

Re. health care reform, tort reform is at the top of my list. Improve the economy, cut taxes, including corporate. It is working in Germany. Really improve the economy, get rid of the IRS and make it a flat tax. Improve schools, vouchers. It is easier than you think, but there are too many parasites dependent on the existing system for any of this to ever happen. I look forward to the revolution where the entrenched crooks like Pelosi, Boxer, etc. are shown the door by the voters. I told you arrogance will do them in and so it has. Holder may be next.

P.S. Obama is going to have a break down if he does not chill out. He is sounding positively histrionic. His pathetic need to be loved and his delusion that his election was a landslide are feeding into his cognitive dissonance. The next time one of the Gitmo returnees is caught in an act of terrorism is going to ignite another voter backlash. Obama’s approval rating is now in negative territory. How low will it go? I am not sure if he is a Jimmy Carter or a Lyndon Johnson.

[Zeitgeist]

Pup,

Re. health care reform, tort reform is at the top of my list. Improve the economy, cut taxes, including corporate. It is working in Germany. Really improve the economy, get rid of the IRS and make it a flat tax. Improve schools, vouchers. It is easier than you think, but there are too many parasites dependent on the existing system for any of this to ever happen. I look forward to the revolution where the entrenched crooks like Pelosi, Boxer, etc. are shown the door by the voters. I told you arrogance will do them in and so it has. Holder may be next.

P.S. Obama is going to have a break down if he does not chill out. He is sounding positively histrionic. His pathetic need to be loved and his delusion that his election was a landslide are feeding into his cognitive dissonance. The next time one of the Gitmo returnees is caught in an act of terrorism is going to ignite another voter backlash. Obama’s approval rating is now in negative territory. How low will it go? I am not sure if he is a Jimmy Carter or a Lyndon Johnson.

[Zeitgeist]

Pup,

Re. health care reform, tort reform is at the top of my list. Improve the economy, cut taxes, including corporate. It is working in Germany. Really improve the economy, get rid of the IRS and make it a flat tax. Improve schools, vouchers. It is easier than you think, but there are too many parasites dependent on the existing system for any of this to ever happen. I look forward to the revolution where the entrenched crooks like Pelosi, Boxer, etc. are shown the door by the voters. I told you arrogance will do them in and so it has. Holder may be next.

P.S. Obama is going to have a break down if he does not chill out. He is sounding positively histrionic. His pathetic need to be loved and his delusion that his election was a landslide are feeding into his cognitive dissonance. The next time one of the Gitmo returnees is caught in an act of terrorism is going to ignite another voter backlash. Obama’s approval rating is now in negative territory. How low will it go? I am not sure if he is a Jimmy Carter or a Lyndon Johnson.

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