Democrats Falling Off A Cliff…

[Anonymous]

Thanks Allan.

I’m happy being a lawn chair. It’s hard not to like a lawn chair.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]Thanks Allan.

I’m happy being a lawn chair. It’s hard not to like a lawn chair.[/quote]

Pri: Don’t tell me its time for the “What’s Irish and sits outside?” joke, is it?

You know: Patty O’Furniture.

Yeah, its hard not to like a lawn chair. Logs, on the other hand, not so much.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]Thanks Allan.

I’m happy being a lawn chair. It’s hard not to like a lawn chair.[/quote]

Pri: Don’t tell me its time for the “What’s Irish and sits outside?” joke, is it?

You know: Patty O’Furniture.

Yeah, its hard not to like a lawn chair. Logs, on the other hand, not so much.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]Thanks Allan.

I’m happy being a lawn chair. It’s hard not to like a lawn chair.[/quote]

Pri: Don’t tell me its time for the “What’s Irish and sits outside?” joke, is it?

You know: Patty O’Furniture.

Yeah, its hard not to like a lawn chair. Logs, on the other hand, not so much.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]Thanks Allan.

I’m happy being a lawn chair. It’s hard not to like a lawn chair.[/quote]

Pri: Don’t tell me its time for the “What’s Irish and sits outside?” joke, is it?

You know: Patty O’Furniture.

Yeah, its hard not to like a lawn chair. Logs, on the other hand, not so much.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]Thanks Allan.

I’m happy being a lawn chair. It’s hard not to like a lawn chair.[/quote]

Pri: Don’t tell me its time for the “What’s Irish and sits outside?” joke, is it?

You know: Patty O’Furniture.

Yeah, its hard not to like a lawn chair. Logs, on the other hand, not so much.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the fact remains that America is a fundamentally conservative country[/quote]

It’s hard to agree or disagree with this, because it all comes down to semantics and context.

In the context of the past 1000 years, any historian would agree that human rights, individual freedom, and democracy are by definition, liberal ideas. Conservatives believed that royalty had a divine mandate and everyone else existed to serve them. The Enlightenment, in which the Founding Fathers based their model for society, was about liberal ideas.

At the time, there is no doubt that the Founding Fathers would be called liberals — there was no ambiguity about the word.

In this context, America is a liberal country. In fact, for much of our history we were the liberal country as perceived by the rest of the world.

In modern politics, the definition of liberal and conservative have changed quite a bit. The rise of the USSR and socialism influenced the definition. In the second half of the 20th Century, liberal came to mean big-government, welfare-promoting, politically-correct, fetus killing, intellectual pansy.

But today, it’s not clear what exactly we can call liberal and what we can call conservative. Do we use the classic definition or the new one? (A bit of an ironic dilemma, no?)

It’s funny (and sad) that the word “liberal” is now used as a dirty label by so many of the same people who constantly make reference to the Founding Fathers’ ideals.

A lot of today’s political debate would be much less tedious if we could agree upon new labels for the various points of view. “Liberal” and “conservative” are just too mixed up.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the fact remains that America is a fundamentally conservative country[/quote]

It’s hard to agree or disagree with this, because it all comes down to semantics and context.

In the context of the past 1000 years, any historian would agree that human rights, individual freedom, and democracy are by definition, liberal ideas. Conservatives believed that royalty had a divine mandate and everyone else existed to serve them. The Enlightenment, in which the Founding Fathers based their model for society, was about liberal ideas.

At the time, there is no doubt that the Founding Fathers would be called liberals — there was no ambiguity about the word.

In this context, America is a liberal country. In fact, for much of our history we were the liberal country as perceived by the rest of the world.

In modern politics, the definition of liberal and conservative have changed quite a bit. The rise of the USSR and socialism influenced the definition. In the second half of the 20th Century, liberal came to mean big-government, welfare-promoting, politically-correct, fetus killing, intellectual pansy.

But today, it’s not clear what exactly we can call liberal and what we can call conservative. Do we use the classic definition or the new one? (A bit of an ironic dilemma, no?)

It’s funny (and sad) that the word “liberal” is now used as a dirty label by so many of the same people who constantly make reference to the Founding Fathers’ ideals.

A lot of today’s political debate would be much less tedious if we could agree upon new labels for the various points of view. “Liberal” and “conservative” are just too mixed up.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the fact remains that America is a fundamentally conservative country[/quote]

It’s hard to agree or disagree with this, because it all comes down to semantics and context.

In the context of the past 1000 years, any historian would agree that human rights, individual freedom, and democracy are by definition, liberal ideas. Conservatives believed that royalty had a divine mandate and everyone else existed to serve them. The Enlightenment, in which the Founding Fathers based their model for society, was about liberal ideas.

At the time, there is no doubt that the Founding Fathers would be called liberals — there was no ambiguity about the word.

In this context, America is a liberal country. In fact, for much of our history we were the liberal country as perceived by the rest of the world.

In modern politics, the definition of liberal and conservative have changed quite a bit. The rise of the USSR and socialism influenced the definition. In the second half of the 20th Century, liberal came to mean big-government, welfare-promoting, politically-correct, fetus killing, intellectual pansy.

But today, it’s not clear what exactly we can call liberal and what we can call conservative. Do we use the classic definition or the new one? (A bit of an ironic dilemma, no?)

It’s funny (and sad) that the word “liberal” is now used as a dirty label by so many of the same people who constantly make reference to the Founding Fathers’ ideals.

A lot of today’s political debate would be much less tedious if we could agree upon new labels for the various points of view. “Liberal” and “conservative” are just too mixed up.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the fact remains that America is a fundamentally conservative country[/quote]

It’s hard to agree or disagree with this, because it all comes down to semantics and context.

In the context of the past 1000 years, any historian would agree that human rights, individual freedom, and democracy are by definition, liberal ideas. Conservatives believed that royalty had a divine mandate and everyone else existed to serve them. The Enlightenment, in which the Founding Fathers based their model for society, was about liberal ideas.

At the time, there is no doubt that the Founding Fathers would be called liberals — there was no ambiguity about the word.

In this context, America is a liberal country. In fact, for much of our history we were the liberal country as perceived by the rest of the world.

In modern politics, the definition of liberal and conservative have changed quite a bit. The rise of the USSR and socialism influenced the definition. In the second half of the 20th Century, liberal came to mean big-government, welfare-promoting, politically-correct, fetus killing, intellectual pansy.

But today, it’s not clear what exactly we can call liberal and what we can call conservative. Do we use the classic definition or the new one? (A bit of an ironic dilemma, no?)

It’s funny (and sad) that the word “liberal” is now used as a dirty label by so many of the same people who constantly make reference to the Founding Fathers’ ideals.

A lot of today’s political debate would be much less tedious if we could agree upon new labels for the various points of view. “Liberal” and “conservative” are just too mixed up.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]the fact remains that America is a fundamentally conservative country[/quote]

It’s hard to agree or disagree with this, because it all comes down to semantics and context.

In the context of the past 1000 years, any historian would agree that human rights, individual freedom, and democracy are by definition, liberal ideas. Conservatives believed that royalty had a divine mandate and everyone else existed to serve them. The Enlightenment, in which the Founding Fathers based their model for society, was about liberal ideas.

At the time, there is no doubt that the Founding Fathers would be called liberals — there was no ambiguity about the word.

In this context, America is a liberal country. In fact, for much of our history we were the liberal country as perceived by the rest of the world.

In modern politics, the definition of liberal and conservative have changed quite a bit. The rise of the USSR and socialism influenced the definition. In the second half of the 20th Century, liberal came to mean big-government, welfare-promoting, politically-correct, fetus killing, intellectual pansy.

But today, it’s not clear what exactly we can call liberal and what we can call conservative. Do we use the classic definition or the new one? (A bit of an ironic dilemma, no?)

It’s funny (and sad) that the word “liberal” is now used as a dirty label by so many of the same people who constantly make reference to the Founding Fathers’ ideals.

A lot of today’s political debate would be much less tedious if we could agree upon new labels for the various points of view. “Liberal” and “conservative” are just too mixed up.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Partypup: Bingo. That was my point, exactly. Some people here read, but don’t seem to comprehend. Same difference between listening and hearing.[/quote]

There is nothing to comprehend in partypup’s long-winded rant. It’s full of rhetoric and gripes about “the system”, but there are no specific ideas.
[/quote]

I’m just curious…did you drop out of college, or did you actually waste your time and money sitting in lecture halls for four years without developing the ability to understand or to dissect an argument?

You keep asking the same obtuse questions, and yet you wonder why no one ever gives you an answer that is satisfactory to you.

It’s because you hear, but you do not listen.

Now fold yourself up and go join the other patio furniture in the backyard. Off you go, now.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Partypup: Bingo. That was my point, exactly. Some people here read, but don’t seem to comprehend. Same difference between listening and hearing.[/quote]

There is nothing to comprehend in partypup’s long-winded rant. It’s full of rhetoric and gripes about “the system”, but there are no specific ideas.
[/quote]

I’m just curious…did you drop out of college, or did you actually waste your time and money sitting in lecture halls for four years without developing the ability to understand or to dissect an argument?

You keep asking the same obtuse questions, and yet you wonder why no one ever gives you an answer that is satisfactory to you.

It’s because you hear, but you do not listen.

Now fold yourself up and go join the other patio furniture in the backyard. Off you go, now.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Partypup: Bingo. That was my point, exactly. Some people here read, but don’t seem to comprehend. Same difference between listening and hearing.[/quote]

There is nothing to comprehend in partypup’s long-winded rant. It’s full of rhetoric and gripes about “the system”, but there are no specific ideas.
[/quote]

I’m just curious…did you drop out of college, or did you actually waste your time and money sitting in lecture halls for four years without developing the ability to understand or to dissect an argument?

You keep asking the same obtuse questions, and yet you wonder why no one ever gives you an answer that is satisfactory to you.

It’s because you hear, but you do not listen.

Now fold yourself up and go join the other patio furniture in the backyard. Off you go, now.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Partypup: Bingo. That was my point, exactly. Some people here read, but don’t seem to comprehend. Same difference between listening and hearing.[/quote]

There is nothing to comprehend in partypup’s long-winded rant. It’s full of rhetoric and gripes about “the system”, but there are no specific ideas.
[/quote]

I’m just curious…did you drop out of college, or did you actually waste your time and money sitting in lecture halls for four years without developing the ability to understand or to dissect an argument?

You keep asking the same obtuse questions, and yet you wonder why no one ever gives you an answer that is satisfactory to you.

It’s because you hear, but you do not listen.

Now fold yourself up and go join the other patio furniture in the backyard. Off you go, now.

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